Rayn, basically the people that would appear to know LS better are townreading him based on meta. He's not particularly coherent and he's been like this as town.

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Germany9029 Posts

February 17 2015 00:47 GMT

#1907

Kelsier I took a look at prplhz. I definitely see what you mean by lack of direction in his filter. I've never played with him before, so I'm not sure how he normally plays. His votes on D1 seemed to largely come out of nowhere, and I couldn't tell he was sheeping any of his town reads if he was.

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Germany9029 Posts

February 17 2015 00:53 GMT

#1913

On February 17 2015 09:51 rsoultin wrote:
Does anyone have a good read on slam? I correctly townread him the last couple games I was playing with him, but I'm having trouble this time.

I've never played a game with him when he's scum. From what Koshi said in an obs QT, he knows how to survive but he won't particularly drive the mafia agenda.

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Germany9029 Posts

February 17 2015 00:53 GMT

#1914

EBWOP - ....he won't particularly drive the mafia agenda if he is mafia.

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February 17 2015 00:55 GMT

#1917

The thing I'm not sure on Slam (whom I have as null) is how much more or less he talks depending on his alignment. I know in Void, Koshi was trying to question him in such a way that if he tried to demonstrate some sort of either urgency he might have been able to figure him out, but Slam was town in that game. In any case, that method could be a way of cracking Slam given how good of a town player Koshi is. Let me see if I can find the page in question....

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Germany9029 Posts

February 17 2015 00:56 GMT

#1919

On February 17 2015 09:55 LightningStrike wrote:

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Bullshit you did in Student IV I happened play with him when he was Mafia twice (Student IV and Slytherin)

Bah, I forgot that but that was because he replaced out N1. He didn't do jack all and was replaced by Hopeless.

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Germany9029 Posts

February 17 2015 00:58 GMT

#1923

On February 17 2015 09:57 Town Puppy wrote:
mafia is everybody i forgot about the 1st time

lynch out of prplhz, breshke, vayne, breshke, fecalfeast

Did you mean to have someone in there other than Breshke twice?

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Germany9029 Posts

February 17 2015 01:01 GMT

#1925

On February 17 2015 09:51 rsoultin wrote:
Does anyone have a good read on slam? I correctly townread him the last couple games I was playing with him, but I'm having trouble this time.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475749-the-void-mafia?user=Koshi&view=all

On January 21 2015 07:46 Koshi wrote:

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1) You are making yourself readable.
2) You trow around your opinion even if it isn't fully formed yet.
3) You actually care that I voted you and trow pressure on me for it.

This makes you dangerous. Because I don't see overflowing townieness in your filter. Just a "I will probably not lynch this guy" level of usefulness. Which is odd coming from the Chupazi.

On January 21 2015 19:17 Koshi wrote:

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hot and bothered. I say these things to catch some attention.

"I don't see anything scummy" is a good defense of somebody with a 6-7 page filter after 24 hours. But 3? And is he bleeding town? I don't see it.

Let's not let the Chupazi do w.e he pleases. Because he is afraid to die this game. And when the Chupazi is afraid to die, he is scum.

At least. That's how it used to be.

Chupazi reading goes like this:
1) Does he makes himself readable. If No, ignore the Chupazi. If yes, go to step 2.
2) Does his filter make him confirmed town because it is filled with happy eagerness. If yes, ignore the Chupazi. If No, go to step 3.
3) Does the Chupazi want to die when pressured to advance town forward. If yes, ignore the Chupazi. If No, FUCKING CONSIDER THE CHUPAZI TO BE SCUM.

So I consider the Chupazi to be scum. The Chupazi got thread sentiment going in his favor. It's odd. But maybe he is town. Who knows. Just don't tell me he can't be lynched D1 because you are wrong.

Rasputin, looked like Koshi was going for a tone read/level of discomfort here. That could be a way of doing it, but clearly he was wrong in Void.

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Germany9029 Posts

February 17 2015 01:05 GMT

#1930

Going back to VA, I was hoping he'd do something useful after D1, especially after the flip, which is what I would expect from him given his play in Void. The issue is that he said that BH was likely mafia and he disputed the dual JKs which pretty much flies in the face of town consensus, nor has he given any good reason for it nor his thoughts on Superbia who did the research.

On February 17 2015 03:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
i still think BH is mafia, not buying the 2 JKs

On February 17 2015 04:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
i see no reason to think that anything was mod confirmed

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Germany9029 Posts

February 17 2015 01:06 GMT

#1931

On February 17 2015 10:02 KelsierSC wrote:
Koshi was wrong?

I wont hear of it, burn the heretic

Heretic, as in Koshi or Slam?

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Germany9029 Posts

February 17 2015 01:11 GMT

#1938

On February 17 2015 10:07 Town Puppy wrote:
no breshke is in there twice

So I take it then he's in the "lynch it with fire" category for you?

(As I said before, he's also in my lynchables list as well.)

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Germany9029 Posts

February 17 2015 01:15 GMT

#1944

Back to prplhz and lack of direction, he does bring up a somewhat noncommittal sentence on BH. Then he votes BH when he does - this I remember, IIRC it was after he claimed JK - and then immediately unvoted him but I couldn't figure out why either. He said the timing of the claim was horrible, and put down BH in the sentence after that and then votes Breshke.

On February 16 2015 05:03 prplhz wrote:

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I don't even know what this means.

##Vote Breshke

I can get with this. Reading his filter I don't think anything points at him being town or mafia. I didn't even remember he was in this game. Text book under the radar guy. This is a lot better than raynpelikoneet and VayneAuthority and what else is going around. I'm even willing to let KelsierSC go for now because he's actually around doing stuff.

I looked closer at that exchange and I'm starting to think the bolded sentence is an indicator of him trying to figure out what is going to stick. Which to me is a scum behaviour. Scumpile.

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Germany9029 Posts

February 17 2015 01:21 GMT

#1948

On February 17 2015 10:13 rsoultin wrote:
So, HtS...not to beat a dead horse, but you were saying you were scumreading BH before all the JK stuff at EoD. Was that still just for the fact that his VA scumread was obviously fabricated, or was there anything else?

I generally have the expectation that someone with his experience level (especially) should be able to either give reads on other people or at least come up with some sort of other method in conjunction (like PoE) to further support why his RNG read was good if he was that serious about it. I made the point that when he kept offering a "30% scumlynch" I said that there was a 70% chance it was wrong. And he failed to do that. Finally when he claimed I didn't believe his claim largely because of the timing.

As a veteran I expected better from him. He didn't sound believable at that time.

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Germany9029 Posts

February 17 2015 01:22 GMT

#1949

On February 17 2015 10:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
well he didn't want ot vote for two townies so...

I'm not reading you as town.

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Germany9029 Posts

February 17 2015 14:36 GMT

#2115

On February 17 2015 14:12 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay my last post before going to bed: The SK prob was scum reading KSC and thought he was Mafia so he killed him hoping to kill Mafia but instead KSC was town. Going to bed for reals now.

WIFOM. Most people here are lumping the SK and scum together in one batch. What you said is possible, but unlikely as there are way more town than scum.

Under the assumption that scum took out Eden, my theory FWIW, BH said before that SK is anti-swing, and Kelsier was a mislynch opportunity for scum, given he was being scumread. He kills a townie AND hurts scum at the same time by cutting short an ML candidate.

Kelsier could also have been targetted because he was on the right track as well. Some of his reads were matching my own, on the ones that weren't, could potentially be worth further investigation.

Any of the above are possible plus other things I might not have considered.