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The issue with instant majority as I'm realising now in Hammertime is that people can get hammered in their sleep, and the silent night just compounds the problem as a potential nightkill is unable to get out information they can think before they are likely to be nightkilled. | ||
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Eh, guess I'll stay in the game and catch up tomorrow morning then. | ||
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I'm home now, and as such, I am catching up in the wee hours here, and will share any thoughts I have before I crash <3 | ||
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On January 31 2015 12:40 Holyflare wrote: goddd you're not even drunk what kind of date was that Eh, I'm pretty tipsy actually. But not totally falling over, Holyflare. | ||
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I need to look harder at SL/HF convo, but on my first read: (those not listed, just assume null for now) LS - for now appears town, given his exp with blue roles and in games where there have been multiple claims. Had claimed in Student V prematurely so comments appear genuine. Damdred - explaining the setup, eh, I could go either way on this. Especially since there is the possibility of modifications as Chez pointed out. I've seen people misunderstand mechanics, at least in my student games. His enthusiasm itself should not be scum read - I know where he's coming from having been in the two games (well hosted one of them) he's just come out of them. He's being genuine. Eden - seemed just as sarcastic as he was in Hammertime, he seems carefree enough that he's town, even if this is a weak read. Robik - definite town, don't agree with the claim so early, but I do see why I did it. Sicklucker - had the exact same impression as Damdred, is appearing quite defensive and more serious than I'm used to seeing him. Granted he's in another game, so I'm not sure whether this is part of the issue. I can also related I was also doubled up in Newbie LX (as scum in that game) and was frazzled in my second game (NYE Party) as a result, trying to skate by on the bare minimum eventually. So to me, it's quite feasible he could be feeling the same way. Marv - tone read is coming off the same way he was in Void, not doing much yet, but can't really read him either way at the moment. | ||
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On January 31 2015 12:52 Holyflare wrote: i was supposed to go out to piccadilly institute and shit but that place is far too expensive  Ah I've not been there yet. You're in London too? We went to Kettner's. They are expensive but we wanted to give it a try. | ||
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He should have unvoted IMO. Eden's sarcasm threw me off, and I just know that in Hammertime, he was fairly sarcastic much of D1, and it took me a bit of time to figure out when he was going to start playing that game, and others had scumread him for his sarcasm (wrongly). | ||
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On January 31 2015 11:17 Damdred wrote: Why is Sl giving LS such a hard town read for play that's againdt his usual meta? LS is different but Sl sounds like tmi I'm not hard town reading LS, but nothing weird is jumping out at me with LS yet. Play seems similar to Newbie play here at least from what I've read so far. | ||
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On January 31 2015 13:36 sicklucker wrote: Edens scum because hes calling me salty about the robik thing while calling me mafia. If im mafia im not salty I would acualy be quite happy about . Therefor I propose that eden is certainly scum. Sicklucker, why are you talking in absolutes? | ||
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On January 31 2015 09:37 Holyflare wrote: if damdred's reason for scum reading you makes sense and he copied my original scum read on you (not the later stuff) then why does MY scum read on you not make sense at all???????? Eden's is ALSO THE SAME AS DAMDRED'S but he has some super sketchy actions about it. There were a few others on page 17-18 I think he missed too.... | ||
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On January 31 2015 13:40 sicklucker wrote: Marvs posted quite abit. Hes also pushing palmer. SCUM MARV WOULD NEVER PUSH PALMER D1 What are you talking about? Two page filter for Marv, mostly one-liners, no interaction between the two, the only post on Palmar is this: On January 31 2015 09:23 marvellosity wrote: anyway, i stand by my kill Palmar stance. excellent stance. | ||
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SL, answering those questions on your own time is not the best way to get him to townread you. Just saying. | ||
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On January 31 2015 13:04 Holyflare wrote: I can already predict the future btw... sl will return and comment on only one post and then talk about it and some other nonsense related to it and skip over every other post completely History just might be repeating itself FYI... | ||
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On January 31 2015 13:46 sicklucker wrote: Like mafia marv doesint want to try. He wants to put in the minimum effort. He wont push palmer day1 as scum. When he was scum recently he didnt even push palmer when he was lynched on day 5 I want to respond to this, but the information I have is related to a current ongoing game....argh. | ||
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And speaking of stupid late, it really is. It's almost 5am. I'm going to call it a night. Will continue to crack this game when I wake up. Good night lovelies <3 | ||
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On January 31 2015 13:51 Trfel wrote: Yeah, no clue why you Europeans stay up so late XD Though to be fair, I often stay up so late that you guys go to sleep and wake back up and start posting before I finally sleep.... I went out tonight, and I stepped out just as this game began, so I didn't want to fall much further behind tbh. Generally I don't stay up very late at all if I am staying in. Anyhow, off with me. | ||
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Catching up. I have an hour before Pilates, but will keep burning through this afterwards. | ||
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She calls me boring. Ironic because both of us were playing catchup last night because of RL commitments and she started commenting even later than I did. So I'm not sure what that makes her, really. | ||
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Sicklucker is still dodging questions. Surprise, surprise... | ||
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On January 31 2015 17:06 Trfel wrote: Sicklucker has been acting suspiciously this game, and I'm inclined to scumread him. But I've always had a ton of trouble reading sicklucker. Our playstyles are basically complete opposites, so I have a lot of trouble understanding what he is trying to do, and I often can't understand his logic. Basically, I don't expect town!sicklucker or mafia!sicklucker would be able to answer all of the questions asked to him in ways that would satisfy me. Hopefully sicklucker will get some time to talk about other parts of the thread more, so we can get a better read on him. How about when he's hardly answering ANY of the questions or saying he'll answer them later? | ||
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No idea where he's going with his ideas. His linked explanation to Fecalfeast's vote simply linked to his filter. Why don't you explain exactly what about Fecalfeast made him scumlike? Then he asks Marv whether he's a distro, when his vote is on him. Where did that come from? | ||
