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On February 06 2015 01:29 Eden1892 wrote:
like I get that you were busy JAT. that is actually part of the reason for my read! given that you were busy with work and needed to get some sleep at some point, and that you had decided to devote a few hrs of your time to mafia, I expected to see more work than you did to narrow your list down and get some results
This does not make me mafia and you know it. I rarely am certain or even close to that this early day1.
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On February 06 2015 01:30 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 01:29 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2015 01:27 Eden1892 wrote:On February 06 2015 01:25 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2015 01:23 Eden1892 wrote:On February 06 2015 01:19 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2015 01:17 Eden1892 wrote:On February 06 2015 01:13 Damdred wrote:
Anyway, I don't think imperial is a good game to judge someones meta on besides perhaps tone which there is a lot more example of. Maybe writing style to, but in a game that's so big its really easy to get lost, normally I can remember every page I read roughly and find what i'm looking for past day two in imperial I was lucky to remember things we talked about 10 pages ago there was so much information overload.
SL probably didn't answer everything in imperial I will agree with that, but that game made it impossible to answer everything. His other games that he rolled town in he specifically would comment on everything in the thread that he could at that time for the most point.
Eden, your second point is a bit weird not because its not true or that its not something that a scum player can be guilty of, but its weird because it could be attributed to a great many people in the thread who are just sheeping or doing jack all. Its more of a null point, JAT usually does make good comments and point out a few things that are interesting as town he made one about me in his filter about the read wasn't the weird part about me that was pretty good. And he seems decently paranoid at points when it comes to people town reading him.
I haven't checked who was active in the thread at the time that JAT was present besides JAT and SL and a few others, so I can't really verify that he was able to follow up and he hasn't really been back since. And finding mafia through POE isn't exactly the most horrible thing.
I just don't know if this makes him scum. Finding mafia through POE isn't per se a problem, but you have to actually be rigorous with finding townreads in order to do it and I really feel like JAT hasn't been thus far, at all And what let's you make this debatable conclusion? I literally posted a POE list which indicates a townread or at least a don't lynch read on every player not on it. uh, probably the 'rigorous' part. handing out townreads without explanation != rigor and while this isn't related to being rigorous with townreads specifically, the more general point of not being sufficiently rigorous to do a POE lynch holds because you narrowed your list to seven and then didn't make an effort to get it any lower Bullshit. I dare you to read the post and tell me again I did not narrow it down. Not to mention that I have enough time today to do that. yeah I just did. you had Damdred and sicklucker as your best kills and 5 other people as "would kill if convinced" and then didn't do anything to develop that. and you spent 2 hours in the thread after posting it, no time johns for you So, I did narrow it down and you were pushing me for something that isn't true. GJ Eden. i hope that defense sounded better in your head, because you're still apparently ignoring the key point which is that you still spent time in the thread not doing anything to develop that list. you just dropped the list and then talked about other stuff instead
The thing is you claim this but it just isn't true. And the sad thing is that you are probably town doing this. You are wasting your time and mine with this bullshit without having the slightest reason to scumread me while you could concentrate on people that are actually mafia.
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What? I am always defending myself when people attack me. Especially when my townreads are doing it. You should know this Koshi.
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On February 06 2015 01:37 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 01:36 justanothertownie wrote:
What? I am always defending myself when people attack me. Especially when my townreads are doing it. You should know this Koshi. Yeah my bad, I just had an identity crisis.
lol, change your fucking icon, fiend!
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Ok, Palmar should also know this. Point still stands.
