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True. I'm green
OK, so the setup we're looking at is
?Cop?, ?Vig? vs Goon, ?x?, ?x?
I'm asking because it seems silly to me to have a godfather AND framer in a setup with a cop and vig. That's a lot of hate for the cop role and absolutely no response to the vig. I could believe a framer or godfather, but both is pretty awkward. If they have a roleblocker, they apparently forgot to use it to stop Koshi from dying. Hard to believe unless they forgot to use it period. I also have a lot of trouble believing that the mafia decided to vig one of their own when they could have vig'd JAT/HF/whoever had public sentiment against them. Shit Breshke could even have vigged someone no one else wanted to kill that badly if he had been consistently scumreading that person before. He wasn't really that railroaded into shooting Koshi imo.
But then... where the hell is the other mafia PR? Is framer/2goons balanced vs cop and vig? I actually kinda feel like it might be - framer provides enough hate to the cop, and if you take out framer and cop, vanilla with a vig isn't that weird. It's probably townsided but it's not bizarre. I haven't had time to do my ultra-secret-probationary calculations to determine if it is.
What I'm trying to say is that I think we should take bats and Breshke at face value and go from there.
From there I really feel rso is town. I also feel that JAT and HF are town too, so this game is gonna get really hard if it's not LS and marv...
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I dunno man I'm on board this "rb, goon, fr, mafia forgot to assign rb" train
Call it batshit insane but I got a feeling
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On February 09 2015 03:37 LightningStrike wrote:It's not me Eden I'm the town puppy here is proof: ![[image loading]](http://www.2ndhandbarking.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/dogbarking.jpg)
LOL
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On February 09 2015 03:37 Holyflare wrote:
Your scenario is balanced if there's a miller......... Hint hint
But...
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But then... why is he airmailing it if he's town...
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On February 09 2015 03:46 Holyflare wrote:
Just going to treat all cop checks as nothing btw with an almost definite framer
Well, all inno checks. Guilty checks are more situational imo
I'm tr'ing JAT for reasons besides the check
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On February 09 2015 04:01 rsoultin wrote:
Okay, so I really don't get marv throwing in the towel as town.
But, and this is a big but,
Fake-claiming miller is just so not a good scum play. And what's bugging me even more about it is marv told me before when I was scumreading Celestial despite a blue claim that scum rarely fake-claims because they're afraid of the CC. Granted, Celestial was scum and obviously scum fake-claims, but the point is as long as he believes that, it makes it even less likely that he'd fake-claim miller, imo.
Why not? Aware miller seems like the best fakeclaim to make. Guaranteed never to be copscanned which with a framer drastically improves defenses against cop.
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has marv ever put this much work in as mafia and still been caught? (presuming he is mafia)
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On February 09 2015 04:21 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 04:18 rsoultin wrote:On February 09 2015 04:14 Eden1892 wrote:
has marv ever put this much work in as mafia and still been caught? (presuming he is mafia) dunnae. hf and/or jat should answer these questions for us lol I don't know how this is relevant in any way? If people in imperial hadn't been idiots he would have been lynched for example.
hmm
meh until he wows me i'm killing him
if he honest to god folded like that as town and pissed away his mislynch streak, that's not my fault
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Fuck it, marv is mafia and I caught him
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And I really think LS is the last one. Like I'm sorry this is HF's town game and JAT's town game. And rso's town game. And the 2 PR claims make way too much sense for me to disbelieve them.
I really think we got this
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Oh HTS's post reminds me, sorry for going off on you yesterday JAT. It was pretty uncalled for. You the homie
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On February 09 2015 04:57 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 04:52 Eden1892 wrote:
And I really think LS is the last one. Like I'm sorry this is HF's town game and JAT's town game. And rso's town game. And the 2 PR claims make way too much sense for me to disbelieve them.
I really think we got this ;o; i don't want to think the town puppy is scum. but you're probably right, on both counts. i don't understand why marv isn't fighting the lynch, otherwise
I don't either, but I don't get why mafia marv would waffle on HF and JAT if one of them is his partner. Seems like you either take the stance that your partner is town and kill off the other one or you take the stance that your partner is mafia and you lynch him. You don't waver.
If it's either of JAT or HF then it's probably HF for three reasons:
- HF was the one who got me off of lynching Koshi d1
- HF was the one of the two who said "marv is unspectacular but town"
- I see through marv's WIFOM attempt and Know that he meant that HF was mafia
But I really think it's neither. I will figure it out tomorrow if LS flips town after Breshke shoots him
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Yeah there's no way Breshke is mafia vig. 1 cop with several cop hate roles vs scum vig is fucking lol, scum vig squandering that OP setup by shooting a partner is even more fucking lol
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Man I cannot WAIT to read obs qt.
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Have you checked them LS? I'd like your thoughts on Breshke based off of them.
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Weird how you only noticed that after everyone else changed their minds. You've been posting those links for a full cycle now and only now noticed the things he's been doing all game?
