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On February 14 2015 16:15 liancourt wrote: Loving this town atm. is this sarcasm? | ||
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On February 14 2015 22:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hi purplehaze! Long time no see. Did you roll town? no i rolled mafia so please help me with the blue hunting. On February 14 2015 16:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Policy lynch miller claims. Townies do not fear getting copped. Also blazinghand probably is mafia. for realsies? On February 14 2015 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like what i basically want to do Palmar, is to figure out blazinghand, robert, and wirh your help prplhz. If we can fiure out those players alignments on D1 the game becomes really OP for the town. why these players? | ||
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On February 15 2015 00:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 this really isn't anything | ||
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On February 15 2015 00:36 IAmRobik wrote: Spoilered is some hardcore OGI: + Show Spoiler + He basically claimed to me pregame in #tlmafia IRC that he was going to say something like this and then laugh cause no one would call him out on it. I also claimed to him that I was going to RNG him mafia and then push his fucking face until he gets modkilled. can you please not fucking do this the game is the game and outside of the game is outside of the game and you don't mix that shit up because there's no reason to do it and it cannot possibly lead to anything good i know you're just "lol" robik and blazinghand is like "i'm so good i can do what i want" but can you please not do this shit | ||
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On February 15 2015 00:43 Palmar wrote: prplhz, who do you think are the blues? Also, how do you think we should go about identifying blues? I am 100% serious here, I am going to try to figure out blue roles with you. dunno. i have maybe two slight green reads (robik, rayn) and one red read (me) but i've never been much of a blue hunter (inb4 this is a scum tell). i was hoping someone would convince me with a good case. i don't like this post at all though On February 14 2015 15:18 Fecalfeast wrote: I love how serious you are all the time lol | ||
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On February 15 2015 00:45 rsoultin wrote: hell, any read would be nice, prplhz, unless you'd like to just keep coaching people to not bring things outside the game into the thread wasn't really much of a coaching thing as an "oh my god this could easily lead to 20 pages of ban list discussion and multiple people vowing never to play on tlmafia again because of some minor incident that could just never have happened" anyway robik and bh are both too stubborn to just not do shit like that so whatevz | ||
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On February 15 2015 00:54 IAmRobik wrote: Palmar is my top town. If he's not your top town, then you're playing this game wrong could you please outline why i should think palmar is top town | ||
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On February 15 2015 01:02 Alakaslam wrote: Can people please recognize that this post is not a bad thing? Just humor me i'll play but i don't understand the rules of the chupazi game | ||
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On February 15 2015 00:45 Palmar wrote: oh wait, the blues are the mafia? how did you figure this out at this point? did you just randomly decide to read the OP right at this time? that doesn't seem like palmaresque behavior (reading the OP at any point of the game). i mean you think i'm wanting to red hunt and then you say "okay" despite how everybody knows this is pro scum (lightningstrike deftly pointed this out already). then you say "okay" but then suddenly, right there, you decide to read the OP (wtf since when does palmar read the OP) and then you realize that i actually want to blue hunt. why did you read the OP right there? | ||
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On February 15 2015 01:39 VayneAuthority wrote: if you guys wanna hear a story about me, ive never been the person to start out strong. When I played chess competitively, I was known for my late game (pawns/king) and average at early/mid game which is why I tried to trade pieces ASAP. When I do work IRL I can procrastinate forever and then get absurd amounts of work done in very short time to meet deadlines. Even video games like league of legends I only play late game characters that take time to build up. There is my story. i wonder who'll play you in the movie | ||
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On February 15 2015 08:33 Alakaslam wrote: Hyponatremia. That's what I was worried about. how long has it been going on for? | ||
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On February 15 2015 09:08 Blazinghand wrote: So, guys. It looks like nobody can agree on any sort of wagon, right? I think it's fair to say that we're in a bit of a disarray. Palmar recently was talking about the importance of sheeping as a skill. You see, with 5 votes on 5 different wagons we're in a bad place. There's no clear town consensus or counterwagon forming, and everyone is pulling every which way trying to make things happen. If like, one scum votes one way then that wagon could jump into the lead or something, and it wouldn't be clear where people stand because none of these wagons are important enough yet (another reason why Majority Lynch is better than Plurality Lynch)... but most importantly, people seem afraid to sheep. Sheeping is important! It's a vital skill. Here, Palmar from the Past will tell you: So as you can see, we have problems in this thread because our votes are all over the place. People are focussed too much on trying to look good (for example, numerous