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On January 31 2015 20:28 marvellosity wrote: what has that got to do with anything? wtf? Sicklucker was trying to read you, and I didn't understand where he was getting alignment indicative information from, when you had posted so little. At the time he was reading you it was late for us. | ||
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BTW, scum can make jokes too. | ||
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On January 31 2015 23:56 Damdred wrote: Hts tell me about two people you haven't mentioned yet Let's see if I can get any information off FF and anything additional off Trfel. Think I commented on everyone else. Eden I agree with you though - he's looking better since splitting phrases with Sicklucker. | ||
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On January 31 2015 23:50 rsoultin wrote: I like chez. He at least is entertaining. I get the "a happy marv is a townie marv" read, even if I'm not entirely sure how accurate it is. Plus he made a funny. If he dies today the rest of you will bore me to tears ;o; Earlier she said this about me: On January 31 2015 23:40 rsoultin wrote: You're boring cause all you're doing is making excuses and posting list posts that don't dazzle me. I like to be dazzled. Come at me bae. And from what I can tell of Chez, he's not quite doing anything substantial. At least not in terms of solving the game...yet. Not from which I can tell. | ||
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On January 31 2015 07:11 Fecalfeast wrote: So I am thinking scum!damdred wouldn't talk about scum strategy in thread, what's the point as scum to talk about what scum knows and needs to confirm in thread? The over-explaination doesn't feel scummy to me idk I would think overexplanation of things is generally a scum trait, but it could be faulty reasoning. Not much to glean from most of his posts at the moment. I get this thought of laziness from the first few hours of the game. This quote is also a potential issue: On January 31 2015 13:14 Fecalfeast wrote: Can I just be your hype man this game HF? I'll stand behind you looking tough and intimidating while sporadically interjecting with generic agreements. Now as I said, I'm reading HF as town. But the issue with this quote is a few things: 1 not an interest to solve the game himself 2 HF obv not confirmed town - if both are scum, this could be quite dangerous 3 Could be a scum trying to take advantage of a possible incorrect read by HF On these two quotes, he doesn't look so good, but let's see if he picks things up. | ||
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If he's town he could be hard claiming and just being lazy. Thing is, he's not doing a whole lot so far. He voted you, and based on what I know, he's not pushing you. So that's a possible red flag. Think he said something along the lines of "it only matters to me or something" and then when HF calls him out, he talks about formatting. So I'm confused there. Also of all the other things he's said, I looked at these: On January 31 2015 07:00 IAmRobik wrote: Cause your case revolves around him talking about the setup, and while his posts aren't useful, they're not scummy. On January 31 2015 07:08 IAmRobik wrote: When I first started here, I would say setup speculation was really scummy. But then I realized that most TLers suck at mafia, so I can see why they would default to talking about shit that doesn't matter First quote seems noncomittal, I feel and second quote he's making a generalisation when you were the one that made the quote. I think he'd have been more town if he specifically commented on YOU making that quote. | ||
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Will touch on that when I return. | ||
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On February 01 2015 00:40 Damdred wrote: Really hard disbelief/doubt on robik claim when it happened. This is interesting to me because of the difference in what Trfel did and thread. People were mad at Rob claiming but believed it, brownies generally believe claims due to it adding more information and game being slightly easier even if it's bad. Mafia already knew partial setup, and disbelief to robik claim could be a Scum slip from to much info. I'm back. Damdred, I saw this. I think if he was confused, he should have asked. Trfel IS inexperienced, but a townie would be trying to ask first instead of disregarding the evidence. Granted I was scum in that game but the point stands. If Trfel does turn out to be scum, maybe it's possible we should look into Robik. I know it's early for associative reads and they are poor but it's just a thought. | ||
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On February 01 2015 01:03 Damdred wrote: IDK why Trfel would change his town game he's always obvious town and is impactful when he plays meh To be fair Damdred, in past obs QTs, he has expressed some frustration at getting killed prematurely. His first two games, he was a blue, and third game in Newbie, we (I was scum in that game) killed him because he's solid at making cases. | ||
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On February 01 2015 02:28 Holyflare wrote: We can lynch palmar for free mafia today Palmar is striking me as policy, unless you're metaing him for scum. | ||
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On January 31 2015 06:13 Trfel wrote: And the reason for that is to generate discussion. I'm not sure if that is Robik's intent here. If it is, then my talking about it is good. If it isn't, it would be nice to know the real reason for why he did this? I guess, I would think that feeding the mafia a free blue role (even if it is just a named VT) would not offset the benefits of his claim. In fact, I'm not really convinced that he is town. Should I be? Hold on. I stand corrected on Trfel. He DID ask....however, this DOES sound waffly. He doesn't seem to have the information, he's asking and then concludes he's not convinced he's town? Is anyone else confused by this? | ||
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On January 31 2015 17:06 Trfel wrote: I still don't like Robik's claim, and I don't think it makes him confirmed town. I asked a few times for an explanation, and no one really gave one, so I'll just ignore this for now. If it comes down to this in later stages of the game, I'll take another look. Roles, setup, and claims really aren't something I understand. So Trfel, you don't understand claims coming out of Student Mafia where two people claimed, one claim of which brought you down. You came to me after Carol saying you liked my play at the end, where I claimed medic to save myself. People have also claimed VT in some of the games you have played. Basically you've had enough games where there's been many claims, or you have observed them. My conclusion here is that I don't find what you are saying believable. | ||
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On February 01 2015 03:03 Holyflare wrote: ls seems pretty towny to me? That's how I feel, but Damdred apparently feels otherwise. I'm double checking to make sure I didn't miss something. | ||
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On February 01 2015 02:54 Holyflare wrote: absolutely 0 policy, chez even linked a post where he says he lynches all people that haven't read their role pm. The last time I've seen him do that was world heavyweight 2? he was mafia I don't know Chez (must be a smurf I'm guessing), let alone what he was trying to convey but at least now it makes sense with your explanation. So basically meta. From experience with Palmar, he's come off as a troll when messing around, but it wasn't fully indicative to me and I didn't make a conclusion on him until he did what he did for the better part of the day (as opposed the first few hours), though it proved incorrect. Disregarding meta, I am coming to a policy lynch based off his current behaviour (and not knowing that game you referenced), but now I understand your position. | ||
