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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 02:41 GMT
#4731
On February 09 2015 11:37 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 11:33 rsoultin wrote:
On February 09 2015 11:24 Breshke wrote:
I thought if we shot JAT and if he flipped scum that wasn't GF then obviously bats is fake. Forgot there could be a framer. I seriously am going to stop with the setup speculation


Nah, that won't confirm bats one way or another, unfortunately. Shooting bats would confirm bats, but then you lose a check if he really is the cop and that doesn't prove anything about jat, either, unless bats flip scum.


it still doesn't prove anything anyway


That's true, too >< well...whoever you shoot will narrow the lynch pool? If it were me I'd stick with people whose alignments are hard to determine, cause they're easier to mislynch, but I don't know that there's really a wrong answer here except shooting Eden and maybe marv.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 02:47 GMT
#4734
On February 09 2015 11:45 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 11:41 rsoultin wrote:
On February 09 2015 11:37 Breshke wrote:
On February 09 2015 11:33 rsoultin wrote:
On February 09 2015 11:24 Breshke wrote:
I thought if we shot JAT and if he flipped scum that wasn't GF then obviously bats is fake. Forgot there could be a framer. I seriously am going to stop with the setup speculation


Nah, that won't confirm bats one way or another, unfortunately. Shooting bats would confirm bats, but then you lose a check if he really is the cop and that doesn't prove anything about jat, either, unless bats flip scum.


it still doesn't prove anything anyway


That's true, too >< well...whoever you shoot will narrow the lynch pool? If it were me I'd stick with people whose alignments are hard to determine, cause they're easier to mislynch, but I don't know that there's really a wrong answer here except shooting Eden and maybe marv.


haha you forgot to include your name


lol is it arrogant that I didn't even consider myself as a possibility? xP
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 02:50 GMT
#4735
On February 09 2015 11:47 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 11:45 Breshke wrote:
On February 09 2015 11:41 rsoultin wrote:
On February 09 2015 11:37 Breshke wrote:
On February 09 2015 11:33 rsoultin wrote:
On February 09 2015 11:24 Breshke wrote:
I thought if we shot JAT and if he flipped scum that wasn't GF then obviously bats is fake. Forgot there could be a framer. I seriously am going to stop with the setup speculation


Nah, that won't confirm bats one way or another, unfortunately. Shooting bats would confirm bats, but then you lose a check if he really is the cop and that doesn't prove anything about jat, either, unless bats flip scum.


it still doesn't prove anything anyway


That's true, too >< well...whoever you shoot will narrow the lynch pool? If it were me I'd stick with people whose alignments are hard to determine, cause they're easier to mislynch, but I don't know that there's really a wrong answer here except shooting Eden and maybe marv.


haha you forgot to include your name


lol is it arrogant that I didn't even consider myself as a possibility? xP


EBWOP:
Seriously, though, if you have doubts and want to shoot me, have at it. Not gonna help you solve the game, though, lol
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 03:03 GMT
#4737
LS, I've got a question for you.

Have you read jat's town and scum games? I'm looking through Void now, but not doing a comparison as both alignments is going to produce flawed conclusions. I've never played with jat before, which makes me reluctant to evaluate his meta. His behavior in this game has been scummy enough on it's own to worry about a bats/jat scumteam or a gf/framer. Also should probably look at a scum game under his own name instead of a smurf, since I think people go out of their way not to reveal who they are on smurfs.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 03:34 GMT
#4741
this is a little painful lol, he was obnoxious in void

preliminary observations (i'm only like 15% through it) he was comfortable lightly pressuring his scummates, but wasn't really giving out many reads, just picking at things or snarking
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 03:39 GMT
#4744
lol, i'm only 15% through it eden, and I still think this is a really imperfect way to determine alignment. I won't have time to compare a town game to this, yet alone multiple
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 03:44 GMT
#4745
On February 09 2015 12:35 Eden1892 wrote:
Yep fuck it let's shoot bats. If he flips scum JAT cannot possibly be town.

We know there's a vig and honestly it never really made sense for scum vig not to shoot town, so Breshke is town. No way town has a cop and a 2-shot vig and mafia doesn't even have an rb to save Koshi with, and we already invalidated the only conspiracy theory for not saving Koshi that really made sense (except I guess for subbing in marv for HF).

Actually maybe we shoot JAT? After all my only teams left are JAT/marv and JAT/bats...


well, unless you're worried that town won't lynch JAT tomorrow, it may be better to shoot into a question mark? I don't think we'd be any closer to an answer on who the third scum is if JAT is shot and flips scum...even if he flips gf really cause that doesn't preclude bats from fake-claiming
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 03:55 GMT
#4746
Actually, if there's a GF there should be a cop or the setup's really weird, and bats should already be CC'd, so the only problem is if he flips something other than the GF. Disregard that last statement.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 04:06 GMT
#4748
On February 09 2015 12:57 Breshke wrote:
Yeah something has been nagging me.

A cop check was really risky on JAT with the chance of me shooting him


Did you ever commit to koshi in-thread? I know HF was saying to shoot, and so was I. Like, I fully expected you to shoot koshi, myself, but that doesn't mean you explicitly said it.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 04:12 GMT
#4749
On February 09 2015 13:06 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 12:57 Breshke wrote:
Yeah something has been nagging me.