peoples' extremely wrongheaded attack on my RNG) or like, trying to hunt scum or something, when they should be focused on constructing a solid town discourse. I propose we focus this discourse around my wagon on Vayne. It's the largest wagon by a good amount, and on top of that, despite his protestations Vayne isn't contributing. Oh, he might, and if he's town I'm sure he'll pick things up, but it's not like we lose anything by lynching him, or pushing a lynch on him. Think about all the people who have come out of the woodwork to attack my case, or even worse, to ignore it utterly. What's the agenda here? Clearly scum are afraid. Afraid of the glory of RNG. Now, maybe you have your own cases, or your own ideas, and that's fine. I appreciate that. Maybe that one-vote case on rayn or whatever could be a thing. But right now, we need to focus on the task at hand, which is sheeping me and voting Vayne. It's our best chance to unify this town onto a solid goal, which is lynching according to RNG. Vote Vayne, lynch him for unity and because you understand that sheeping me is an underrated skill. any questions? i have a question are you not aware the the bullshitting phase of this game is long over? | ||
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If you have the only good case in the thread, isn't it really suspicious that people like raynpelikoneet and Palmar aren't paying much attention to it? What do you make of that? | ||
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i agree that that "guess why i think ksc is mafia"-thing is weird and that's after he went to the sauna he's uncharacteristically disappeared though that could be for other reasons. also, as much as i hate to say it, slam and bh are right, we're nowhere right now and we should consolidate. ksc had a terrible entrance to this thread and the only substantial thing he's done is this weird hard defense of rayn. bh looking good for pointing it out but very bad for sticking with this VA thing, it's getting way too old by now. | ||
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On February 16 2015 00:58 KelsierSC wrote: can you explain why it is weird to engage with someone when you are the only people two people in the thread? nothing wrong about that in itself, it's the way you did it just looks like scum thinking "i better do something, people are on my back. hey palmar is here saying something about rayn, i guess i'll say the opposite for a while and hope that's enough for everybody to leave me alone." | ||
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On February 16 2015 01:03 rsoultin wrote: Maybe I'm the only one who twitches at a post like this :/ When the same concept is repeated over and over. Then Rayn sheeping the concept and leaving out the gratuitous repetitions, which indicates to me that he noticed how unnecessary they were: I don't know. It could be just me, but the whole exchange seemed fishy and it hasn't stopped bugging me. i should have explained it thrice though because no one seems to get the point i was making. | ||
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"i think your read is good but because you expounded on it i'm going to think you're scum instead" | ||
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On February 16 2015 01:09 KelsierSC wrote: you called me scum for talking to palmar about rayn, i was explaining why I was doing that. there's a big difference between saying "i think i looked like this because of this" (scummy, focusing on how you are appearing) and saying "i was doing this to achieve this" (townie, focusing on figuring things out) | ||
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On February 16 2015 00:12 Palmar wrote: There's something wrong in a game where I'm sitting here on weekend and feeling all alone in a dead thread on day 1. It's supposed to be the other way around. other people missing me which i think looks super townie. in any case i'm really tentative about lynching palmar or rayn on d1. i want to see what happens when rayn gets back though. semi related you're also looking townie simply because the "say something clever twice and you're scum" thing you have for me is so ridiculous. | ||
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On February 16 2015 01:32 KelsierSC wrote: I put looked in speech marks because I was responding to your accusation. You should probably talk about relevant things now and answer my questions what questions | ||
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On February 16 2015 01:45 IAmRobik wrote: Hey. WHen are we lynching? at deadline | ||
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HOWEVER In that very game I remember that I said something like "raynpelikoneet can't read me for shit he always reads me scum even though I'm town" and that just ticked him off. Completely emotionally compromised and we know raynpelikoneet with the multiple 5 game bans can be hilariously emotionally compromised. That's what happened and that's why he was so stubborn that game. I'm pretty sure that while he's usually self-confident, he's nowhere near those levels of stubbornness. What's happening in this game is that raynpelikoneet saw a post that he liked and then it seems like he reconsidered a read. That's not scummy, it's scummy to keep all doors open but not to reconsider reads. pls respond | ||
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On February 16 2015 01:52 Alakaslam wrote: When is deadline? i think | ||
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oh come on robik why do you want to lynch bh? not that i disagree because the guy's been doing nothing but push this ridiculous VA lynch. | ||
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i don't think anyone has a filter shorter than your attention span but give it your best shot. | ||