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As I said before, Robik is not doing a whole lot so far. He voted Damdred, he's not particularly pushing Damdred. So that's a possible red flag. Think he said something along the lines of "it only matters to me or something" and then when HF calls him out, he talks about formatting. That was the last post in his filter. So I'm confused there. Also of all the other things he's said, I looked at these: On January 31 2015 07:00 IAmRobik wrote: Cause your case revolves around him talking about the setup, and while his posts aren't useful, they're not scummy. On January 31 2015 07:08 IAmRobik wrote: When I first started here, I would say setup speculation was really scummy. But then I realized that most TLers suck at mafia, so I can see why they would default to talking about shit that doesn't matter I think the first quote is noncomittal, I feel and second quote he's making a generalisation when Damdred was the one that made the quote. I think he'd have been more town if he specifically commented on Damdred making that quote. Also Damdred, just realised I missed your question - would I lynch Robik? With the information I have right now? I'd put him on the lynchables list, but Sicklucker seems to be the worst of everyone so far. | ||
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Second what are your thoughts on HF and Chez scumreading you based on meta? Including the relevant quotes: On February 01 2015 02:52 Half the Sky wrote: Palmar is striking me as policy, unless you're metaing him for scum. On February 01 2015 02:54 Holyflare wrote: absolutely 0 policy, chez even linked a post where he says he lynches all people that haven't read their role pm. The last time I've seen him do that was world heavyweight 2? he was mafia | ||
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On February 01 2015 01:08 Chezitwo wrote: I gave you the fishing rod, it seems you can fish fine for yourself! Chez, yes, you might be right about the bolded but my issue with these quotes is that you don't appear to be thinking critically - in this case, I had to answer that question for you. Also you didn't answer this question. You asked Marv whether he's a distro, when your vote was on him at that time. Where did that come from? | ||
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On February 01 2015 04:20 marvellosity wrote: rsoultin might actually be mafia though lots of town-passes, lots of no-lynch-today passes, very few suspicions or pushes Well she isn't as assertive as I'm used to her in her town games. I've yet to play a game with her when she RNGs scum. What you've said above is supported by the lack of such in her filter. Also in case you missed Marv...this was one thing that stuck to me, but after posting, Ras gave me a town pass, not sure if she was trying to find a random reason at the time to scumread me. On February 01 2015 00:02 Half the Sky wrote: Marv and Damdred, what do you think about this? Earlier she said this about me: And from what I can tell of Chez, he's not quite doing anything substantial. At least not in terms of solving the game...yet. Not from which I can tell. | ||
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On February 01 2015 04:24 rsoultin wrote: More no-lynch than town, but essentially you're correct. I'm not seeing anyone jumping out at me today, and contrary to popular opinion I actually don't just randomly tunnel people for the lolz. Rasputin.... Sicklucker has 3-4 votes on him. You commented on him twice. You don't have a conclusion on him yet for the time you've been in game (even having to catch up)? Nothing about SL is jumping out at you either way? Seriously? | ||
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Trfel are you not with the program? Sicklucker has 4 votes. And Palmar you aren't helping yourself doing jack all. Answer my questions please. | ||
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On February 01 2015 04:35 rsoultin wrote: ^ That. I've questioned him about reading LS town for hard townreading him but it's SL. If you've got a good way to read the spaz, please let me know. [...] Then why aren't you pushing sicklucker (further) or asking him about it? You have a meta point on his "town antics" so that's something you could have used to flesh things out with him. | ||
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On February 01 2015 04:42 rsoultin wrote: If this is truly the best case, this thread needs life support xP Daaaammmdred. You're not helping yourself here exactly...you aren't particularly assertive this game. At all. This is my fourth game with you so I am qualified here to say that something isn't quite right. Step it up m'lady. ##unvote ##vote Rasputin | ||
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On February 01 2015 04:44 rsoultin wrote: Lol do you see him in the thread, hun? What exactly do you expect him to answer when I ask him why he's not being a spaz this time around? That's irrelevant. Completely irrelevant. Look at how I played in Newbie LX as only one of two Euros in the entire game. I posted my questions/thoughts even with no one around, and re-referenced to my targets if I did manage to interact with them. I bitched about timezones - can't stay up until 4am GMT, could have kept bitching about them, but I didn't. If you're town, you won't make (in this case) him not being around an excuse. Ask away and reform your read as appropriate. You're just making excuses now. | ||
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On February 01 2015 04:48 Chezitwo wrote: How so? The answers were clear and right here. Can you point me to where I voted for Marv? You did not answer!![/QUOTE] Because I've been pushing another player. Hold on. | ||
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On February 01 2015 04:48 Chezitwo wrote: How so? The answers were clear and right here. Can you point me to where I voted for Marv? You did not answer!![/QUOTE] Alright, back at you now. You're still ignoring the point that I came up with the conclusion and not you. Which is why I am not impressed. Also not impressed with all this activity going on, you're clearly in thread, Chez and you aren't really doing a whole lot. On January 31 2015 20:23 Chezitwo wrote: marvellosity: Do you think Fecalfeast is a distro? On January 31 2015 20:34 Chezitwo wrote: Looking at his other programs... It makes me sad. ##Unvote Also my mistake on the thing with Marv, you ASKED him about Fecalfeast, but the gist of it stands - you just posted his filter. | ||
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On February 01 2015 05:03 marvellosity wrote: yeah. the whole lady-on-lady treatment there is not getting me hot. maybe unsurprisingly :p Typical Marv.... *runs* | ||
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On February 01 2015 04:59 rsoultin wrote: I'm not certain about several people, including Damdred, SL and Robik...Palmar for me would be a policy lynch though the vets are calling it a meta read... But as for strong lynch them now scum, no. Wait, what? 1 You have yet to interact with Robik or even discuss him from what I'm seeing in your filter. So where did any read on Robik come from? Did I miss something? 2 You said earlier you wanted to get behind Damdred's read, you appealled to Damdred, and now all of a sudden you're not certain of him? Where did this come from? On February 01 2015 04:42 rsoultin wrote: If this is truly the best case, this thread needs life support xP Daaaammmdred. On February 01 2015 00:43 rsoultin wrote: I could get behind this read. Chezi already said the same thing you know. It's why I said he gets a no-lynch pass from me today.  | ||
