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##vote: VA I agree that rayn looks scummy. Did not appreciate all the mafia/sk claims he was doing last night either -_- | ||
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On February 18 2015 08:42 Blazinghand wrote: Oh come ON. He's not trying to catch scum! He doesn't have a real case and he's voting me but he clearly doesn't care about lynching me because he's not hanging out and pushing me. Look, if VA REALLY thought he had a solid meta read on me, why isn't he like, making quotes and writing a case and shit? If this is REaLLY my town meta, why doesn't he just bust out a quick comparison adn be like "look guys, look at these posts, they're teh same. And here he is when he's town, its' totally different". When people ignore him or disagree with him, why isn't there followup? Why is he posting pictures of luigi instead of sayign "look, guys, here's the evidence, here's the reasoning behind my mindset?" The dude claims to have a super solid scumread on me, and town thinks I'm almost mod-confirmed. if I had a scumread, a super solid scumread on someone who town thought was modconfirmed, I'd be LITERALLY figuratively shitting myself getting all up in peopel's business to prove them WRONG. There's no follow up because he doesn't care. He just wants to park his vote somewhere useless and look like "useless town VA" who would never be shot and live until lylo and FUCK us. Well I'm not gonna get FUCKEd. You've more than demonstrated that's how you would play, yes. I said I'd vote with you if you talked to me about anyone but VA, and I am, but I think I need to look through his games again and see if he ever gets fired up as town. | ||
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On February 18 2015 08:42 LightningStrike wrote: Also rsoultin sheep me on HTS's case on FF please baby girl? I was earlier, but honestly, I like his response on my JKs question, which was the main part that was bugging me lol. HtS' point on him isn't bad? But it's FF xP I always want to lynch him, even when he has a green check, and there were a couple things he said early game that I thought were townie. | ||
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On February 18 2015 08:45 IAmRobik wrote: was I wrong? Are you mafia? I'm sorry Eden! You know that the only reason TP was scumreading me was I defied him, right? xP He thought he was obv town. If anyone can show me how the hell Eden was obv town at all this game, I'll buy you a present. | ||
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On February 18 2015 08:48 LightningStrike wrote: Common you know you want to sheep me more than RNG lynches by BH  Convince me he's scum, LS xP | ||
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On February 18 2015 08:47 Blazinghand wrote: HE wouldn't even have to get mad or angry or anything to be legit, but like. Look at it from VA the town player's point of view. You have one, and only one, solid scumread, and EVERYONE thinks he's basically modconfirmed town. Would you really... not say anything about that? Just drop a one-liner saying "yeah I don't think he's really mod confirmed, the fluff isn't legit" and stop there? Like, this isn't a normal scumread, he seems convinced AND he's the ONLY person who seems convinced. If he were town, like... where's the case? Where's the effort? Even a teensy tiny little follow-up. A call-out. Asking people to review his case or his ideas. Anything. This all makes perfect sense, BH, and yet everyone keeps clearing/ignoring him based on meta and I want to understand why. | ||
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So, here's the thing. This FF wagon got started way too easy, imo. It's mostly based on inconsistent reads, which were fairly easily explained by FF, and OMGUS? I mean, half the player base has scumread HtS and/or LS, so unless FF really has had a ton of exposure to LS I don't think that argument holds. Even HtS wasn't sure about LS until recently, and she should be more sure than most. Like, FF's martyring and was scumreading me for martyring xP Don't think I miss the hypocrisy in that. But his explanation as to why he thought there would be a third JK claim rings true, as well as reading BH town now since so much time has passed without a CC. (That bit bugged me more than anything. Maybe I just focus on the wrong things, lol) There are also a few posts of his that show me he's really thinking about the game: + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2015 10:41 Fecalfeast wrote: Except you opened with your rayn read then moved on to talk about BH RNG shit and didn't say anything about rayn until he called you out.. You could have talked about it before you were asked directly On February 16 2015 10:23 Fecalfeast wrote: I like bh's explanation of the claims but i can also see eden getting super amped about counterclaiming and not thinking it through before posting. On February 16 2015 13:45 Fecalfeast wrote: which is weird because earlier he asked about eden. maybe I'm misinterpreting this but I usually like to ask people about people I'm scumleaning or undecided on. Why would he side with his undecided/unsure read when he already called BH town? Plus 10 pages of filter. I mean, this is FF, lol. Maybe he's been better lately, but 10 pages of filter before N2 is like break out the champagne and celebrate considering the other games I've seen him in ^^ Don't really see him doing this as scum, but maybe y'all know him better than I do. | ||
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On February 18 2015 11:49 Fecalfeast wrote: finally someone looked at me logically instead of just blindly sheeping HtS' cases! OK I'm done being a baby, then. ##unvote I actually thought about it after and realized that I would be mad scumreading myself for martyring anyway. Don't think the irony is lost on me either, rso Meh, I understand the temptation, and we've had similar reads most of the game, though I wish I could remember which post it was that had me thinking you were probably town. Oh, the miller one I think, lol. | ||
