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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 09 2015 00:44 GMT
#4691
Ask away Breshke.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 09 2015 00:48 GMT
#4694
There is a GF in this game Breshke so ofc the GF will appear green when checked by a cop so that means that JAT is most likely the GF.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 09 2015 00:54 GMT
#4696
You are correct there doesn't have to be but I think it more likely than not based on the Miller claim and the Cop being in the game so theoretically possible that there isn't a GF but I think it makes sense to have a GF because of the Cop. We had a GF in Metal Mini and a SK if you remember that Breshke
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 09 2015 01:06 GMT
#4698
I just assuming there is a GF.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 09 2015 02:12 GMT
#4715
Sorry I was playing LoL game and HF's case on JAT is legit now that we seen HF flip Town and he made many good points on JAT and honestly the bully behavior that JAT displayed this game when people were voting is consistent with his behavior in Void mafia where he bullied people off him in the entire game as scum. Here's his filter from that game although he just was smurfing in that game that is why the name might be off
His scum game in Void: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475749-the-void-mafia?user=Wile E. Coyote
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 09 2015 02:19 GMT
#4718
rsoultin can you filter dive into JAT's scum game on Void and tell me this game isn't his scum game.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 09 2015 02:28 GMT
#4723
On February 09 2015 11:20 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 11:12 LightningStrike wrote:
Sorry I was playing LoL game and HF's case on JAT is legit now that we seen HF flip Town and he made many good points on JAT and honestly the bully behavior that JAT displayed this game when people were voting is consistent with his behavior in Void mafia where he bullied people off him in the entire game as scum. Here's his filter from that game although he just was smurfing in that game that is why the name might be off
His scum game in Void: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475749-the-void-mafia?user=Wile E. Coyote

Why does HF flipping make his case on JAT any more legit? The points are as equally valid or invalid as they were before. HF flipping town just confirms that they weren't coming from mafia.

It makes it more valid for me since JAT was the first person to push HF all of Day 2 and with HF making the case and rereading void this game is pretty much got mafia JAT not town JAT. I suggest you read his entire Void Mafia filter because his play so far now reminding me of his play in Void where he was Mafia.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 09 2015 02:31 GMT
#4724
On February 09 2015 11:21 rsoultin wrote:
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On February 09 2015 11:19 LightningStrike wrote:
rsoultin can you filter dive into JAT's scum game on Void and tell me this game isn't his scum game.


That's 26 pages of filter right there, LS. It would help me a lot if you had specific pages/examples to back up your point.

I think it's better if you dive into the entire game but take it in chunks if you have to because of the fact you might be working tomorrow.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 09 2015 02:39 GMT
#4729
Oh you need HF's filter from that game too I guess. Here's HF's filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475749-the-void-mafia?user=Holyflare
I will look for the case from JAT and explain everything myself when I get time after my clan meeting.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 09 2015 02:40 GMT
#4730
On February 09 2015 11:37 rsoultin wrote:
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On February 09 2015 11:31 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 09 2015 11:21 rsoultin wrote:
On February 09 2015 11:19 LightningStrike wrote:
rsoultin can you filter dive into JAT's scum game on Void and tell me this game isn't his scum game.


That's 26 pages of filter right there, LS. It would help me a lot if you had specific pages/examples to back up your point.

I think it's better if you dive into the entire game but take it in chunks if you have to because of the fact you might be working tomorrow.


LS, I really do not have the time between now and EoN to read a 174-page game.

I mean his entire filter.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 09 2015 04:21 GMT
#4751
On February 09 2015 12:03 rsoultin wrote:
LS, I've got a question for you.

Have you read jat's town and scum games? I'm looking through Void now, but not doing a comparison as both alignments is going to produce flawed conclusions. I've never played with jat before, which makes me reluctant to evaluate his meta. His behavior in this game has been scummy enough on it's own to worry about a bats/jat scumteam or a gf/framer. Also should probably look at a scum game under his own name instead of a smurf, since I think people go out of their way not to reveal who they are on smurfs.

I played with JAT as town and saw him play scum in Void and he was a lot less hissy pissy as town than Void and this game and he much more engaging with people for example in Metal Mini he was engaging me with lots of questions asking me why I gave the answer I did and tried to figure it out my alignment in Page 2-4 in his filter in Metal Mini.
Here was the game I played with JAT when we were both town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/473002-metal-mini-mafia?user=justanothertownie
I will check for another game when he was playing his main account.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 09 2015 04:26 GMT
#4755
He was NK'd in N1 in Metal and I did point a spot to look at
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 09 2015 04:27 GMT
#4756
On February 09 2015 13:25 rsoultin wrote:
I forgot jat was in mini...was he killed early or something?

heh, just found jat ironically making the same argument against HF in Void as he did here, saying he wasn't pushing his "top scumread" at EoD when HF called him scum

that's ironic

Ironic? More like JAT scum times in a row?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 09 2015 04:27 GMT
#4757
On February 09 2015 13:27 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 13:25 rsoultin wrote:
I forgot jat was in mini...was he killed early or something?

heh, just found jat ironically making the same argument against HF in Void as he did here, saying he wasn't pushing his "top scumread" at EoD when HF called him scum

that's ironic

Ironic? More like JAT scum 2 times in a row?