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On February 01 2015 05:15 Trfel wrote: Like Holyflare and marvellosity said (and also geript in his post-game analysis), apparently Half the Sky's scum play isn't all that good (no offense, it's still at least 1000x better than my own). She was townread in Newbie Mafia for being one of the only bastions of logic and reason in a game full of newbies. [...] You can't possibly argue that your play was less boring and more useful than Half the Sky's play at the point where you posted the comment in question. None taken, Trfel. I think my scum game is pretty terrible actually. Throw me in a pool of veterans and I will get caught out, end of. Ah, wait now... And that second part, I'd already mentioned, quite the double standard. | ||
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On February 01 2015 05:21 marvellosity wrote: I do hope you're not mafia and the italic is you mocking me :< That was in reference to recent, not current, experience. And as for the "typical Marv" joke....hey I had to. Now we're even <3 | ||
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If you're a townie, and people are wrongly/incorrectly pressuring you, you do two things: 1 Defence/resolution of differences - ignoring questions will not let you get townread/neutrally read by proponents of your lynch 2 Propose alternate scumreads/alternative targets based on original thought of her own 3 If you suspect one of your lynch proponents is scum and has faulty logic in pushing you, you poke holes in that and use that person as the target In Student IV, I was getting wagoned to death by Damdred, Oats, etc. I survived by a sliver because Damdred did not get the vote in time. But Damdred and I had a clash regarding the use of meta - I disregarded it entirely as a new player and he contested that Kushmasta (the other wagon) was not scum. After fully and thoroughly explaining my thought process (he thought I was sheeping) on why I felt Kush was scum, he tried to keep the vote off me and eventually tried to lynch me with some regret (he flipped VT). Was my thinking flawed? Yes, Was it town-driven? Yes. That's what I'm driving at. I'm not seeing any such parallels here. | ||
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On February 01 2015 05:28 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm not boring I'm just resting my eyes. Where is sicklucker? I'm leaving my vote on SL until closer to deadline if the palmar train takes off. Damdred I was scum reading you before I went to bed but you're like town jesus now. HTS is town, so is hf Going to look more closely at eden, I just perused that filter and was unimpressed Marv did you roll scum again and, if so, can we call you chairman marv? A few of us have opposite reads on Eden from what you are implying. Why don't you elaborate on why Eden remains unimpressive? And why are you asking Marv if he rolled scum? If you ARE scumreading him, tell us why. | ||
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I also drank a load of wine as well, but I should be able to manage. Let's see what I missed here. | ||
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On February 01 2015 11:33 sicklucker wrote: Well there you go. Did mafia win that game? Yes they did. I made a fundamental error in lylo, I AFK voted, but back on topic... | ||
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Let me talk about Eden for a bit....here's my latest take given his talk on Palmar. On February 01 2015 06:02 rsoultin wrote: Personally not that impressed with Eden, either. He said a couple things I like (mostly about SL) but the whining about the night kills got old quickly and was just plain unnecessary. Now that Hammertime has just ended (we got endgamed), I feel a bit more free to talk about this game...at the off, I understand Eden's perspective given my own experience with him from Hammertime and NYE games with the nightkills. Eden was scum in NYE and N1'd in Hammertime. It seems like you are treating it as fluff, which might make sense since you had not actually played with him, but yet I'm treating it in the same vein as Trfel when he mentioned getting killed prematurely (something along those lines), that part, anyhow to be NAI. The problem I think is Eden townreading Palmar given his behaviour in Hammertime, he was trolling like crazy, and he got lynched and he flipped town. However, Palmar also contested in Hammertime that he did not have a meta and he acts different every game. So I'm still inclined to leave Palmar as a null/policy lynch since I think he can troll as either alignment. Palmar specifically berated me in Hammertime for trying to meta him, and now I can see why. I see Eden saying that why would Palmar put himself in a position to do this again as mafia, but again, when others are being questioned and scumread, do you think someone like Palmar would have the motivation to shape up, even if he was mafia? He sure didn't have that motivation in Hammertime, and ironically was hammered in that game whilst I was asleep. So I don't feel his play deserves an instant townread at all, I disagree with Eden on that. | ||
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Going to examine the whole Damdred read progression. Unless I missed something when I first read, Rasputin found something wrong with it, and Trfel did not pick up on anything wrong. HF is still looking fine by me. Marv I know had mentioned something recently about changing his towngame or rather toning it down, and I'm keeping that in mind. Right now, I'm not sensing anything off about either of them. | ||
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Okay, I was scumreading Rasputin earlier and even voted her before AFKing. I'm trying to look harder into her read on you and making sure nothing is taken out of context. That must have happened either when I was afk or whilst looking at someone else. Damdred - I think strike one was Rasputin not reading thread (which you gave me as well and I went back and found my mistake), strike two was her push on you, which you are contending has misinformation and strike three was her saying you're not answering her questions? Seems like the brunt of this contention happened when I AFKed, so let me look into this from both sides... | ||
