EPTOn February 20 2015 16:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
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yaaaay srry bbys was chatting w/my new bf <3<3 mtg now bbs~~~~ | ||
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On February 20 2015 18:17 Koshi wrote: I feel like Town!Eden would have stronger reads than this. I don't think that Town!Eden would start with saying "I could see Koshi being mafia" and then goes for all the green stuff about me. While he also pushes snickers based on everything I said. I don't see Town!Eden do that. Same thing with the LS read. I think this shows scum!Eden not knowing when he should have strong reads. This is a PM game ffs. Why is he having such weak reads? He just said LS was town after he read that entire conversation I had with LS. Now he doubts that read again? Is this town!Eden? I don't think so. ##vote: Eden not really seeing any contradictions tbh the first post was inconclusive about you b/c you hadn't done a lot (which is typically your scum behavior), but you brought up the snickers thing which I thought was good. snickers proceeded to not really try or do anything for several hours and your read made a lot more sense in light of that, so I came around to snickers mafia and you town. recently snickers has tried more so I've felt better about him, but your observation was still pretty good, so I think you're probably town, and I have better lynches like sicklucker and liancourt, so I'm not lynching you today and I'm not doubting my LS read, you're getting me wrong. I was joking about only modkilling someone who broke rules if they're mafia. could have been LS or SL or geript or anybody and I'd have said the same why don't you want to lynch sicklucker? if he's paying attention but clearly not active in the thread or side chats then he's probably mafia. sicklucker is much more active than this as town | ||
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On February 20 2015 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: But he reads me you geript town. Ve is not in towncircle by his definition. And someone is scum in the circle? He just called us all town. And apparently oats is town for calling us scum?  also this sl is pretty clearly doing yesterday's disruption work to keep the town circle from solidifying b/c once it's entrenched it's too hard to stop | ||
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 i'll be around on phone @work | ||
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On February 20 2015 18:32 Koshi wrote: I have no interest in defending ls btw, I already did that one game and he turned out to be scum. So I am going to say this once: atm I think sl is townish and I would prefer to go after somebody else. Which I will do. But I will not be vocally opposing the pressure on ls. Probably ever. ugh who else then (I am not a valid answer) | ||
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bruh i mean who else will you lynch with me i'm not lynching me with you | ||
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On February 20 2015 18:37 Koshi wrote: 1) It is not about contradictions. It is about the strenght of a read. I don't like how you start with calling me possible scum, and then type 5 different reasons why I am probably town. Especially after last game we played in which I was scum and you couldn't find 1 reason why I was town the entire game. 2) Again. It is about the strenght of your LS read. I would expect town!Eden to jokingly beg the mods to not modkill LS because he is obvious town. But you added the possibility that LS is scum instead. Because I feel like you should have LS as strong town. ok, i get it's about strength of a read. i still don't see where the issue is. i was uncertain on you in the post you highlighted where i said you were maybe mafia, b/c you hadn't done a lot, but you had done one thing i thought was good (snickers bit). the snickers thing felt more validated over time so i got okay with you being town. your comparison to horn of africa isn't valid because the scenarios are different; you might not agree with this assessment, but i felt you literally did nothing townie in HoA, so of course i found no reason to townread you. you were afk most of the time and didn't do anything to solve the game when you were around. pretty easy read. when i made that post, you were still sorta in afk/not-doing-much land, but you posted the snickers thing, which was townie. so i was uncertain, and then as the game progressed, the snickers thing turned out to be pretty valuable AND you did more (digging into kurumi, chatting with ls and the town circle on the side), so i thought you were town your second point is pretty plainly overreaching to me. i really don't know how to reply to it because i feel like it's self-evident that i wasn't actually doubting my read on ls. all i can do is insist i wasn't | ||