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On February 18 2015 11:51 Damdred wrote: So do you really think that this is town FF? Do you think he is onto something with HTS being scum maybe? Where does this make you think about going next? I do. We were on the same page a lot most of the game, which also happened in Carol when we were both town. Her early game was terrible. I think she really believes her FF case, though, and having played scum for the first time on a real site last game...the only reason for her to be that adamant as scum would be if they're both scum, so I'm thinking they're likely town and most of this day has just been a waste -_- BH is making a lot of sense about VA, and I've felt rayn was off for awhile now. Probably one of those two. Have you had a chance to really look at them yet? | ||
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On February 18 2015 12:05 Fecalfeast wrote: rso i'll take your word on hts then. lol, I thought you were scumreading me, FF? why take the word of your scumread on another scumread? | ||
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On February 18 2015 17:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: I know. But i don't have more time i do. rsoultin also looks bad for her post on wanting to push two townies and ignoring the case on ff -- wgo, by her own definition se always wants to lynch. Even when ff is town. Now suddenly she townreads him? How is that possible? I love how you can only half-read, rayn. I was voting for FF originally after reading HtS' case and doing my own filter-dive, and part of my reluctance is he always looks kinda scummy to me. 10 pages of filter, though. and lol @ you and VA being town. Even if you were town, how could you possibly know that VA was town, with that shit filter of his? Like, your biggest argument is he has a random lynch target he's not pushing? If there's a reason I should think that makes him town, please enlighten me, cause we look at that and come to opposite conclusions. | ||
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On February 18 2015 21:53 LightningStrike wrote: Tbh the last time I played with VA he rq'd as town at Day 1 when we were lynching him so I still kind of feeling bad for the guy for lynching him on Day 1 of that game (NYE Party). Was he playing just like this, LS? Like he couldn't be bothered to give a shit even though he apparently had a strong scumread? | ||
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On February 18 2015 22:04 LightningStrike wrote: Well it was Day 1 and he didn't give shit and he didn't even have a scum read in that game at all on Day 1 and he didn't even vote in that game LOL. Lol, sounds like you guys didn't have a terrible reason to lynch him, even if you were wrong. Well, maybe someone can tell me what makes VA so townie this game, cause I'm not seeing it, and I really don't think FF is scum. | ||
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On February 18 2015 23:00 Half the Sky wrote: I also see BH finally has something other than RNG in making an actual scum argument against VA, so I'm going to check that out as well as a game in which VA actually was scum. He has thrown out nonsensical BS before as town so if I can highlight the key differences in a scum VA game this could go a long way. Also Rasputin, I conceded that LS was town way earlier than you are stating in your post. That was pretty darn early in the day I questioned LS on the Robik read, and LS maintains he's had the adequate exposure to FF though it might help if you LS, could give a specific rundown of the games. I know one of them was Carol which was a clusterfuck for all of us going into our first large normal and evaluating gameplay, but highlighting the mini normals should help. Still that wasn't even my biggest issue with him. Is your biggest issue still that he had a different opinion on your case? Cause I thought his explanation for that was fine. I get different opinions on things when I reread all the time lol | ||
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On February 18 2015 22:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Basically va needs a mafia flip to play. He doesn't give any fucks about the game until then. That may be true. Meh. So you don't think he's town; you just know he can't be read until there's a mafia flip? Do you mind actually naming a game he's been in that demonstrates this? Otherwise it's going to have to wait until I get home from work, cause I don't have the time to dig it up right now. | ||
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On February 18 2015 23:09 Half the Sky wrote: One of the two quotes you took I had the complete opposite opinion on when he was evaluating LS. LS stated a reason for his change in vote to BH and that was the counterclaim, which FF tried to scumread him for having a sudden change of opinion even though that opinion was substantiated by what I think is a critical event - a counterclaim. Also consider that LS (as I recall) commented on how long in advance of EoD BH claimed. Neither of us know BH's meta, so that comment is completely justified on his end to come to that conclusion for the voteswitch. I could highlight FF's thoughts on LS as a shit read if that quote was taken by itself but he had compiled multiple ideas/quotes on LS, so it obviously wasn't isolated. HtS, the read wasn't about a read flip, it was about FF's impression that LS was scumreading Eden at one point because he'd asked me what I thought of Eden. Which is not a crazy logic train (though faulty cause I'll ask people I'm reading any which way for reads on others who again I'm reading any which way to figure out what they're thinking). Still, I'm not seeing the scum in that thought process. | ||
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