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On February 01 2015 05:55 rsoultin wrote: Okay, I guess what I really don't understand is the progression of Damdred's read on Palmar. So is it a policy lynch or isn't it? Still don't understand what this has to do with anything, and it's the question I've been trying to get him to answer. Or this -_- I mean, seriously, I can just say I don't want to be lynched over and over, too. Maybe I'm missing something but this really doesn't make any sense to me. What I'm going to try and do here is analyse what Damdred said in the context of where these quotes were in the thread. The problem I have with Damdred's first quote (filter page 2, thread page 25) is "he might be willing to lynch Palmar" but there's no reason given. Amongst the other reasons cited in thread before Damdred posts is a meta read cited by Chez, Marv's read on him (looks like it's PoE based since he had nothing on others), before Damdred says "I might be willing to lynch". So I cannot tell at face value whether Damdred is sheeping what appears to be scum reads that others are making on page 24. When I say I think Palmar's policy, that's when he says the same thing (second quote posted here) Only after that time Damdred posts the begging out part. But Rasputin, I see this post by Damdred, and seeing your response in quote, why was this concern not resolved when he posted this seven minutes later? On February 01 2015 00:29 rsoultin wrote: @Damdred Okay, yeah, I did miss that. Probably because I still have trouble sheeping what others say others' meta are, so tend to disregard it. However, Palmar appealing to me when I asked marv to explain his read better is kind of funny, given the arrogance I associate with Palmar. Should I just assume you are disagreeing on meta? Another quote that has me a little confused from Damdred: On February 01 2015 00:32 Damdred wrote: Actually yeah, Palmar post made me chuckle which makes me want to not lynch him. I can understand the confusion on Damdred's progression but I can't seem to see why Rasputin says this in her quote 5h later Still don't understand what this has to do with anything, and it's the question I've been trying to get him to answer. ...when she acknowledges him 5m later (per timestamp). Am I misunderstanding something? | ||
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Was it this? On February 01 2015 04:59 rsoultin wrote: I'm not certain about several people, including Damdred, SL and Robik...Palmar for me would be a policy lynch though the vets are calling it a meta read... But as for strong lynch them now scum, no. As in you're trying to figure out why he was scumreading him? | ||
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Off the cuff, I'm getting the usual LS town read from what I've read of him so far. LS is someone however, that people do tend to scumread, sometimes as has been said he's not fully articulate and sometimes a scum player can take advantage of that (honestly, I did in Newbie LX...yeah I know LS even mentioned he's still bitter on that). Even in Carol, he was sheeping left, right, everywhere and the only reason he wasn't being scumread in that game was because he claimed a ghost fairly early on. So someone (not nec Damdred) scumreading him could be a potential red flag, maybe. | ||
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Discussion on previous page: On February 01 2015 13:05 rsoultin wrote: It's just you sad what...that he LS wasn't scumhunting. That he wasn't acting like he does when he's town. That he didn't have 3 townreads already based on meta...then nah you're okay with LS when you're asked. Just finding it hard to buy that those arguments don't add up to at least a scumlean. What more would you need from LS to call him scum? On February 01 2015 13:10 sicklucker wrote: My read on Ls is very good. Ls likes to sheep people. But he had a good read as to why im not mafia and went agains tthe grain and called the leading wagon at the time town. Ls is toen Throwing my two cents. Still looking into the part with LS/SL before I move on. | ||
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(In the meantime I've unvoted you. I get the sense what you have been doing is town-driven. Accurate, that's another question...) | ||
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On February 01 2015 13:21 Fecalfeast wrote: everyone give me thoughts on chezzy-2 please his filter is gross Since you're in here, to be blunt, yours isn't much better, especially when I see this: On February 01 2015 13:00 Fecalfeast wrote: Damdred looks fine to me. No glaring contradictions or anything. His reads stay consistent, he's scumreading SL... I'll check eden's push but can someone give me the spark notes on why damdred is scum? Damdred's progression has been a point of contention, you would go a far way to say in detail why Rasputin is wrong. Plus, you are saying he looks fine but then you're asking for the notes on why damdred is scum? Why aren't you making your own conclusions? Start by reading pages 24-26... | ||
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On February 01 2015 13:27 Holyflare wrote: I like rsoul a bit more, damdred has moved sideways and the afkers are dropping (chez/robik), I agreed with chez at the start on you but I did that in the last game I played with chez and he afk'd and was mafia Can you elaborate on Robik's scum meta? Does he tend to afk? Just finished Hammertime, and he was scum. AFKed in that game largely. Not sure if that's a regular thing with him. | ||
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On February 01 2015 13:30 Damdred wrote: Omfg just lynch trfel this is hilarious. I'll deal with hf later or something, but trfel is so scum The scum signs I'm seeing from Trfel is sheeping thread sentiment to some extent but I am seeing some followup, at least he appeared to do so with these: On February 01 2015 10:36 Trfel wrote: But that's about all that I see. Nowhere near enough to make me want to lynch rsoultin, since she provided consistent explanations, even if I disagree with them. Therefore, I apologize for jumping on that wagon like I did without checking the support first. Marvellosity and Holyflare did a fine job of questioning, I didn't need to go yelling too. On a side note, I am really curious. Rsoultin, I've been a member of this forum for three years longer than you have. But you have nearly four times as many posts as me, and we played the same first game. How the heck did this happen? On February 01 2015 12:59 Trfel wrote: Yeah, you gave more than one line. Yesterday. A lot of stuff has happened since then. This is your old view on Holyflare. Then you changed it with the only explanation being something like "Holyflare isn't concerned with solving the game, just being right." Can you provide examples to support this? The only other problem I have with Trfel is that he's saying he's having trouble reading SL and then in the end throws his vote on him (seemingly out of the blue?). He does bring up the scummy lurkers. He's having some trouble making reads I think, but he's showing in enough effort. Damdred, if you think he's being misleading or something you need to be specific and point that out. | ||
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Having looked at Rasputin's latest questions, I can see her question about the chuckle comment and now her concerns make sense. Do I think it's enough to lynch Damdred is another question. | ||
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After reading everything, it's between Palmar and Robik for me. The case against Robik is very good, but as has been discussed with the setup, it's possible there might be 3 blues. I've put my vote on Palmar for now. Filter diving Robik one more time. I know there are quite a few lurkers, but I highly doubt the entire scumteam are all lurking, seeing as Trfel mentioned something along these lines. I know it happened to an extent in Student IV, but LS was an active scum, though he was caught out based on the things he was saying. | ||
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On February 02 2015 00:02 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up and saw the case on Robik but the thing about Robik is that he claimed blue yes but I really hate the claim from him. Also Damdred did claim blue too so we got our 2 unCCed blues already. Also people still arguing that sicklucker is scum even after I gave a explanation on to why he not a good lynch Day 1 and more likely is town too. Also FF is calling me scum too -.- I'm remembering that analysis from Geript in Newbie LX. Where Celestial claimed blue, and then fucked off and did nothing. I'm starting to wonder if some of us could be making that same mistake. | ||