A cop check was really risky on JAT with the chance of me shooting him


Did you ever commit to koshi in-thread? I know HF was saying to shoot, and so was I. Like, I fully expected you to shoot koshi, myself, but that doesn't mean you explicitly said it.


EBWOP:
Or at least say the next day that you made the attempt to xP lol
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 04:25 GMT
#4753
I forgot jat was in mini...was he killed early or something?

heh, just found jat ironically making the same argument against HF in Void as he did here, saying he wasn't pushing his "top scumread" at EoD when HF called him scum

that's ironic
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 04:28 GMT
#4758
On February 09 2015 13:21 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 12:03 rsoultin wrote:
LS, I've got a question for you.

Have you read jat's town and scum games? I'm looking through Void now, but not doing a comparison as both alignments is going to produce flawed conclusions. I've never played with jat before, which makes me reluctant to evaluate his meta. His behavior in this game has been scummy enough on it's own to worry about a bats/jat scumteam or a gf/framer. Also should probably look at a scum game under his own name instead of a smurf, since I think people go out of their way not to reveal who they are on smurfs.

I played with JAT as town and saw him play scum in Void and he was a lot less hissy pissy as town than Void and this game and he much more engaging with people for example in Metal Mini he was engaging me with lots of questions asking me why I gave the answer I did and tried to figure it out my alignment in Page 2-4 in his filter in Metal Mini.
Here was the game I played with JAT when we were both town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/473002-metal-mini-mafia?user=justanothertownie
I will check for another game when he was playing his main account.


honestly, ls, the writing style of obnoxious one-liners, sarcasm and leading questions is striking me as very similar across games xP
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 04:30 GMT
#4759
On February 09 2015 13:27 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 13:25 rsoultin wrote:
I forgot jat was in mini...was he killed early or something?

heh, just found jat ironically making the same argument against HF in Void as he did here, saying he wasn't pushing his "top scumread" at EoD when HF called him scum

that's ironic

Ironic? More like JAT scum times in a row?


Only if that's an argument he wouldn't also make as town? It does support HF's point that there's no way jat doesn't realize that HF can switch scumreads as town, though.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 04:35 GMT
#4760
LS, can you tell me why JAT is scum this game? I'm not going to be able to do a proper meta analysis, and frankly I don't trust myself much with them, anyway.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 04:39 GMT
#4762
On February 09 2015 13:36 LightningStrike wrote:
Tomorrow morning I will because I getting sleepy atm so in the morning I will make my case on JAT being scum.


Fair enough.

Probably headed to bed myself. Breshke, Eden, anything else y'all want to talk about?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 04:54 GMT
#4765
On February 09 2015 13:44 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 13:39 rsoultin wrote:
On February 09 2015 13:36 LightningStrike wrote:
Tomorrow morning I will because I getting sleepy atm so in the morning I will make my case on JAT being scum.


Fair enough.

Probably headed to bed myself. Breshke, Eden, anything else y'all want to talk about?

Am I a glory hog for shoot JAT lynch marv?


lol maybe just a little xP you still want to lynch marv?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 04:57 GMT
#4767
On February 09 2015 13:47 Breshke wrote:
Marv/LS
Marv/JaT
Bats/JAT
LS/JAT

These are the only teams that make sense to me


I just still find that miller CC so unlikely to come from scum. Especially a scumMarv based on when we were discussing another game.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 05:00 GMT
#4768
On February 09 2015 13:56 Eden1892 wrote:
I want skins on the wall, and it seems more legit if I earn the skins myself instead of telling Breshke who to shoot.

Breshke, I think you should shoot JAT and go from there.


Well, I told y'all what I'd do xP but like I said, there probably isn't really a wrong answer here, cause we're at the point where almost any shot will tell us something.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 05:13 GMT
#4772
On February 09 2015 14:04 Eden1892 wrote:
Oh wait lol

Breshke shoot JAT always. He's the best pick for mafia right now + we might learn something about bats (depending on the flip) + we might learn something about the mafia (depending on flip) + if he's somehow town then we at least know that much instead of spending forever speculating about it + between marv and JAT I trust marv to bleed town more


lol, this works, too. okay, well, I really do need to get some sleep. it's getting late
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 09 2015 05:16 GMT
#4773
On February 09 2015 14:12 Breshke wrote:
okay lets look at this

If Jat flips town I am like 90% sure it confirms bat as town. Bat has been under like zero pressure and has seem to be associating himself with JAT so either he made a sick play or he can only be mafia with JAT. So then i think we lynch marv and LS and win

If Jat flips godfather i think it also confirms bats as town because then mafia's only PR (assuming no rb) does nothing against our only PR. Then i think we lynch marv and ls and win

If Jat flips goon then i don't really see any conclusions that can be come to because there could be a framer.


that sounds about right. like, the first two wouldn't confirm bats 100%, but you could drop him to the bottom of the lynch pool and just congratulate him for baller play if he fooled us lol
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
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