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RAYN IS REALLY GOOD AT MAFIA EITHER HE WILL FIND MAFIA OR HE WILL GET SHOT IF NEITHER HAPPENS, WE CAN CONSIDER LYNCHING HIM WE'RE NOT LYNCHING HIM JUST BECAUSE HE CHANGED HIS MIND AND IS NOW AFK WRESTLING A POLAR BEAR OR WHATEVER. this is mafia 101, you don't lynch townies with a good reputation on d1. | ||
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On February 16 2015 02:54 rsoultin wrote: I don't know that Palmar never reads the OP. Does Palmar never do that? Cause seems to me if that's the case the whole thread would be voting for him already xP how can you not know that when i wrote it in my post? (and i even wrote it twice as you might have noticed) | ||
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On February 16 2015 03:44 KelsierSC wrote: I made a case on prplhz and BH in my big post that I would urge people to go and read and give their thoughts on. Especially my case on prpl. also prp my question still remains unanswered. If my thread entry was so "terrible" why did you let it slide for so long and only come at me when other people started calling me scum. i wasn't paying that much attention to you but then someone pointed it out so i went and had a look and they were absolutely right. | ||
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On February 16 2015 04:50 KelsierSC wrote: prpl can you give where you are at in the game? I don't even know what this means. ##Vote Breshke I can get with this. Reading his filter I don't think anything points at him being town or mafia. I didn't even remember he was in this game. Text book under the radar guy. This is a lot better than raynpelikoneet and VayneAuthority and what else is going around. I'm even willing to let KelsierSC go for now because he's actually around doing stuff. | ||
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Also this thread went to pieces. I can explain my Blazinghand vote though, it's pretty simple. Blazinghand did a horrible claim under hardly any pressure and I though that was scummy for a second then I realized that scum would rarely do that in face of 2-3 votes 10 hours before deadline. Scum are usually way more hesitant and he'd have the backing of his team to count on as well so no reason to panic like that. Took me a moment to realize thus vote into unvote. I'm having a hard time piecing this game together. I really thought the claim made Blazinghand town but the way he's acting now doesn't look town at all. Look at how he's saying that "nothing is confirmed" and "you can't know about Superbia" when Superbia pretty much just modconfirmed two townies. It's not that he isn't right, it's that he's pushing uncertainty in the thread. Why, when it's like 99% probable that Superbia is town, does Blazinghand want us to remember the 1% chance that he isn't? Also Blazinghand has a high opinion of himself and he wants people to do what he says. Right now he's been up for lynch but everybody stopped wanting to lynch him, he's looking townier than every, what does he use this for? He's not pushing anything other than uncertainty, why isn't he pushing VayneAuthority or whoever else he thinks is scum? It's really hard to make a scum team right now, too little fits well and the liancourt lynch didn't really give me anything. Not a bad lynch but I just hadn't really paid much attention to him and he turned out to be not only a townie but a god damn fake claiming townie. Anyway, defensive roles on townies and offensive roles on scum. We don't need any heroes just play safe. | ||
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I had real life. Seriously, why do you think I disappeared and what did you think I'd answer to that question? It's stupid shit like that question that makes it's obvious that you're tunneling, just using whatever reason you can to yell at me. Short non-committal filter. Someone mentioned the poking in to talk about rules which I agree is scummy. He seems more at ease talking about setup stuff that reads. Also, no one would vote you and as Alakaslam and Blazinghand had pointed out, we were in a bad condition with no one really gaining traction for a lynch. You're also completely right I went with it partially also to see if it would "stick", if anything would come of it. I'm really not set in stone when I vote for someone, it's a very dynamic process for me. I haven't had much time today until now, trying to catch up on the thread. | ||
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On February 17 2015 11:41 KelsierSC wrote: Why did you decide to drop me because I was doing things, when the reason you scum read me wasn't based on my activity. Things like these, jesus christ. First of all, I never said I dropped you entirely, I said I'd give you some pause because you were actually playing. Anyway, if I think you're scummy because of your entrance into the thread, does that mean I can never stop thinking that because you can never change your entrance? No, your entrance can be scummy and you can be town which would then show later. Your entrance was scummy, I still think that. I think that your sheer bullheaded activity makes other people better lynches for now. Do you mean to say that because I think something you do is scummy, I can never think something you do is townie? Because that's complete nonsense. I also did complain about your activity anyway. | ||
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On February 17 2015 08:37 KelsierSC wrote: [...] Its been two hours since his thread exploded post but still.no insight. He has to.be scum Like this. I haven't been around for a while so I'm obviously not up to date on the thread. I make a comment on how the thread fucking exploded and gained like 50 pages. Then you complain that I'm not instantly up to date and posting and how it has to make me scum. That's completely ridiculous. | ||
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On February 17 2015 11:59 Blazinghand wrote: I don't actually think VA is scum but we should probably still lynch him btw On February 17 2015 11:59 prplhz wrote: I need to think about why all the veterans are acting like idiots. Maybe this is somehow an idiocy inducing game. case in point | ||