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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 09 2015 04:36 GMT
#4761
Tomorrow morning I will because I getting sleepy atm so in the morning I will make my case on JAT being scum.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 09 2015 15:57 GMT
#4833
Okay guys I'm back and now I bring the case on why JAT is confirmed Mafia. Now lets start with my first piece of evidence his case on HF on page 15 of his filter:
On February 07 2015 23:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, so first of all HF is one of the best if not the best scum player on this site. You won't catch him for being inactive uninteresting or any of this shit and he will bus teammates who are playing badly. He will say towny stuff from time to time and he is also perfectly able to "mindmeld" with you at times. You need to look for the agenda he is pushing.

This is why he is mafia:

This is the start of his rsoultin scumread day1. From now on she is basically his #1 scumread.
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On February 05 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:
I mean if i'm honest I'm probably more sure about rs than damdy

Show nested quote +
On February 05 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
yeh rsoul is green when I just gave the best case against her ever

Show nested quote +
On February 05 2015 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
rs is like the biggest mafia and hardly anyone is mentioning her and goes off making cases on other people instead

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On February 05 2015 10:10 Holyflare wrote:
On February 05 2015 10:07 Eden1892 wrote:
And shit you said Damdred got more townie. So even if rsoultin didn't, it's bullshit that you're telling me you still have a scumread and so you're content with being lazy.


it is what it is, rsoul has literally posted nothing all game and it hasn't really changed i don't care what your gut tells you or not

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On February 06 2015 02:50 Holyflare wrote:
On February 06 2015 02:45 batsnacks wrote:
On February 06 2015 02:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm at a crossroads between just not giving a crap about the game and giving a modicum of care towards the game with an emphasis on the former and it's somewhat annoying to me.

Nobody even mentioned me other than eden and i haven't even done anything this game really which is super boring and probably means mafia is the weaker players.


I'd vote you if that makes you feel better.

Breshke though... Really...


I'm more inclined to vote rs tbh


But when the deadline comes nearer and people are not all about lynching rsoultin he completely forgets about the read. He isn't decided on who to lynch and has MULTIPLE different targets suddenly that he keeps pushing really hard:
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On February 06 2015 07:52 Holyflare wrote:
let's kill oneguuuuuuuuuu

if i'm wrong you can flame me for wasting your time

Show nested quote +
On February 06 2015 07:56 Holyflare wrote:
abandon wagon ABANDON WAGON

SHEEP TO DAMDRED OR I LYNCH YOU TOMORROW

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On February 06 2015 07:57 Holyflare wrote:
god this breshke is actually 100% mafia or something

Notice how ALL of those are town and he can jump between them as much as he wants if he is mafia. No mention of rsoulting ever during all of this.
So what has rsoultin done to make him forget about her? The answer is absolutely nothing. She disappeared like he will say himself later.

Ok, so mislynch accomplished. Back to scumreading rsoultin immediately:
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On February 06 2015 08:24 Holyflare wrote:
it's funny how rsoul just appeared at deadline to vote onegu and then completely disappeared again so probably 100% breshke/jat/rsoul


So, I point this out and this is his reaction:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
How have I treated rs? I've thought she was mafia all game and at deadline onegu was way more convincing mafia but then he wasn't mafia so i went back to talking about rs being mafia?

Then where was this read during eod? He literally went after 3 other people and said nothing about her.
If you want to know how town HF handles his scumreads eod look at void mafia. He scumread HTS and pushed her hard even though noone else really was up for it besides Kelsier. He didn't give a fuck about other targets - he pushed HIS scumread.
Now he claimes he scumread rsoulting all game and then he does nothing about getting her lynched? There is no way town HF does this.
He is INSISTING that he never dropped his rsoultin reads though:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 01:24 Holyflare wrote:
No it's not he said my read progression is damning because I drop it when I haven't


And then the real gem comes:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 02:00 Holyflare wrote:
I'm also going to preemptively defend myself from a jat onslaught by saying i wasn't invested in this game at all until deadline so my rs read isn't very concrete compared to reads i was making in real time then. Seeing as I was mostly trolling, apart from the nagging what if on damdred.

Not only can you easily see the guilty conscience - he knows I am town and that I caught him and will push him - but SUDDENLY HIS READ WASN'T VERY CONCRETE?
Read the posts I quoted earlier again and decide for yourself if you want to believe this and keep in mind that he "scumread rsoultin all game" and "never dropped the read".

This guy is mafia. I will show more reasons but this rsoultin read evolution is damning enough on it's own and I don't want the post to get too big.