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On February 02 2015 00:05 LightningStrike wrote: There is no setup with 3 blues lol............. Also my team was afk in that game when I was scum but so was Holyflares to a extent. Look at the modifications in the OP: On January 30 2015 10:15 Blazinghand wrote: Possible Setups Base Setups - pick one at random: A) 1 That One Program, 1 Proprietary, Intermittently-Functional Driver, 1 OS X, 1 tar, 1 | grep, 8 Linux Distros B) 2 That One Programs, 1 Proprietary, Intermittently-Functional Driver, 1 Favored Distro, 1 tar, 8 Linux Distros C) 2 That One Programs, 1 Proprietary, Intermittently-Functional Driver, 1 Favored Distro, 1 | grep, 8 Linux Distros D) 1 That One Program, 1 Proprietary, Intermittently-Functional Driver, 1 OS X, 2 Favored Distros, 8 Linux Distros Modifications - pick one at random: 1) Remove one Linux Distro and add one Favored Distro. 2) Use setup as-is. 3) Remove one Favored Distro and add one Linux Distro if possible. Each Base Setup is equally likely. Each Modification is equally likely. Who gets what role will be RNGed. | ||
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Eden's posting has dropped off compared to the super townie I recall from Hammertime, probably need to look into him for Day 2. Also noted Rasputin's comment on my thoroughness. Fair play, ask away tomorrow. I'll just say though I was tipsy the last two nights. I had the choice between playing this way, or not playing at all. Take that as you will. | ||
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I realise meta arguments have been made against Palmar... Palmar could be trolling as either alignment as I learnt in Hammertime. | ||
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Trfel is definitely looking better upon re-reading. Same for Rasputin. After reading that large post (the first four key points) by Sicklucker, I'm inclined to think not lynching him for D1, and thankfully it doesn't look like he will be. | ||
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On February 02 2015 00:27 Damdred wrote: @HF you are being a hypocrite, which is fine I thought better of you honestly and you refuse in the very least to even see what I'm trying to say instead turning it into the biggest fight we've ever had. Hts why tobik over Eden at this point, robik has been afk bit he's blue we should give that a day cycle to see what shakes out at this point. Edens play has been a lot more lop sided tto a lot of things From your perspective, weren't you the one who said it was his scum meta to afk? I'm just thinking back to Newbie LX when Celestial claimed blue and fucked off, it's smelling like the same thing here. If he were cop/doc, I'd think he'd be inclined to NOT claim D1 and try and do some work to maintain credibility as a townie. Eden was at least somewhat active and contributing earlier in the day. I disagreed with his point on Palmar for instance based on our exp in Hammertime, but I can see why he's making it. If you're saying the lurkiness is Robik's scum meta, why are you inclined to believe the blue claim? | ||
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On February 02 2015 00:31 Damdred wrote: Edens pretty bad actually, super sarcastic unhelpful until he gets called out. After that big posts, then spotlite shifts and Eden doesn't do much The same thing happened in Hammertime. Very sarcastic at the off. Lian called him out D1 and he shaped up. He was killed N1, was VT. | ||
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On February 02 2015 00:37 Holyflare wrote: Are you bot buying what eden said about getting nk'd? Pretty sure I said it before, but I'm treating that part as NAI. | ||
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1 The meta claim issue with SL, which he pushed on. (page 2-3 of his filter) 2 Comments on Rasputin after her questioning of Damdred on read progression 3 Defending Palmar based on Hammertime 4 Recapping SL's post 1 and 2 seemed like thought out concepts but afterwards I see what you mean Damdred... But on account of #3, I feel Palmar can troll as either alignment, and I don't like Robik's claim. | ||
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On February 02 2015 00:54 Palmar wrote: I like how everyone is trying to kill me over robik because he's a blueclaim when I've claimed gentoo like 3 times now. Also ##vote holyflare Being a vet, why don't you explain what you are seeing in HF, that most here are not? | ||
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First thoughts on the whole Eden thing, I believe we might have something. Eden sometime back said that Palmar had to be town based on his behaviour in Hammertime. I disagreed with this since Palmar maintained that he had no meta and he could troll as either alignment. Yet he was willing to townread Palmar based on the same behaviour. Granted, Eden himself is trolling, but started posting stuff, the quality of his posts I know is up for debate. As for Palmar, Marv for one suspected Palmar, and I think Chez did post a quote from a game from last year. I realise neither of them have flipped but it's something to further think about. | ||
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I'm still feeling worse about Robik, but another angle looking at Eden is whether he could give his one good point for the day (like that SL read, I mean a lot of people at that time were scumreading SL) and figured that if he was just good enough to not get lynched, he could afk. His scum play in NYE party mafia was just that. He wasn't townie, but did just enough or convinced just enough to not get lynched. I had recapped the point on Eden how after the point on SL it was a point on defending Rasputin in the face of 3 of us questioning her but a scum Eden would have perfect information such that he could do that without suspicion. On February 02 2015 00:54 Half the Sky wrote: The key points I'm gleaning from Eden's filter (from the large posts): 1 The meta claim issue with SL, which he pushed on. (page 2-3 of his filter) 2 Comments on Rasputin after her questioning of Damdred on read progression 3 Defending Palmar based on Hammertime 4 Recapping SL's post 1 and 2 seemed like thought out concepts but afterwards I see what you mean Damdred... But on account of #3, I feel Palmar can troll as either alignment, and I don't like Robik's claim. I can see why Eden would be a good lynch for today. I was going to filter dive Robik before leaving but let me look at both those two now. | ||
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On February 02 2015 04:43 Holyflare wrote: I don't remember anything she's done since the first time she entered the thread. Odd of you to say this considering we both pushed Rasputin together yesterday... | ||
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On February 02 2015 04:51 rsoultin wrote: One problem here, HtS. Last time we talked you still "suspected" me. I know I'm town. How do you? And after that I had said (though not interacting with you) that you were looking better. I had even unvoted you. You bolded the part in my quote, if you are wondering that, that is a theoretical on my end. As to if Eden were scum, why #2 in my quote wouldn't make him any more towny. | ||
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On February 02 2015 04:52 Damdred wrote: HTS you go into great detail about why eden is possible scum? But then you decide robik is the better lynch if you had to lynch this second with a lot less information? Why? I am struggling with why Robik would claim blue so early in the game and AFK the whole weekend. That's my biggest beef. It reminds me of what Celestial did in Newbie LX, as I said before. Which is why I'm filter diving both again. | ||