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On February 06 2015 01:39 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 01:31 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2015 01:29 Eden1892 wrote:
like I get that you were busy JAT. that is actually part of the reason for my read! given that you were busy with work and needed to get some sleep at some point, and that you had decided to devote a few hrs of your time to mafia, I expected to see more work than you did to narrow your list down and get some results This does not make me mafia and you know it. I rarely am certain or even close to that this early day1. I'm not sure what this is replying to out of what I said. If anything it seems like a more compelling reason to work harder to figure out the game, no? If you're chronically uncertain about players' alignments on d1 and you have a large lynch pool, why not dig into it further to get better reads on people? Like you have Damdred and sicklucker as your best kills, "preferred lynch targets" you call them but where do you try to pick between them? Where's the push to figure out their alignments?
I don't have to decide between them when I have several hours to do this before deadline. I am almost always finding my lynch target very late in the day and even you should know this. -> Imperial
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On February 06 2015 01:39 Palmar wrote:
I guess I've run out of reasons to call you mafia then.
You never had any to begin with.
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On February 06 2015 01:42 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 01:41 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2015 01:39 Eden1892 wrote:On February 06 2015 01:31 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2015 01:29 Eden1892 wrote:
like I get that you were busy JAT. that is actually part of the reason for my read! given that you were busy with work and needed to get some sleep at some point, and that you had decided to devote a few hrs of your time to mafia, I expected to see more work than you did to narrow your list down and get some results This does not make me mafia and you know it. I rarely am certain or even close to that this early day1. I'm not sure what this is replying to out of what I said. If anything it seems like a more compelling reason to work harder to figure out the game, no? If you're chronically uncertain about players' alignments on d1 and you have a large lynch pool, why not dig into it further to get better reads on people? Like you have Damdred and sicklucker as your best kills, "preferred lynch targets" you call them but where do you try to pick between them? Where's the push to figure out their alignments? I don't have to decide between them when I have several hours to do this before deadline. I am almost always finding my lynch target very late in the day and even you should know this. -> Imperial Obviously not, I didn't say you had to decide between them right then. What I meant is, where are you questioning Damdred and sicklucker to develop your reads so you'll know who you want to pick?
Damdred just told you I was questioning him. What on earth are you talking about? What happened to your towngame since Imperial? You are spamming, confirmation biasing and trolling. All the things you said you didn't want to to anymore. It is really sad.
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On February 06 2015 01:46 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 01:44 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2015 01:42 Eden1892 wrote:On February 06 2015 01:41 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2015 01:39 Eden1892 wrote:On February 06 2015 01:31 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2015 01:29 Eden1892 wrote:
like I get that you were busy JAT. that is actually part of the reason for my read! given that you were busy with work and needed to get some sleep at some point, and that you had decided to devote a few hrs of your time to mafia, I expected to see more work than you did to narrow your list down and get some results This does not make me mafia and you know it. I rarely am certain or even close to that this early day1. I'm not sure what this is replying to out of what I said. If anything it seems like a more compelling reason to work harder to figure out the game, no? If you're chronically uncertain about players' alignments on d1 and you have a large lynch pool, why not dig into it further to get better reads on people? Like you have Damdred and sicklucker as your best kills, "preferred lynch targets" you call them but where do you try to pick between them? Where's the push to figure out their alignments? I don't have to decide between them when I have several hours to do this before deadline. I am almost always finding my lynch target very late in the day and even you should know this. -> Imperial Obviously not, I didn't say you had to decide between them right then. What I meant is, where are you questioning Damdred and sicklucker to develop your reads so you'll know who you want to pick? Damdred just told you I was questioning him. What on earth are you talking about? What happened to your towngame since Imperial? You are spamming, confirmation biasing and trolling. All the things you said you didn't want to to anymore. It is really sad. Definitely not trolling
I guess it is ok then.
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On February 06 2015 01:48 Eden1892 wrote:
unvote
Maybe I can do some prelim vca and try to find something
Poor thing...
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On February 06 2015 01:55 Eden1892 wrote:
Just on a quick glance:
- Why did LightningStrike flip onto JAT from SL when SL was voting JAT?
- What's Koshi even doing? Maybe that's where I should be looking for people who I think aren't putting in time.
