VII Titanic Mini Mafia: I Have a Cunning Plan... - Page 7

On December 10 2014 06:22 ritoky wrote:
##vote: fecalfeast

I already made a case on him earlier. He word for word sheeped large portions of my read on LS and then tried to dumb tell and say he didn't read my post; even though his previous post was about 3 posts before mine and his read post was about 3 posts after mine. I then subsequently asked him for his read on me since he sheeped me so hard; he claimed null, which to me makes no sense. If you're gonna sheep someone's read that intensely as town, you should at least have a leaning town read on them. He is not coming from a town perspective. He then comes back to the thread and says these:





Whining and excuses, coupled with 0 development in his LS read. Mine developed and changed when over half the content since I went to sleep was about LS, why didn't his develop? Probably cuz he doesn't give 2 shits about the read and just tried to sheep me.

Also his read on kita is bullcrap and he hasn't done anything with it.





Kita voted and said 27nb was scum 4 hrs into the game so pass for the day? Like wait woah hey what the flying fuck is that? He should die.

also koshi joins alakaslam as town.

On December 10 2014 08:30 ritoky wrote:


Well no1 else seems to see what I see in ff, like you're not even responding to his reads post, which is all kindsa messed up and worthless.



Let's really look into this: he gave us his updated reads and all of them are null except 1, which is town. now break them down individually:

rsoultin - i don't even know where he draws this line of thought from. the actual content of the read isn't awful until you get to the end where he makes this giant unflipped association with no real substance behind it...like i don't even know? either pushing scum or tmi or something. there's just something funky smelling. also that bit at the end seems to indicate that he now thinks LS is town or knows LS is town, when his last post about LS was that he thought LS was mafia.

froggy - why is this read even here, it does nothing

obi - read is okay enough, would prefer example but i got no probs with it

batsnacks - again why is this read even here. you find it strange, well that's cool; tell me what strange means to you. i find strange on day 1 to mean mafia. seems like he really doesn't want to commit.

ritoky - trying to stir the pot

lonemeow - this is the most bizarre read to me even though it is the most committed. like why do you have this read on LM yet not the EXACT SAME READ on koshi or vivax or people like that? they are also high content, low post count people. they are asking questions and giving reads, why are you not applying your standards to them as well?

tube - epitome of his stances thus far: "i am not sure how i feel" he seems to be trying to ride the middle way too hard and is non-committal as all hell, his LS read is off in the middle of nowhere all the sudden even though it is apparently integral to his rasputin read.

i just can't see this guy acting from a town perspective, and not a single person has told me why he is yet, even though i have been asking non-stop.

On January 02 2015 16:34 ritoky wrote:
so we're lynching sicklucker like...immediately and unanimously at the start of next phase right?

spends most of phase talking about why geript is mafia, randomly shennanie hammers a town for no stated reason coming off of the guy he hast stated is role hunting and mafia....guy was mafia last phase, still mafia this phase. needs to die immediately. like 0 questions asked.

On January 06 2015 20:00 ritoky wrote:
Sicklucker's cop claim is a pile of shit. I mean it is really steamy. Like he "blatantly" softs a green check on LM; 3 people ask him about his read on LM, he responds to none of them. 2 of the 3 keep pushing on him for his read even though he blatantly refuses to respond and so he scum reads them for it. What the hell is that crap? You're scum reading people for asking you for a reason? AND calling them bad? W/e move on.

He has scum read superbia and ksc for pushing for a reason for his read on a "blatant" soft that literally 0 people picked up on. But then he changes his story entirely claiming to have a green on damdred now instead; which first and foremost is a load of crap, however when he changes his story for who his green check is on, he doesn't change his reads. He continues reading superbia and ksc scum for pushing for a reason on a FAKE check that he has admitted to lying about; and keeps that as a base presmise of his read.

Then to put the cherry on top he lumps me in with ksc and superbia claiming that I joined in on the pressuring of the cop. Only to rescind the claim entirely because it is the biggest crap claim since my fake cop claim with a green check (going to talk about that next); yet after that he doesn't rescind or modify his scum reads at all even though they are predicated on him lying to people, them noticing the lie and pointing it out/seeking justification.



I would like to remind you that I did not post between when you claimed cop and when I voted, yet here he is lumping me in and placing blame. You want to scum read me for being disengaged from the game? That's fine (WIFOM: I post more and am more engaged as mafia, look it up). But to accuse me of this stupid shit is just a lie. It is just setting me up as ML bait.

Now as I mentioned before, his claim is the worst since I bungled the crap out of a fake cop claim about 5 months ago? Not exactly sure, been sifting through my games trying to find the posts so I can quote them, no luck so far. If I find them I will quote them. The point is, I did something VERY similar to what SL did in terms of cop claim, where I faked a check, changed my story, and in night phase I rescinded my claim. It was met with such utter hostility and regarded as the worst play people had ever seen both during and after the game. One person in particular was championing that: Robik. He was mafia in the game, so his in game comments are negligible but he spent 2 solid pages after the game railing into me about how it was the worst play ever and he would lynch the living hell out of anyone who did that stupid crap as either alignment. In this game? He seems to have simply accepted it with 0 qualms. Robik could very well be mafia here.

On February 20 2015 06:53 LightningStrike wrote:

Fine show me your town games and I will take a look at them.

On February 20 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:

Only saw your Mafia games but never your town games and the database isn't up ti date yet.

On February 20 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:

Only saw your Mafia games but never your town games and the database isn't up ti date yet.