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On February 02 2015 04:59 Chezitwo wrote: Robik rolled scum in both Hammertime and PYP. I can imagine him going for a play like this and afk as scum actually. 100% | ||
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He spends D1 pushing the shit out of GlowingBear with little evidence. I was scumreading GB for things I took out of context as one of the towniest people in the thread. Robik was able to push him on something relatively minor, but after D1 came back and just repeated the same push on GB. Never came under suspicion after that and AFKed as the rest of the townies were pointing at each other. We were endgamed last night. | ||
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On February 02 2015 05:02 rsoultin wrote: I had Celestial speared to the wall and the rest of the thread was up his grill right along with me. You were in that Obs QT HtS. I have a hard time thinking you actually believe what you're saying right now. Not the first time I'm bringing up this parallel. Similar issues here, people suspected Robik on the blue claim and even you and Trfel pushed those ideas. The circumstances of them being scummy is different, but overall, we have the same situation of them being pushed to nearly the point of lynch. I read what you had posted, and debated those possibilities along with what I knew of Robik's gameplay. | ||
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On February 02 2015 05:05 Eden1892 wrote: HtS just vote me. It sucks that we lost the Rb but that's life And you're just saying that to get me mislynched. You're past your troll honeymoon phase... ##unvote ##vote Eden1892 | ||
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Eden tried to steer us away from Palmar earlier today. Holyflare pushed the shit out of Damdred, who was largely responsible for this push. | ||
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On February 02 2015 05:26 marvellosity wrote: kill eden I agree, he's completely trying to get me mislynched. As for me "justifying" it Eden that was a seriously weak point. I said the first thing on my mind. Why would you claim cop in that manner D1, you're experienced enough to know better, I'd think. | ||
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On February 02 2015 05:33 LightningStrike wrote: Also the last time someone claimed blue 1 in a game with me in it a hour before EoD and claimed a specific role they got away with it for the remainder of the game (Celestial in the Newbie game) and I don't want to take that chance. THANK GOD I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE FEELING THIS WAY. I said the same thing twice over earlier and Rasputin scumread me for it. | ||
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On February 02 2015 05:41 marvellosity wrote: kill eden Have you become Palmar-lite? | ||
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On February 02 2015 05:55 Trfel wrote: Holyflare is claiming blue. 100%. So how many claims do we have out? 3 (excluding Eden)? I recall Robik, Damdred soft claimed I think earlier and now HF? How do you feel about that Robik claim at this point? | ||
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On February 02 2015 05:55 Eden1892 wrote: I was serious about the n1 rant though. And work. Like if you take one thing away from this game, it should be "The next time I'm mafia when Eden is town, I will never vote to kill him n1." LOL I took it as NAI given the Hammertime game.... | ||
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On February 02 2015 06:00 marvellosity wrote: also, no sicklucker today anywhere near deadline? He said he was going for a Superbowl party. He forgot to vote! | ||
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On February 02 2015 05:52 Trfel wrote: Wait, I don't understand, is Holyflare actually claiming blue? On February 02 2015 05:52 Holyflare wrote: yes 100% On February 02 2015 05:55 Trfel wrote: Holyflare is claiming blue. 100%. Trfel....you didn't remember this? | ||
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There we go. I was going to vote Robik tomorrow myself. | ||
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On February 02 2015 06:56 marvellosity wrote: if i assume HF is town, i still dunno why he had so much beef with Damdred though I suspected him on this too, he voted Damdred at the off, but like was said, just lynch in that order. | ||
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I completely understand why everyone is scumreading me or suspecting me but I'm going to explain everything, especially my actions at EoD. | ||
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On February 02 2015 06:19 rsoultin wrote: Since there actually can be 3 blue roles in this game, this is poor analysis at best. Rasputin, I saw this from N1, and the reason I didn't respond right away was because it was night and did not want what I am about to say affect the scum kill. But with Robik modkilled, and Trfel claimed, I have no choice. I am claiming Favoured Distro. This is a hard claim. I am not being sarcastic either. We see that Robik fakeclaimed FD. Trfel's claim as doc is extremely believable. Damdred is 100% claim with his push on Eden. And I know I'm not lying. Which means that HF lied. I said what I said at EoD because my plan was to claim first thing D2 and fence the four of us in (at that time, HF, Damdred, Robik and myself). But when I saw Trfel's claim, I held back because my claim would have come to the same conclusion - that it's one of Holyflare or Robik as scum. And five claims would have thrown the town into chaos at that point. Artanis brought up the VT fakeclaiming and that's when I thought deeper was there a reason for anyone to fakeclaim. I thought of the possibilities of Damdred fakeclaiming, largely beacuse of the pressure that Holyflare put him through. And I remember from his coaching of Silverarte (the coaching QT) that he did say that ocassionally it's fine for town to lie. But here, I see that Robik has clearly done it with the modkill. So Damdred's claim is definitely true. When I first saw what was happening, I think Holyflare needs looked into regarding the exchanges with Damdred, I had brought this up before. I still maintain that position. I might not have been all there/coherent this game but prior to Trfel's claim I had a feeling on Robik and I had cause for it. Now you know that cause. It was wrong, but as a FD, you (Rasputin) should know why I thought the way I did. Also if you really think I'm scum (I'm looking particularly at Rasputin since she is suspecting me) would I come out of the blue and do something like this and be willing to sacrifice myself when I'm the only scum left? If you don't believe me, you'll know the truth when I flip. You will see my flip and then you will know absolutely in what direction to go. I'm outing myself now so that you lot don't waste time guessing every which way who is/might be scum. And now, I'm going to go as far to say that I actually want to be auto-lynched at this point if that's what it will take, that you lot will know what to do when I flip. With only one scum left now, if my death results in an auto-lynch on the last scum (likely HF at this point) and victory, then so be it. We have four mislynches available so if you were to lynch between me and HF in the next two days, you have auto. Again, I'm doing this so we don't waste those mislynches amongst the rest of town. | ||