On February 04 2015 13:12 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2015 13:04 rsoultin wrote:On February 04 2015 13:02 LightningStrike wrote:Okay I understand why people calling me scum on my meta alone but I been playing some LoL games with my clan that's all and honestly I only played with scum!Eden and I getting a strange feeling from him this game that he might be scum but he seems sarcastic and trolling a lot earlier but he seem to be more serious now that how he was in our last game so (shrugs) Also I defended you rsoultin because I know you pretty damn well and you know it  I know you defend me a lot so I'm less suspicious when you do it vice other people. Where are your reads now, LS? So far seems to be Eden possible scum but it just might be paranoia on my part and I did unvote him since I can't get a train going. Damdred Null leaning his actions early were pretty questionable to how he normally plays but he seemed to look better for now. Sicklucker might be town but the last time I gave him a free pass on Day 1 he was scum I will have to hold off on that for now. Marv and Palmar are town since they made a decent case on Damdred being scum and followed up on it. JAT is most likely town he doesn't seem to be like a dick like he was when he was scum in Void Mafia. HF null I only played with him as scum only seemed him as town for 1 game but I can't tell the difference for now. Bats null he made to little posts for me to read him correctly. Onegu might be possible town but I never played with him before but he got a couple good questions but his filter length is pretty small too. Breshke town he asking lots of questions about me like he did in Student V and trying to make a meta case on me being scum.
On February 04 2015 13:16 LightningStrike wrote:
So TLDR on my reads
Town:
Marv
Palmar
JAT
rsoultin (She acting like she does in normal games asking lots of questions and being paranoid too)
Breshke
Onegu
Null:
Damdred
Batsnacks
sicklucker
Holyflare
Koshi (To little posts to go on for me)
Scum:
Eden1892
On February 05 2015 12:37 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 12:35 rsoultin wrote:On February 05 2015 12:31 LightningStrike wrote:Guys I'm back and I really want to give up now since no one but Koshi, Marv, and JAT are calling me town >.< For my list post rsoultin I accidentally forgot to put the people who I put the notes by in my post on my reads that's all. Also I meant your normal behavior as town not opening you silly girl. Now I seeing people calling sicklucker scum and I might buy it if some of my town reads sheep the case on sicklucker by Damdred. Also I going to put in the blank because I thought I had put some words in my long reads post at the time to make it more clear: On February 04 2015 13:12 LightningStrike wrote:On February 04 2015 13:04 rsoultin wrote:On February 04 2015 13:02 LightningStrike wrote:Okay I understand why people calling me scum on my meta alone but I been playing some LoL games with my clan that's all and honestly I only played with scum!Eden and I getting a strange feeling from him this game that he might be scum but he seems sarcastic and trolling a lot earlier but he seem to be more serious now that how he was in our last game so (shrugs) Also I defended you rsoultin because I know you pretty damn well and you know it I know you defend me a lot so I'm less suspicious when you do it vice other people. Where are your reads now, LS? So far seems to be Eden possible scum but it just might be paranoia on my part and I did unvote him since I can't get a train going. Damdred Null leaning town his actions early were pretty questionable to how he normally plays but he seemed to look better for now. Sicklucker might be town but the last time I gave him a free pass on Day 1 he was scum I will have to hold off on that for now. Marv and Palmar are town since they made a decent case on Damdred being scum and followed up on it. JAT is most likely town he doesn't seem to be like a dick like he was when he was scum in Void Mafia. HF null I only played with him as scum only seemed him as town for 1 game but I can't tell the difference for now. Bats null he made to little posts for me to read him correctly. Onegu might be possible town but I never played with him before but he got a couple good questions but his filter length is pretty small too. Breshke town he asking lots of questions about me like he did in Student V and trying to make a meta case on me being scum. I feel like Damdred was just tunneling me when I wasn't around.............. That makes a ton more sense than calling the openings the same. So do you think Damdred, SL and Breshke are all scum for scumreading you, LS? Tbh with you more likely sicklucker than Damdred and Breshke is still town he tunneling me that's all.
On February 06 2015 02:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay JAT isn't good to lynch today and I back at square 1 except it's possible Breshke and sicklucker would be mafia but I don't have a case on them.
+ Show Spoiler +In hindsight, lol On February 06 2015 08:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay Breshke wtf why you would claim now at the night phase. Now Mafia will kill you or roleblock you........
On February 08 2015 10:56 LightningStrike wrote:
If I die from Mafia it's Eden if rsoultin dies it's Eden if JAT dies it's rsoultin if marv dies it's rsoultin if breshke dies it's anyone. That what my Magic 8 Ball say for now.
On February 09 2015 02:14 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 02:11 rsoultin wrote:On February 09 2015 02:10 LightningStrike wrote:
I been asking who we lynch today because I still confused as hell about this game esp with bats claiming cop. If one of bats or Breshke fake claimed we might be fucked..... okay, that's true, so which one do you think fake-claimed, if any? My guess would be bats since he claimed so late but he also did this under some pressure. I also don't like how Breshke claimed Vig at N1 and it still finding it odd.
On February 09 2015 02:18 LightningStrike wrote:
It mainly how the claims happened and seeing JAT and HF going at it each other I meta reading HF a town he playing like he did Void Mafia although he was NK'd N1 JAT could be town it's possible but not really confident in a town read on him and Breshke claiming Vig at n1 it really isn't good play if he was town vig because he would of been roleblocked if there was a roleblocker on the mafia team and bats claiming Cop today making it ich a bit. I also finding it odd that Breshke didn't get NK'd instead of Palmar.
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You had a full night after Breshke's claim and before Breshke shot mafia to raise that point.
You didn't even think to say it and kept tr'ing him with thinking the shot was weird.
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