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So don't expect me to do those comically terrible last-minute plays. | ||
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so we're talking a few minutes into the game, it's been mostly trolling shit and then slam comes up with this random keirathi scumread because keirathi said something trolly. and then rayn goes 'why did you roll scum', like, it's literally half an hour into game and keirathi has said one post. ok, so it's pretty normal for anyone, alignment non-indicative, to go wtf? and then goes like 20 pages of back and forth witchhunt because there's literally nothing else going on other than rayn: keir y u no do towny shit, keir: theres nothign to talk about, rayn: give reads, keir: theres really nothing to talk about except this bullshit wagon, rayn: see he's not contributing lynch his ass. really? meanwhile rayn goes and townreads like 10 other people without really any reason, and i don't think asking him why would help because there's really no reason to townread 10 people in the first few hours of d1... so may i ask, wtf is rayn actually doing, is he just bringing us around for a ring around the rosey while appearing to be town because he's been posting a lot? | ||
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On February 08 2015 12:52 Damdred wrote: Errr rayn actually looks really town? What else do you have for what's been going on why do u think he looks really town? | ||
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the one thing i disagree is the ows townread, the keirathi wagon is terrible as i said and defending keirathi there could both be scum hunting for towncred or town speaking out against bs. i dont think theres enough ows posting to read him one way or another. regarding rayn. id probably have read rayn town already if he wasnt rayn but hes good enough to make this sort of 'discussion-generation' play as scum too. right now its like 60-70% town read for me, but not 100% townread like some others here think hes jesus | ||
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On February 08 2015 14:10 Damdred wrote: So there is no merit in the defensiveness that slam talked about and rayn talked about in the wagon at all? Still you seem to have a pretty strong town read on Rayn but most of your posts read like you are having rayn as scum for what you see as a bad wagon if u say 60-70% is a strong town read then ok. that 30%-40% is where the doubt comes in, seeing as everyone townreads rayn i thought it was good to raise the issue of 'is he sure to be town'? | ||
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On February 08 2015 14:10 Damdred wrote: So there is no merit in the defensiveness that slam talked about and rayn talked about in the wagon at all? Still you seem to have a pretty strong town read on Rayn but most of your posts read like you are having rayn as scum for what you see as a bad wagon i think there really is no merit in the defensiveness that keir shows this early, even tho theory says towns should be less defensive coz one less town means less than one less scum but the fact is no one likes dying and being out of the game because of some early-day1-bullshit-wagon. if he's still like this by day 1 end, stonewalling and martyring and shit id lynch him | ||
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On February 08 2015 14:16 Damdred wrote: You dodged part of my question. We'll come back to it later though. Would scum!Rayn want to work with the thread and pressure people to give reads and try to keep the thread actually flowing pretty well instead of making people rage? I'm not so sure... anyway, you call the wagon bad. So are you town reading Kie? two parts to this answer: 1) the wagon is bad because its based on an irrelevant premise, not because someone deliberately misread or misrepresented keir so the fact that the wagon is bad shows no alignment of keir. 2) keir's posting, as i explained before, is indicative of someone under pressure due to a bullshit wagon. its different from someone acting defensive because of some bad posting they made. in those cases you could legitimately suggest that theyre defensive because they got caught. with this 'discussion-generating-bullshit' wagon theyre defensive because its bullshit i dont think it tells anything about their alignment. so keir is still a null. | ||
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for now ill go and read up on damdred since you raised that up and ill see where that goes. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23726139 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23726567 like those? copy paste the links urself | ||
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On February 08 2015 16:32 geript wrote: Yah, those posts in no way make my peepee hard. Like they're exceptionally meh to me. Like I could be wrong on Damdred, but those posts don't actually make me think that Damdred's thinking about the game at all. They're very surface level and weak. does damdred usually do a better job than that when he's d1 town? | ||
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alright im sold on scum damdred lets see if he keeps being shit | ||
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first that 'why are u not voting damdred' thing is wrong, i can always vote whenever so long as i do it before deadline, i could put my vote on him and that would be as noncommittal as putting it anywhere else or not putting it anywhere. damdreds showed up since i went to sleep. hes started thinking which is good. im taking him off the scumlist. obi is pretty useless, but hes always pretty useless with a few scattered gems of brilliance among the uselessness and i lost my last game scumreading his uselessness when he was town, so i dont know any more. how do u read him? lonemeow needs to say more stuff lightning strike is pretty interesting, so what hes been doing is: 1) make a pretty general and boring list of one-sentence reads of everyone, that it doesnt seem like hes thought much about it. 2) makes excuses for not posting 3) sheeps damdred 4) asking simple questions about what X thinks of Y this betrays a lack of deep thinking, i think its likely he scum tryna get an easy mislynch without doing much | ||