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I think it's extremely weird that raynpelikoneet and Palmar didn't figure something out yet. They're just dancing around each other afraid to do anything. I haven't played with either of them for a while but I'll tell you how it was last time I played with them: they'd try to figure each other out and then they'd either agree that they were town and try to figure out the game or they'd not be able to agree that they were town and they'd start fighting, intensely. In this game? They're just dancing around each other afraid to cooperate and afraid to call each other scum. Sure there have been some pokes at each other but none of the major clashing I would expect. The way it used to be was that if they couldn't agree, the thread would literally be about nothing other than who of them was scum but that's not how it is at all. IAmRobik is kind of playing like he usually does and I gave him a townread for it in the beginning but I recall him doing insane shit around lynch deadline. Over the top "i told you he was scum" when I really don't see why he'd be so self confident. I know he's self confident but the massive all caps posts just seemed over the top for me, like he was trying to show his confidence instead of just being it. I really need someone I can call town to sheep because this game is making no sense to me. | ||
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On February 17 2015 12:10 KelsierSC wrote: But carry on Hold your breath, I'm going to bed. | ||
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On February 17 2015 12:16 Blazinghand wrote: The meta read is that VA is useless as town. I'm not familiar with it or don't remember it, but I don't see why he couldn't also, uh, pretend to be useless as scum. That being said there's some claim that he improves over time so he's probably not an amazing lynch for tomorrow. Also someone was complaining that I was injecting uncertainty about suberbia. You know what dude, I am factually correct. I've hosted a game where everyone thought a dude was "mod confirmed" when he actually wasn't, and that dude was scum. So you know what? You have no standing to talk about whether it's inappropriate to point out that superbia being scum would make this game "invalid". What would make this game invalid would be if half-animate semi-sentient subhumans like you were in charge instead of people like me who can accurately identify that someone isn't mod-confirmed. Don't give me crap for spitting truth. but it's stupid of you to push the idea that he's not town when he's extremely likely to be town. | ||
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On February 19 2015 01:40 Blazinghand wrote: The fact that Palmar Rayn and I are getting along so poorly means either we're COLLECTIVELY in an awful mood or there is scum amongst us. Rayn. What do you think Sounds familiar. As in I already pointed it out twice. Left you out though for some reason. Dunno what that could be? | ||
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or maybe i am mixing games up *shuts up and listens to the story* | ||
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i'll look into a few things now. | ||
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B) yes lets lynch the people who thought rayn was town then scum, no wait that's everybody in this entire game. C) no pointless questions. please provide one single example of this and i will lie down and get lynched. D) no idea what you're trying to say. E) okay i remind you of someone, whatever. i'm usually lazy like this and hope someone else will explain things so i don't have to. F) well that's just how i play. some people like text walls but i don't, i look for single things that make me think people are scum because even scum are usually only scummy in a few posts. | ||
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On February 22 2015 12:52 LightningStrike wrote: as you failed i will not be lying down. | ||
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FF palmar rito rso yes i know there's one too many | ||
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palmar is still alive and lynching me when he knows me the best and should definitely know i'm town rito and rso are kind of the same, both post a lot without saying anything. | ||
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i remembered he said something clever at some point dunno who the hell can read slam, but i can't put five people in my list and these people are clearly worse. | ||
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On February 22 2015 13:13 Half the Sky wrote: Seriously? They probably have the most amount of substance to their posts, although I've thought Ritoky's posts was quite misleading personally, but the point is, both have been pretty clear on their conclusions, thought processes, etc. i just can't remember a single post any of them made, doesn't matter how many they wrote or how well written they were, neither did at any point make a serious push or a sharp observation or whatever. | ||
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On February 22 2015 13:14 Fecalfeast wrote: Lol prpl if you think I'm scum you're useless to Town anyway ahahah look at him, he knows i'm town at LYLO he is saying "if you think i am scum then you should get lynched no matter your alignment" lynch this guy now | ||
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On February 22 2015 13:18 rsoultin wrote: -snorts- Have you even read the thread? Kind of hard to remember what you haven't read, Mr. so far behind. i'm up to date now kind of | ||
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"lead this town any more" did you lead this town to anything yet? two days unsuccesfully crusading for VA, now LS, nothing happening. | ||