On February 20 2015 07:13 LightningStrike wrote:

I only invalidated it through POE but that was main source you getting being Antitown (SK or Mafia) and also HTS told me pretty much that you started to tunnel her but you didn't seen as agressive you were towards Me or Dr.H in the 2 previous games you were Mafia so you might as well show me your knife.

On February 20 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:

I just checked your filter and you weren't super tunneled this game on HTS but you were on me. Here are the posts you had on you scumreading me:










There you go you welcome.

On February 20 2015 07:13 LightningStrike wrote:

I only invalidated it through POE but that was main source you getting being Antitown (SK or Mafia) and also HTS told me pretty much that you started to tunnel her but you didn't seen as agressive you were towards Me or Dr.H in the 2 previous games you were Mafia so you might as well show me your knife.

On February 17 2015 06:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Also I think ritoky is town this game since he not fighting anyone at all like he did in his two games when I saw him play as Mafia.

On February 20 2015 10:05 IAmRobik wrote:

WHY THE FUCK WOULD HTS NEED TO BE LYNCHED?!?!?

On February 20 2015 10:18 LightningStrike wrote:

Found it and it was me talking to HTS and which HTS responded to me that's why it might not be in my filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?page=16#309

On February 20 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:

Crap wrong post. Here it is: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?page=89#1762

On February 20 2015 09:30 Blazinghand wrote:
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So basically, there's only one time in the ENTIRE thread where HtS replies to lightningstrike about ritoky, and that's this:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23771576 talks about ritoky passivity as town vs scum, and his engagmeent with scumreads, with lightningstrike, sepcifically asking about meta

and it does not line up because there's no mention DrH or the fact that ritoky is less aggressive. She's asking questions:




I think this is a fine reason to lynch both LS and HtS

On February 20 2015 09:42 ritoky wrote:


What's even worse is here is LS town reading me early in the game for my meta of not tunneling and fighting, which he has now flipped to scum read me for what reason exactly?

Thank you for this find BH, I only read the HtS portion of this interaction.

On February 20 2015 10:27 LightningStrike wrote:

I ninja'd you the post above yous

On February 19 2015 08:31 ritoky wrote:
examining current vote count, if there's been changed votes since this, I am too tired atm to fix shit.






so the first thing I would like to draw your attention to is the vote on lian. by my metrics of numbers in my head and just game statistics, there is almost certainly to be at least 1 mafia on that wagon and likely 2. so I want to start narrowing it down a bit. superbia is town until proven otherwise because of a veteran claim, I am town because duh. I have a town lean on robik (less than yesterday but not gone yet). so we strike them off of here for the time being. that leaves 5: BH, LS, damdred, rsoul, and FF.

let's ignore FF for now because he is an outlier. if you look at the votes so far today, they have paired off. BH and rsoul are on VA and damdred and LS are on rayn. I would not be surprised if these pairs were aligned, which makes the vote on rayn super interesting to me, being that BH is a possible if not likely JK who is claimed for quite a while; so I would be more inclined to believe at this point that the rsoul + BH pair is less likely mafia than the LS + damdred pairing.

the weird thing though is independent of this vote analysis I think damdred is probably town though, but I really didn't like breshke when breshke was playing, so it could just be a good player fooling me.

anyway back to FF, the issue I am having with FF this game is that I have seen invested screaming FF town and invested screaming FF mafia, but never uninvested FF for as long as he was this game. he is just playing completely different than I have seen before, hence why I am more inclined toward him being sk.

On February 20 2015 13:26 Half the Sky wrote:
Several. Regarding the read on LS, as Rasputin said, LS really is the low-hanging fruit, easy to mislynch, just because he's not the most persuasive person in the world. Had similar problems in Carol, and a scum Ritoky seized upon my early incoherence in that game.

Regarding earlier reasons, I already justified my reasons for voteswitches for Ritoky. First off, he accuses me of copying his read on Fecalfeast at the beginning regarding his comfort level. Yet he never went after liancourt who did the EXACT SAME THING after I did and he flipped town. Selective reading on that end.

I also argued earlier this game that Ritoky isolated a post and took it out of context when I switched voting onto Blazinghand earlier D1.



What Ritoky did in his scumread on me was isolate a SINGLE post without considering what I did before and after the post he chose to present in his case. I made my case that a JK claim 10h prior to lynch was not credible, which represents followthrough. He also makes a lot of leaps in logic, particularly with when I discussed the hypothical SK strategy, which YOU ACTUALLY QUESTIONED why Ritoky was pinging me when others made their own theories.

Those are just a few examples, but his leaps in logic have been problematic all game.

On February 18 2015 08:02 ritoky wrote:
I am really having trouble not scum reading this chica, pls someone halp me.



your scum reads have literally not developed in the slightest. check here:



then there's the whole part where you pulled your vote off rayn for a bad reason after focusing on him so much.

then there's the part where you plagiarized large parts of my read on ff then scum read me in the next breath.

then there's the part where you had a TMI post about the night kills.

then there's the part where your read on me is terrible.

then there's the part where you constantly state going to bed/etc for reasons for not being here

then there's the part where I criticize you for lacking conviction and now you're overcompensating.

I weigh all of that against you sharing similar reads to me and the amount of work put into the ff stuff and I arrive at WARRRRGHARBBBLE land.

On February 20 2015 16:23 Fecalfeast wrote:
Hi ritoky why didn't bh die you think?

On February 20 2015 17:06 Alakaslam wrote:
Verily. Anyway, ritoky what do you think of the venerable alakaslam? Truly I must seek out the position of my chupazic endeavors. Only the replies of others can assist me in this, so

Whatever main point, what do you think of me ritoky.

Now & again I will do this sort of stuff.