- If I think JAT is town then rsoultin and especially Damdred are probably town as well. I don't see why Damdred would be anywhere close to invested in the arguments around JAT if he were mafia. And rsoultin saying, in effect, "I see where you're going on JAT but I'm staying on SL" is pretty good if you assume JAT is town. It's not that she couldn't do that as mafia, but in any world where SL is mafia, she doesn't stay as mafia, she switches, imo. If SL is also town it's another story and she could be mafia.
- Oddly enough I still like SL. Sorry Damdred. I swear I'm not saying this just to piss you off.
- Holyflare, batsnacks and Onegu are all off doing their own thing. One of them is probably mafia.
- Don't remember why Breshke moved.
I think I like lynching Koshi and one of HF/batsnacks/Onegu, more likely HF/batsnacks because Onegu is already on Koshi.
Why is damdred town for siding with me? That is the easiest fucking thing in the world to do as scum. I am never getting mislynched and people will sooner rather than later realize that I am town and then he looks good. And even if you lynched me he would still look good.
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On February 06 2015 01:58 marvellosity wrote:
i'm not lynching bats today.
Good boy.
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On February 06 2015 02:02 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 01:58 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2015 01:55 Eden1892 wrote:
Just on a quick glance:
- Why did LightningStrike flip onto JAT from SL when SL was voting JAT?
- What's Koshi even doing? Maybe that's where I should be looking for people who I think aren't putting in time.
- If I think JAT is town then rsoultin and especially Damdred are probably town as well. I don't see why Damdred would be anywhere close to invested in the arguments around JAT if he were mafia. And rsoultin saying, in effect, "I see where you're going on JAT but I'm staying on SL" is pretty good if you assume JAT is town. It's not that she couldn't do that as mafia, but in any world where SL is mafia, she doesn't stay as mafia, she switches, imo. If SL is also town it's another story and she could be mafia.
- Oddly enough I still like SL. Sorry Damdred. I swear I'm not saying this just to piss you off.
- Holyflare, batsnacks and Onegu are all off doing their own thing. One of them is probably mafia.
- Don't remember why Breshke moved.
I think I like lynching Koshi and one of HF/batsnacks/Onegu, more likely HF/batsnacks because Onegu is already on Koshi. Why is damdred town for siding with me? That is the easiest fucking thing in the world to do as scum. I am never getting mislynched and people will sooner rather than later realize that I am town and then he looks good. And even if you lynched me he would still look good. It isn't him siding with you, it's that he bothered to be involved at all. He went back and dug out quotes showing where you pushed your read on him that I missed in my reading. He's been arguing the case with me since before you even arrived back in the thread. It's not impossible for him to do as mafia, but I can't see why he would give a shit, I guess? Seems like if he's mafia he would be more than happy to let me keep yelling about lynching you, especially when Palmar and marv were in the thread saying they'd want to lynch Damdred if not you.
I disagree. If Damdred is scum he KNOWS that I will not be lynched. He can push my wagon despite leaning town on me earlier and look extremely awful or he can keep defending me and not look awful. It is that easy.
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On February 06 2015 02:19 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 02:11 Damdred wrote:
Also eden why did you have such a hard on for jat following thread sentiment to you but youd on't see anything wrong with breshke filter when he sheeped onto jat with one of his scum reads because that's what was being talked about? I meant with the "passive" descriptor specifically, sorry. I see where you're coming from on his vote switch. I think the passive part matters because it's the reason batsnacks keeps pushing on Breshke, and I'm not really sold on batsnacks being town. It'd help me get a read on bats if I knew where he's coming from. I could lynch Breshke today, I think I rather Koshi because I expect more from him though. This guy rants way too much in obs qt about town not seeing obvious mafia for him to roll town and be this apathetic about the game.
If batsnacks is actually pushing for a lynch then the probability of him being town is way above average.
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Leaving work now. Will be back in a bit.