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apparently the best reason offered so far about obi being scum is he wouldnt do that vote switch as town, and hes useless? what about this, i played with him last time in championship belt, he was fucking useless and does weird ass things and we scumread him at lylo and lost? that switching vote thingy can happen often esp when ppl get confused by last-minute switches by other ppl and the ten million reasons why X is or is not mafia that they throw out and expect ppl to understand in five minutes? i dont think rayns '100% mafia' read is right in fact i think at most its a coinflip on ows here ls i have a bad timezone and things to do sorry i couldnt be on after that last post i made? | ||
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On February 10 2015 11:12 LightningStrike wrote: Also my only scum is Gobbledydook atm I really like Damdred's case on him but he still didn't give me his filter from his scum game he mention. Don't be a lazy ass go find it urself it's noir mini mafia 2 and it was a really shitty game all round | ||
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hes doing a good job not getting noticed it seems like this, On February 10 2015 03:23 LoneMeow wrote: Can we just lynch the crap out of LightningStrike? I'm fairly sure he's scum. Everything about him seems off and forced, he hasn't raised any of the questions he usually does (except when explicitly asked about why he doesn't do that) and just generally hasn't been putting in the effort and volunteering his reads like he usually does. so, this is one of the only times where hes made a concrete read and its bad. he never explains his assertions, he just states them like theyre facts without setting out to prove his case. no one seems to be caring what he posts, you can look at his posts and how no one really bothers to respond substantively. which is pretty telling since its n1 by now and surely he should have said something interesting enough that people are talking about it? the fact that he hasnt said anything of importance and just blends in means hes probably scum | ||
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On February 11 2015 03:31 LoneMeow wrote: Here's a quick update on where I stand: Upgraded LightningStrike to null-ish, looks better now that he's trying to do something to solve the game. Downgraded Alakaslam to leaning scum for not doing anything at all and that post on his "reads". It bothers me that I can't seem to find more scum reads, makes me think there's a possibility that there's scum in raynpelikoneet/Damdred/geript who I think are good enough that I don't stand much of a chance figuring them out (this early at least), but I'll worry about that later. lets look at this lonemeow post not long ago hes backtracking on ls after rayn and ows disagree on his scumread, giving a reason 'trying to do something to solve the game', when is it really true that ls filter improved from page 1 - 3 to page 3 - 5? At best i'd say he was trying slightly more. turns out thats enough to change from 'fairly sure hes scum' to 'null-ish'. why? | ||
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On February 11 2015 12:28 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I checked it out and he's not Mafia this game. As Mafia he slipped so many times I would of called him out and pushed him very hard on there in his longer game but his 2nd mafia game was to short for me to make good use of it T_T So FF is definitely town for now as he tried to make to make a case on me being Mafia although it's not a good case of me being Mafia as my last game as Mafia I was much more scared to post and slipped pretty damn bad that game. Here's my mafia game if anyone is interested my filter length is pretty small and should be quick for anyone to read  My game as Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome?user=LightningStrike ??? ITT: long sentence of a meta read on fecalfeast whos pretty obviously town just based on the rb and lack of counterclaim, ie pretty useless filler | ||
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On February 11 2015 14:10 Damdred wrote: I might come to regret this one day.... Slam is comfortably vetted for me. The fite is over and he has won for now. I am going to lay down why is slam not scum any more | ||
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rayn is either town, or playing scum so well that i couldnt figure it out in ten years geripts been hard tunneled on ows since day 1 and the case is good and committal dont think geript can be scum, if hes scum then ows is 100% town and when ows flips town geripts in a really bad place when he could have avoided that easily onegus town ff is unlikely to be mafia coz of rb claim as i said. scumff would involve scum rb+killing lian, which cant be proven wrong but occams razor suggests the most obvious answer of townff getting rbed being correct. hes made some posts that turn out a bit weird but its a far cry from suggesting the scumff theory is the correct one. ows i said was a coinflip based on the weird vote switching. he looks reasonable after n1, except where he just dismisses liancourt and ls as town without further explanation. i could see ows+ls scumteam here, ls isnt 'obviously town' even if u disagree with him being outright scum damdred is town hero hes #1 lonemeow is really lurky, and could be the 3rd scum sl is, idk a bit weird the way he posts, seems floaty, i dont think his case on me is convincing at all, or any case for that matter. if lonemeow isnt the scum then sl probably is slam is unreadable and he does whatever he wants ls my #1 scumread, ive given reasons go read my filter, and ff/onegu etc are onto something good. | ||
