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marvellosity
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On February 09 2015 09:48 LightningStrike wrote: There is a GF in this game Breshke so ofc the GF will appear green when checked by a cop so that means that JAT is most likely the GF. ^ also don't think LS is this artful... | ||
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marvellosity
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On February 10 2015 09:16 LightningStrike wrote: Also there is no way JAT would be seen green on a real cop check so therefore I think bats is mafia because only GF would appear green to a Cop check and JAT was a goon not a GF. ^ same argument | ||
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marvellosity
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This is where I stand at the moment. I think a lot of the bizarre interactions between mafia lend themselves to rsoultin being mafia. The whole Koshi/rs/jat stuff on n1->d2 especially. Additionally, going back to check Carol reminds me of how town leader-y rsoultin was in that game. She was powerful and persuasive (if wrong). This game she is neither powerful nor persuasive, she's more of a backseat passenger. Reading LS's filter, frankly it just looks quite town to me. The timing of the jat case which I jumped on at the time was nowhere near as bad as I thought. For some reason I remembered it coming right at EoD when it came the next day, not sure what happened there. And I think there are some gems in LS's filter that I can't see him replicating as mafia. Whereas I think rsoultin can replicate everything she did as mafia. | ||
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Breshke, when you read this. Prod me to talk about stuff I'm thinking here if I forget later when you're around. | ||
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On February 11 2015 04:12 rsoultin wrote: You're either stuck in confirmation bias or misrepresenting things on purpose again. Read any of my town games. I am "town-leadery" in the absence of town leadership. There was nothing leadery about me until most of the vets were slaughtered in Carol. I took the reigns of the newbie game almost instantly, but certainly haven't led any of my town games since, with the exception of protoss where I had a red-check and was confirmed. Koshi was hardly the only one who commented on my joke. Just because he's mafia and they weren't it conveniently becomes a scumslip? These things are being twisted to suit your predisposition to see me lynched today. And don't think it escapes me, marv, that if you're scum I am absolutely your biggest threat going into LYLO. I have plenty to say about this when Breshke is around :> i've written bats off as a lost cause | ||
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marvellosity
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I had you town during the night phase and I've scoured jat and Koshi's filter, as well as your own and LS's. What I have is literally the opposite of a predisposition to lynch you today. | ||
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none of this is what i'm gonna talk to breshke about, but it's there anyway | ||
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On February 10 2015 23:36 marvellosity wrote: also this isn't quite right, because the game looks like this people should be voting: Breshke - LS, rsou, (marv) bats - LS, rsou, (marv) marv - LS, rsou LS - rsou, (marv) rsou - LS, (marv) so for the bottom 2, the dye is already cast So it's related to this. Remember the twaddle Eden came out with about mafia being inactive because of some random theoretical discussions that happened outside this game? Well, that's not that, it's related to this game and above. so obviously the stuff above is based on the fact that if you're mafia and you shot 2 scumbuddies you're gonna win and whatever, and I thought bats was town all game and fakeclaiming cop when there's a miller seems really risky, so gotta take the punt that he's town, which leaves the above. Anyway since the modkills and since you shot Koshi, the breathing room for mafia has been restricting faster and faster. Lots of the "scummy" townies died, and hero-vig shot multiple mafia. We saw the first instance of this breathing room evaporating during the night phase, where jat was pretty certain I was town at one stage, and then when I'm relentlessly keeping on him, he's basically forced to call me mafia. It's not even a mistake for him to do it, because he needs outs and he's running out of outs. Today the situation is even clearer - my post above. I'm essentially choosing between rsou and LS, and they really have to choose between each other with a side of me. It's the main reason that I trapped rsoultin earlier in the phase and made her admit that bats was very likely town - I needed the net to close and make things clear. Now, whichever of rsoultin or LS is mafia, they need two mislynches. Each other's not enough. I've closed the door on bats. This means that by necessity I will need to be the next mislynch, because going back to bats is very difficult after what I said today. So what have we got? LS seemed ok to close the door on bats, with no particular qualms, I don't see anything unnatural about it (other than usual LS hilarious weirdness which is nothing). rsoultin is in a different spot. Can't go for bats anymore. She's been calling my miller thing preeeetty ironclad, which frankly it is. Not only that, but she set her stall out before that I'm town for gameplay reasons. But now again the net is closing, and we have the jat situation repeating again. She is forced to call me mafia. Why is she forced? Because if she sticks to the (totally correct) idea that my miller claim makes me pretty lock town, and sticks to the idea that I'm town, then she'd also have to be ok with rsoultin and LS being lynched in a row which locks up the game for town (that's the situation I am in personally). But she can't be ok with that because that doesn't work for mafia. So on the one hand LS is calling me 100% town. And on the other rsoultin is forced to try to open the door to lynching me, after I closed the door on lynching bats. | ||
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Maybe 80-19 and you and bats can have 1 split between you | ||
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On February 11 2015 00:43 marvellosity wrote: ##Vote: rsoultin This is where I stand at the moment. I think a lot of the bizarre interactions between mafia lend themselves to rsoultin being mafia. The whole Koshi/rs/jat stuff on n1->d2 especially. Additionally, going back to check Carol reminds me of how town leader-y rsoultin was in that game. She was powerful and persuasive (if wrong). This game she is neither powerful nor persuasive, she's more of a backseat passenger. Reading LS's filter, frankly it just looks quite town to me. The timing of the jat case which I jumped on at the time was nowhere near as bad as I thought. For some reason I remembered it coming right at EoD when it came the next day, not sure what happened there. And I think there are some gems in LS's filter that I can't see him replicating as mafia. Whereas I think rsoultin can replicate everything she did as mafia. I admit I'm not completely certain, I don't know how I can be expected to be. But I think there's a difference between uncertainty and stuff, and the necessity for mafia to reintroduce me to the lynch discussion. rsoultin actually has nothing except "you're calling me mafia" Also, see bolded: I think I set my stall out quite clearly on what I think the solution is. Whereas rsoultin should absolutely be going for LS today, LS should be a near banker for her given everything that she has said about me, especially the miller stuff. But that's not how it reads is it? | ||
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like the stuff about the mafia roles, forgetting framer, all that stuff i don't think he's artful enough for going after eden mid-day 2 picking up on the rsoultin-koshi joke thing (whether it's correct or not is beside the point, it's that he found it and commented and pushed it) Also I accept LS's point about the fact he was coached in his last mafia game, and even if he was coached here he's done infinitely better. | ||
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