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On February 06 2015 02:24 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 01:27 justanothertownie wrote:
Because there is no fucking way you think I am scum for anything else than being less posty. You said I just do random shit as mafia but you know thats not true.
Yes you do. You say stuff that makes no sense for no rhyme or reason. You even make shit up that is completely and provably untrue.
On February 06 2015 02:27 Koshi wrote:
JAT didn't do anything and you are unvoting him? Pretty boring guys. It's his scum meta to bully people off him.
No, it is not. You literally just played against me as mafia and I did nothing of this sort. What the hell?
On February 06 2015 02:30 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 02:27 Koshi wrote:
JAT didn't do anything and you are unvoting him? Pretty boring guys. It's his scum meta to bully people off him. THIS YOU JUST GOT BULLIED. NOTHING ACUALY CHANGED HE SAID DONT VOTE ME YOU SAID OK
Yep, nothing changed. There was no case on me - there still is no case on me.
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On February 06 2015 03:20 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 03:17 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2015 02:24 sicklucker wrote:On February 06 2015 01:27 justanothertownie wrote:
Because there is no fucking way you think I am scum for anything else than being less posty. You said I just do random shit as mafia but you know thats not true. Yes you do. You say stuff that makes no sense for no rhyme or reason. You even make shit up that is completely and provably untrue. On February 06 2015 02:27 Koshi wrote:
JAT didn't do anything and you are unvoting him? Pretty boring guys. It's his scum meta to bully people off him. No, it is not. You literally just played against me as mafia and I did nothing of this sort. What the hell? On February 06 2015 02:30 sicklucker wrote:On February 06 2015 02:27 Koshi wrote:
JAT didn't do anything and you are unvoting him? Pretty boring guys. It's his scum meta to bully people off him. THIS YOU JUST GOT BULLIED. NOTHING ACUALY CHANGED HE SAID DONT VOTE ME YOU SAID OK Yep, nothing changed. There was no case on me - there still is no case on me. When I was voting you N2 you were bullying me so yeah, you did.
I wasn't bullying you at all?!
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On February 06 2015 03:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 03:22 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2015 03:20 Koshi wrote:On February 06 2015 03:17 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2015 02:24 sicklucker wrote:On February 06 2015 01:27 justanothertownie wrote:
Because there is no fucking way you think I am scum for anything else than being less posty. You said I just do random shit as mafia but you know thats not true. Yes you do. You say stuff that makes no sense for no rhyme or reason. You even make shit up that is completely and provably untrue. On February 06 2015 02:27 Koshi wrote:
JAT didn't do anything and you are unvoting him? Pretty boring guys. It's his scum meta to bully people off him. No, it is not. You literally just played against me as mafia and I did nothing of this sort. What the hell? On February 06 2015 02:30 sicklucker wrote:On February 06 2015 02:27 Koshi wrote:
JAT didn't do anything and you are unvoting him? Pretty boring guys. It's his scum meta to bully people off him. THIS YOU JUST GOT BULLIED. NOTHING ACUALY CHANGED HE SAID DONT VOTE ME YOU SAID OK Yep, nothing changed. There was no case on me - there still is no case on me. When I was voting you N2 you were bullying me so yeah, you did. I wasn't bullying you at all?! You were. I asked Artanis to get you modkilled but alas.
lol, no fucking way
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On February 06 2015 03:25 Holyflare wrote:
jat why are you busy arguing with your voters instead of just showing them some mafia?
Because I still have like 30 pages to read.
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On February 06 2015 03:31 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 03:27 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2015 03:25 Holyflare wrote:
jat why are you busy arguing with your voters instead of just showing them some mafia? Because I still have like 30 pages to read. When do you not have pages to read? YEsterday you had to read 10 pages even though you were active in the last 5 of them?
No. Yesterday I started posting before I had read everything. Exactly like I am doing now. I know it has to be hard to understand but if I am not posting I am probably not around which means I cannot follow the game.
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