On February 07 2015 23:51 justanothertownie wrote:
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On February 06 2015 08:51 Holyflare wrote:
pretty sure a town jat would have switched to onegu when I was pushing for it

Then we have this reasoning for scumreading me which makes no sense in the first place since I had more reasons to scumread SL than Onegu but even if we ignore this - why would I as scum make myself look bad by not following town marv and HF around (which I have done as scum before) if all lynch targets are town anyways and I could just switch as often as I want?
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On February 06 2015 09:33 Holyflare wrote:
yeh mafia is undeniably palmar or jat because they are just the type of people to qq in their scum qt/pms about modkilling

I already commented on this post. It is just another awful reason to push me.
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On February 06 2015 13:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm still 100% lynching jat though he's done a void all over again where he avoids all the wagons and reasoning while still agreeing with it. He did the exact same thing in heavyweight too.

Flat out lying when I clearly WAS on one of the wagons and was also pushing it. Saying I avoided wagons in heavyweight is also a straight lie.

Then his defense against me:
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On February 07 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote:
It's absolutely not irrelevant because do you see him talking about rsoul at deadline? Absolutely not so if he is town then why does his read make sense to him when he did the same thing?

This is absolutely irrelevant. I was not the one pushing rsoulting as my top scumread.
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On February 07 2015 01:32 Holyflare wrote:
On February 07 2015 01:26 marvellosity wrote:
his rsoul read came subsequently, pretty obviously, and yours didn't

so.


Rsoul has been in his poe list and someone he could have lynched the entire game and he barely ever commented on her

Like it doesn't matter anyway because his read is totally irrelevant if you read the deadline and if it's his only proper read this game when it should be pretty damn easy to poe the majority of mafia then he doesn't have much hope

Another lie. He said this when I had just poe'ed the mafia team a few posts before this. Still going on about how I read rsoultin which has nothing to do with my argument against him.
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On February 07 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
which is a pain because my effort level is low and i know jat is just going to whine and make it difficult to lynch him

He knows I am town and won't let myself be mislynched without putting up a fight.

Now if you looked in Void Mafia he was just as aggressive towards HF at Pages 1,2, and 3 of his filter on these same type of behavior towards a different player named Half the Sky before turned his attention to his scum read Marv in that game. Also note his behavior after HF backed off of JAT , JAT started to like him in Void Mafia at page 4.
From Void Mafia:
On January 21 2015 04:27 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 23:12 marvellosity wrote:
On January 20 2015 22:10 marvellosity wrote:
I'm pretty confident on one mafia, but you're gonna have to wait for those pearls of wisdom until tomorrow.

P.S. I thought HF was leaning town already due to how he backed off his Wile push.

^
I liked that too but he would've made himself look pretty awful had he kept pushing.

Now if you look at his behavior regarding the votes on him or prssure on him he just attacked everyone including me and HF in this game. He did similar behavior throughout Void Mafia as scum and here is a convenient quote that JAT also in this game when someone mention him as scum in void Mafia when Koshi was town:
On January 23 2015 08:03 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2015 08:02 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. Tomorrow I sheep HF. Just got to check he isnt as crazy as I was in the previous game. Maybe lynch Wile and then HTS. But hts will have to go soon.

no comment

and now here's some similar type of quotes from this game:
On February 09 2015 03:12 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 03:09 Holyflare wrote:
I still think it's jat :p

No comment.

On February 09 2015 02:54 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 02:52 batsnacks wrote:
On February 09 2015 02:52 marvellosity wrote:
HF is 100% mafia, don't tell I didn't tell you so Eden.

DO NOT SAY I DID NOT TELL YOU SO.


jat is mafia too?

That's the part where it gets ridiculous.

Notice how he got angry on people wanting to lynch him throughout this game and in void he displayed the same behavior. When I played with him in Metal Mini he didn't seem to get mad as easily as this game and was activly solve the game there too.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 09 2015 16:26 GMT
#4885
On February 10 2015 01:26 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2015 01:24 marvellosity wrote:
On February 10 2015 01:23 justanothertownie wrote:
On February 10 2015 01:22 marvellosity wrote:
can't wait till Breshke makes the wrong shot, mafia vigi hit their shot and town lose tonight

it's gonna be baller

You think I am scum AND there is a mafia vigi? How on earth does that make sense?

why not?

Mafia vigi + roles that fuck with the cop? Really? I am a greencheck remember?

Godfather bro Godfather.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 09 2015 16:31 GMT
#4902
Okay bats fakeclaimed cop and now claims medic. What the hell is going on other than JAT is Mafia?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 09 2015 16:41 GMT
#4930
Marv what you think of bats fakeclaiming cop and now coming out as a medic?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 09 2015 16:48 GMT
#4942
It's you and someone else JAT if Breshke is willing to shoot me over you despite the fact I made the case on you so be it.
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