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On February 22 2015 13:57 Half the Sky wrote: Yea I was confused with the rules D1 - I asked and he said plurality. sure? the OP says majority | ||
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also super be sure to put your thoughts in the thread before deadline | ||
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Anyway, I'd like to request a warning for rsoultin for PMing LightningStrike about the game while it was still going on. I understand where it's coming from but you shouldn't do that, it's against the rules for a reason. At the same time a warning to LightningStrike for talking about it in the thread, PM a mod and keep it out of the thread. A ban is way too much but I don't think things like that should happen and a warning is a signal to everybody that it's not allowed or tolerated. Dunno how this warning/ban list thing works, if host/cohosts have to push everything for their own games or if I should just go to the ban list thread with my complaint. | ||
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On February 26 2015 05:45 LightningStrike wrote: Ya I do deserve a warning or a ban for my reaction to it >.< I'm pretty sure you're the only one on this forum who thinks you deserve a ban for it. I just think a warning is in order to clarify the rules so it doesn't happen again (not necessarily with you, with anybody). | ||
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On February 26 2015 06:46 marvellosity wrote: also as one of the hosts I see no reason to ask for a warning for either rsoultin or LS. rsoultin realised her mistake as soon as she sent the PM, so she won't do it again and a warning achieves nothing. LS is just a victim of straightforward honesty and naivety, and I explained how to deal with these situations in the future so now he knows, so again a warning achieves nothing. Well, my point with warnings isn't to teach rsoultin or LightningStrike a lesson. It's to clarify what's allowed and what's not allowed. Other people might go and do the exact same thing if there's no clarifications about it. Other people might do it anyway but I think it's less likely. I don't know if warnings have consequences for the people getting them? That's not what I'm after, I just think it should be clarified somewhere (the ban list being an appropriate place to talk about rules) that people should not do these things. Doesn't even matter if LightningStrike is a "victim [...] of honest and na[ï]vety" (wut), those people have to follow the rules too and maybe some other person like that doesn't realize the mistake he is making before it's too late. Do I think the PM had any effect on the game at all? No. Even if I think there's no way in a million years LightningStrike could have made that comment as scum and thus it sort of confirmed him as town (as if he wasn't already townie enough!) it didn't have an impact on the game. Does that excuse it? No. I don't see no reason not to warn when it's against the rules and it was done anyway. In my opinion it just deserves a mention in the ban list thread and no actual consequences for anyone. I guess I'll just make a post about it myself then. | ||
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On February 26 2015 07:26 rsoultin wrote: @prplhz just post it in the thread already? I think the convo has been exhausted here, and neither LS nor myself have any problem with being warned, so I'm not sure what the issue is does anybody know what this post is about? | ||
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On February 26 2015 07:34 rsoultin wrote: you've been talking about posting in the ban thread xP if you're gonna do it just do it? xD | ||
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you say the problem was that LS talked about it in the game but that's not all that happened, LS said his game was influenced by what you PMd him. probably only slightly and it didn't effect the game but it happened. also, you cannot predict what will happen. you didn't predict LS was gonna post about it in the thread and you didn't predict he was going to change how he played. i'm sure if you had predicted any of that that you wouldn't have PMd him (but what do i know). there are a ton of other things you cannot predict. so just don't do it, wait until after the game is over and then PM all you want. also what holyflare is saying is "i'm a big boy i can do what i want catch me if you can" | ||
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whatever, bending the rules is a slippery slope and shit like this will continue to happen if people don't care. didn't matter much this game but it has mattered much in many games. | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:10 LightningStrike wrote: I'm a noob when it comes to first hand experience like that sorry guys >.< really, no one in this forum is blaming you for anything at all | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:09 marvellosity wrote: yeah i actually had to replace out of a game quite recently because someone slipped their alignment to me ^^ generally common sense should prevail though i just don't trust common sense enough because things like these happen all the time i haven't the faintest clue why people can't just wait until after the game to talk about the game but apparently that's just how it is | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote: You're clearly not reading what I'm saying when I just said: 1)Now I understand when he mentioned it in-game and 2)I'll keep all communication to topics that don't involve on-going games Cause dude, if you're saying you don't communicate with anyone who is currently in an on-going game with you, you're flat-out lying Of course I didn't think it would effect LS' game. I adore LS; not trying to throw him off or any weird psyche out shit lol no i must have misread you sorry about that | ||
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