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lemme go over what i remember about your play this game and see if you get where i'm coming from. i felt like your posting early was ehh. you had your good point about snickers that i discussed, but you didn't do a lot else. there was the kurumi thing which was good too though. i learned after that, around the time where snickers was starting to look better (posting in irc and pushing liancourt), that you were active in a town circle with geript and rayn and all them, and at that point i was pretty sure you were town, because i didn't think you could fool them if you were in a skype chat for hours like geript said you're probably right that i was more paranoid/unsure than i should have been. i've been consciously trying to tone down the certainty with which i state my reads, because i think in horn of africa i burned a lot of credibility by being so sure all the time and changing my mind a lot. but i wasn't keeping options open about lynching you or trying to turn oats on you or anything | ||
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i still think you should lynch sicklucker. i'm not sure what it is about his list post that changed your mind, because to me it proved he's been following things but not that he's trying to solve the game (as evidenced by his lack of meaningful posts in the thread or oot communication), which i'd expect from mafia sicklucker. town sicklucker is all over the thread, digging into all kinds of leads, trying to turn up whatever he can. the leads don't even have to make sense, they just have to exist. they don't exist if you won't lynch him, my next shot would be liancourt. this one's admittedly more of a crapshoot but it's based on 2 things: - him also not doing anything substantial to solve the game in what activity i've seen from him - an incident i saw in irc (no logs, gg, but snickers will confirm) where snickers was pushing him to give suspects or show anything indicating he was solving the game. liancourt just deflected pretty much everything and called snickers scum for omgusing i'm not as confident here, because i've literally seen the second point happen to me when we were town together, but i think the two points in conjunction are good enough to lynch on. after that there's onegu, who i prodded to play. i don't actually want to lynch him but we'll have to eventually since palmar doesn't modkill inactives. there's a lot of people being townie though... i thought kurumi was town earlier, and i still do, but i'm looking to see how he deals with his geript push when he wakes up. i'll pm that thought process to you after that shrug | ||
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On February 20 2015 19:07 Oatsmaster wrote: I really don't buy that scum can't fake an extended conversation on Skype and shit though. All it takes is the right perspective. At least for one conversation early in the game. Where it is easier to differentiate is if you talk again later after 1-2 lynches and see if the conversation is still the same. i guess not? just from playing irl mafia it's hard to react in real time to questions. the buffer mafia get from non-instant forms of communication is enormous ...but i could just suck at irl mafiaside  at the very least i'd say that a good place to look is the group of people who haven't been utilizing the oot communication much. you have to filter for irl-related inactivity or other complications, but i think scum prefer not to use pm's if they can | ||
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Just looking at Koshi's 5 pts, he's misrepresenting 2 (as already thoroughly discussed). I have been scum hunting as much as I can given a busy schedule. Go look at Titanic 7, I was town and couldn't do much. It's Mardi Gras week and I work in a restaurant. And my 5 was directly addressed to him after he said he wouldn't lynch SL. He is misrepresenting that too. Koshi you have to stop tunneling me. For fucks sake one of your points was that I phrased a joke wrong/scummy. You are wrong about me and you need to step back | ||
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On February 21 2015 04:00 Koshi wrote: I am not misrepresenting point 5. You are clearly staying out of the spotlight. And it is a cold fact. You said to Oats that I was scum. And then you gave 5 reasons why I was town and why my read on snickers was good. Not deliberately staying out. I've been working my ass off irl. It was all I could do to talk to geript for as long as I did last night. I woke up late and was fucking late to work cause of this game and you wanna question my investment? Come the fuck on! I point again to the game I WAS ALSO PLAYING THIS WEEK where I WAS TOWN AND RELATIVELY INACTIVE We've gone over this point repeatedly, you're just not listening. Who else do you even have as mafia that you're so unwilling to entertain me being town? | ||
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Why'd you back off SL? | ||
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all y'all haters doubting my commitment can suck itHow is sicklucker doc tho. That's such bs | ||
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Lol I can't read Lets lynch SL guys cmon | ||
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On February 21 2015 06:42 sicklucker wrote: Eden if your town why dont you question me? Why dont we play 21 questions when you saved me from getting mislynched in that epic long game. That was really good you gave town a huge lead in that game. I don't have time to this game. Job sucks. Life sucks. | ||
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