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On February 02 2015 08:52 Trfel wrote: Back to where we used to be. Four blues. Half the Sky Me Damdred Holyflare Might I actually suggest Half the Sky first, then Holyflare if she flips town? I'm fine with this, if this is what it will take. I am that confident in what I'm doing. | ||
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On February 02 2015 08:57 Chezitwo wrote: He's mass bussed before and won. Blue claim could've worked if he got lucky. Kinda makes sense. Again folks, please note the time that HF claimed. A lot of votes on Eden, and SL clearly had not voted. The timing of the blue claim.... But like I said, if people don't find me credible, I'll take the noose to prove my point. | ||
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Lynch in this order 1 myself 2 HF 3 Trfel 4 Damdred | ||
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On February 02 2015 09:01 marvellosity wrote: by that logic you should have conceded as soon as Trfel claimed earlier 100% I think he was banking on a Robik auto-lynch. The modkill blew everything out of the water. | ||
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On February 02 2015 09:01 Chezitwo wrote: I don't understand this situation. If mafia is within the 4 blue claims why haven't they conceded? If there's a VT why haven't they retracted their claim? VT was Robik, he was just modkilled. So it's a fakeclaim now in there. | ||
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On February 02 2015 09:02 rsoultin wrote: Guys. Lynch HTS. Obvious. She claimed under pressure when the last person to claim blue got read as "towniest blue" for claiming last. If it's not her, HF. 100% | ||
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On February 02 2015 09:03 marvellosity wrote: i just don't get why either of them would waste my time. selfish I won't speak for HF, but I would like to think I've saved you lot time...instead of you people running around guessing and debating whether or not I'm scum or not. | ||
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On February 02 2015 09:04 Holyflare wrote: hts i have no idea what you're trying to do but it's not working..? No but I'm pretty sure of what you tried to do. | ||
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On February 02 2015 09:05 rsoultin wrote: lol can we submit a lynch order as a game and really auto this? xP I could try to get modkilled, but that would be poor show. | ||
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On February 02 2015 09:07 Trfel wrote: I think that is more likely than the game still running if anyone else was mafia. 100% | ||
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On February 02 2015 09:08 rsoultin wrote: This is what I call a BS meter moment. <3 Then go ahead and kill me tomorrow. You will see my flip. There is nothing more I can say on that. You were sure of my guilt, but you will see that you were wrong. | ||
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YOU WERE SO SURE ON ME WEREN'T YOU!?!??!??!?!?! | ||
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No hard feelings m'lady <3 <3 Rasputin. | ||
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On February 02 2015 09:13 marvellosity wrote: HtS did nothing but claim Damdred is obvious MVP I'd say Damdred 100%. I did jack all. | ||
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On February 02 2015 09:14 rsoultin wrote: <3 HtS lol Like I said, I was impaired (from drinking) two of the nights I was playing this game. I was particularly poor last night. Which is why I acknowledged my lack of coherence. | ||
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On February 02 2015 09:17 marvellosity wrote: Damdred was really great nailed Eden had the right suspicions of HF 10/10 100% | ||
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On February 02 2015 09:24 rsoultin wrote: Heh, I'll take advice, too. Tried to do the less active thing and I've got people up my ass. Can't win lol. It was Marv, HF and me on your bum, Rasputin....one of them was scum, and I was suspicious of your tone. I was also hoping you'd be scum, I was always curious to see your scumgame <3 | ||
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On February 02 2015 09:25 Trfel wrote: I need to go back over Damdred's case about Eden, and figure out how he did that. When I filter dove Eden, I didn't scumread him. I should have been more sure of the Eden scumread when I made the list of items that I did. The one point on SL and then the rest of the list fell off. Bloody hell, I need to not ignore the obvious signs. | ||
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On February 02 2015 09:34 LightningStrike wrote: It was obvious it was Artanis when he started posting Gifs and Images in this game lol. Wasn't obvious to me. I have never played a game with Artanis. Ever. | ||
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On February 02 2015 09:34 rsoultin wrote: You should read it closer, HtS, the trolls had direction I promise It really didn't look like it when I first read, but I think this is where the cocktails from Friday night/Saturday morning did their part... :/ | ||
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On February 02 2015 09:36 Damdred wrote: Oh I'm well behind who was it Holyflare. Trfel and I were the only blues. Robik also fakeclaimed but he was modkilled. | ||
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On February 02 2015 09:37 LightningStrike wrote: I thought you shadowed him? I shadowed Palmar in that game so I knew when the images and gifs showing up in the filter that it was him lol. I guess that what happens when I got to much time on my hands XD My observation of Imperial fell off when Newbie LX and NYE Party kicked in. | ||
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Alright Holyflare, let's see that sig change! | ||
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On February 02 2015 09:39 LightningStrike wrote: I was lynched in Newbie LX so I had plenty of time to look at Imperial while NYE Party was going on. Are you still bitter I got you lynched in Newbie? You said that this game <3 LS | ||
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On February 02 2015 09:45 rsoultin wrote: hts do you need a cohost? I wanted to get into that but no clue how ^^ You need to keep your eye on the active list of mafia games. Right now, Sentinel has Titantic 8 in the mini normal queue, so his game would appear to come before mine. Most hosts have no experience requirement, but I'm not sure if I might have a caveat being a first-time host (where I'd require someone else more experienced as a cohost.) BH, can you verify? Otherwise I'd have no issues taking you on, otherwise you should probably PM Sentinel since his game is next in queue. | ||
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On February 02 2015 09:45 Blazinghand wrote: The next couple of normal minis aren't hosted by me, I'll probably play in one of them. You can also expect to see me in the next full-sized normal. I'm curious to see how you play in a mafia game having never actually played with you. Should be fun | ||
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On February 02 2015 14:29 Fecalfeast wrote: wtf is this you guys make 400 posts during superbowl?? Not everyone watches the Super Bowl Also just read the Scum QT...#41 in the QT. Sicklucker... No like it kind of proves your both mafia. Your calling me salty but a mafia would only be faking salt there which I was ;p. Anyway if you guys wanna play dirty presure hts. Shes been pushed so much lately (by you and me lol in multiple games) I think she will just troll over and die. Id feel bad tho You bastard...  | ||
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