EPTnone of this is what i'm gonna talk to breshke about, but it's there anyway
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marvellosity
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none of this is what i'm gonna talk to breshke about, but it's there anyway | ||
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On February 11 2015 01:37 marvellosity wrote: Thanks, that's fine for now. Breshke, when you read this. Prod me to talk about stuff I'm thinking here if I forget later when you're around. idk if you still need me to quote this | ||
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On February 10 2015 23:36 marvellosity wrote: also this isn't quite right, because the game looks like this people should be voting: Breshke - LS, rsou, (marv) bats - LS, rsou, (marv) marv - LS, rsou LS - rsou, (marv) rsou - LS, (marv) so for the bottom 2, the dye is already cast So it's related to this. Remember the twaddle Eden came out with about mafia being inactive because of some random theoretical discussions that happened outside this game? Well, that's not that, it's related to this game and above. so obviously the stuff above is based on the fact that if you're mafia and you shot 2 scumbuddies you're gonna win and whatever, and I thought bats was town all game and fakeclaiming cop when there's a miller seems really risky, so gotta take the punt that he's town, which leaves the above. Anyway since the modkills and since you shot Koshi, the breathing room for mafia has been restricting faster and faster. Lots of the "scummy" townies died, and hero-vig shot multiple mafia. We saw the first instance of this breathing room evaporating during the night phase, where jat was pretty certain I was town at one stage, and then when I'm relentlessly keeping on him, he's basically forced to call me mafia. It's not even a mistake for him to do it, because he needs outs and he's running out of outs. Today the situation is even clearer - my post above. I'm essentially choosing between rsou and LS, and they really have to choose between each other with a side of me. It's the main reason that I trapped rsoultin earlier in the phase and made her admit that bats was very likely town - I needed the net to close and make things clear. Now, whichever of rsoultin or LS is mafia, they need two mislynches. Each other's not enough. I've closed the door on bats. This means that by necessity I will need to be the next mislynch, because going back to bats is very difficult after what I said today. So what have we got? LS seemed ok to close the door on bats, with no particular qualms, I don't see anything unnatural about it (other than usual LS hilarious weirdness which is nothing). rsoultin is in a different spot. Can't go for bats anymore. She's been calling my miller thing preeeetty ironclad, which frankly it is. Not only that, but she set her stall out before that I'm town for gameplay reasons. But now again the net is closing, and we have the jat situation repeating again. She is forced to call me mafia. Why is she forced? Because if she sticks to the (totally correct) idea that my miller claim makes me pretty lock town, and sticks to the idea that I'm town, then she'd also have to be ok with rsoultin and LS being lynched in a row which locks up the game for town (that's the situation I am in personally). But she can't be ok with that because that doesn't work for mafia. So on the one hand LS is calling me 100% town. And on the other rsoultin is forced to try to open the door to lynching me, after I closed the door on lynching bats. | ||
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So we lynch RSo and she flips town. What then? | ||
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marvellosity
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Maybe 80-19 and you and bats can have 1 split between you | ||
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On February 11 2015 07:14 marvellosity wrote: essentially if i don't get it right today, and you get killed during the night, i'm doomed at lylo. so we have to be right today imo. i just had some big post typed out about how you are also keeping your options open as mafia but then remembered bats wants to lynch you and that you would be gone at lylo. | ||
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On February 11 2015 00:43 marvellosity wrote: ##Vote: rsoultin This is where I stand at the moment. I think a lot of the bizarre interactions between mafia lend themselves to rsoultin being mafia. The whole Koshi/rs/jat stuff on n1->d2 especially. Additionally, going back to check Carol reminds me of how town leader-y rsoultin was in that game. She was powerful and persuasive (if wrong). This game she is neither powerful nor persuasive, she's more of a backseat passenger. Reading LS's filter, frankly it just looks quite town to me. The timing of the jat case which I jumped on at the time was nowhere near as bad as I thought. For some reason I remembered it coming right at EoD when it came the next day, not sure what happened there. And I think there are some gems in LS's filter that I can't see him replicating as mafia. Whereas I think rsoultin can replicate everything she did as mafia. I admit I'm not completely certain, I don't know how I can be expected to be. But I think there's a difference between uncertainty and stuff, and the necessity for mafia to reintroduce me to the lynch discussion. rsoultin actually has nothing except "you're calling me mafia" Also, see bolded: I think I set my stall out quite clearly on what I think the solution is. Whereas rsoultin should absolutely be going for LS today, LS should be a near banker for her given everything that she has said about me, especially the miller stuff. But that's not how it reads is it? | ||
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like the stuff about the mafia roles, forgetting framer, all that stuff i don't think he's artful enough for going after eden mid-day 2 picking up on the rsoultin-koshi joke thing (whether it's correct or not is beside the point, it's that he found it and commented and pushed it) Also I accept LS's point about the fact he was coached in his last mafia game, and even if he was coached here he's done infinitely better. | ||
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rsoultin
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you know, marv, I find it very, very interesting that you can take me from super, very, very town to "she can do this as either alignment", and ls from definite scum to a nice way of essentially saying "he's too bad a player to post like this and still be scum", while in the same breath imply that if I ever change my reads for any reason it's scummy? using your miller claim as your defense, no less, when it seems we either should or shouldn't believe it according to whatever better suits your agenda at the moment gah, I still need to read filters, bresh, but my knee-jerk reaction to this (OMGUS I'll admit) is he just described his own mafia motivation for his sudden read changes to a T | ||
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marvellosity
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never changed my opinion on the miller claim. | ||
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