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On February 12 2015 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Don't bullshit us! You posted 10 hours ago -- you literally made a post where you at least seem to have read everything going on that far. There is literally ONE new page in the thread after that. Why are you lying? Doesn't help that all the activity happens when I'm asleep | ||
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i can't imagine any town reacting in such a way to rayns claim, fake or no. I'm not going to say anything regarding the mason or cop claim because it's 100% fake but rayn is 100% town. the logical fallacy in sicklucker is real and hes spent 20 pages being useless and shouting ur the cop no im not ur the cop no im not and generally occupying space. this is probably the least productive night ive slept through because of that and sicklucker deserves the praise. | ||
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On February 12 2015 11:10 Damdred wrote: My head hurts from reading all of this. it should. | ||
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On February 12 2015 13:00 sicklucker wrote: Gobbly is 100% scum after that. Slam is actually trolling or something Lm is a better kill then me why? | ||
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![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Train_wreck_at_Montparnasse_1895.jpg/200px-Train_wreck_at_Montparnasse_1895.jpg) worst fail scumplay ft sicklucker | ||
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On February 12 2015 14:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote: He even had SL as a policy lynch on day 1 but decided to put it off until day 2 for no reason whatsoever. its not like SL ever had any traction on day 1 | ||
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On February 12 2015 14:25 LightningStrike wrote: Ya sicklucker claimed Mafia Roleblocker I think lol. BTW I don't need to make a meta case on sicklucker now that he claimed scum. BTW where are your baby seals sicklucker? now why would u know he was the scum *roleblocker* in particular? maybe you knew something you shouldn't know as town? hm... | ||
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On February 12 2015 14:14 sicklucker wrote: If you wanted to confirm someone as town you probably shouldnt have picked someone who was already confirmed because I roleblocked him last night ;p oh derp u meant that nvm then i zoned out of whatever he said coz it was a trainwreck | ||
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On February 12 2015 23:23 LightningStrike wrote: Guy's I think it might be LM based on how sicklucker reacted to others in the thread. Here's his first mention of LM: He might of wanted to interact with LM via posting in the thread but he didn't interact with him at all in this thread. Here's his second mention of LM: Seems to be defending LM to a extent here although he seems to defend me in this same post hmmmmmmmm. Here's his third mention of LM: Again he keeps going back to scum reading LM because of his lack of activity. Here's his fourth mention of LM: He admited that todays lynch is Between himself, Slam, and more likely LM. Oh and here is this Gem in this Day phase in his Fifth mention of LM: He now trying to push LM as to lynch LM today since he been inactive and tried to save his own skin. And he does this again in his very next post: He trying to push LM to save his own skin. That's all I got from sickluckers filter on who the next Mafia. This is terrible wifom it's impossible to tell LM's alignment from SL flipping scum. | ||
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his posts don't quite feel right to me. look at his big sicklucker meta case for example, he's used one example of sicklucker bussing to 'prove' that he's also bussing in this game and therefore LM is scum. It's sicklucker's only recorded game in TL mafia, but trying to meta not only for alignment, but also for scumplay inferences...This argument doesn't hold water. Basically all his LM lynch arguments stem from his 'inferences' about sicklucker's scumplay, and it's interesting that the only time he mentioned LM before this, which was somewhere in early-mid day 1, he read him town. LM has been just as lurky and useless from day 1 to day 2, so what gives? The best explanation I can give is that LS is trying to find a mislynch after his scumpartner slipped hard and he's making up all sorts of wifom arguments to support his case. The reason why LM would also be a reasonable lynch for me, is because I'm wrong and LS is town, then LM could be scum because of his lurkiness and uselessness. | ||
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I agree with onegs' analysis. Following that logic we can assume that there aren't more blues not claimed yet. I trust ff given his rb claim and the story fits. So town vet is the only roleblock worthy role and that means LM is not worth more than a green. That said why shouldn't we lynch ls? | ||
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I'm suspecting that geript is scum. All of his day one was some hard ows tunnelling that he then backs away from after n1, and then he hasn't done much committal since. Possibility: geript + ows scumteam? Could be geript trying for towncred then backing away from read. Or possibility: geript + ls scumteam? geript seems to be avoiding ls despite questionable play from ls I quite like this lynch. | ||
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On February 16 2015 09:36 Damdred wrote: I nailed gobble d1 that makes me happy you also nailed the whole scumteam and asked 'is it this easy' | ||
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