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On February 01 2015 16:36 sicklucker wrote:
Tfel remember that time after you got nked as town I went through your filter and convinced town ff was your green check?
Im a useful town. FF not so much
Lol, pretty sure that was me, SL xP But for the purposes of getting people off your wagon...SL can be useful. Seriously. Especially when trying to kill the cop with wild aoe storms when he knows good town roles are in that cluster xP
Actually, SL's reads can be useful when I can understand them, in all seriousness.
I don't think he's a good lynch today for sure.
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On February 01 2015 16:39 Eden1892 wrote:@rsoultin Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 08:54 Eden1892 wrote:On February 01 2015 08:18 marvellosity wrote:On February 01 2015 08:15 Eden1892 wrote:On February 01 2015 08:10 marvellosity wrote:On February 01 2015 08:09 Eden1892 wrote:On February 01 2015 08:01 rsoultin wrote:On February 01 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote:
I see a case on sicklucker. I see a case on you as well. At the moment I see no need to make said cases. I suppose I'm also willing to lynch Palmar.
I'm not sure about Eden1892 and Damdred. Need some more stuff from them. Why not make the cases, unless all you see is sheeping others' points? I explained my read on HTS about ten times, and apart from me not acting like a rabid animal or something (and I didn't in Protoss, either) the case on me is bullocks. Eden's read on me rang true, but he'd be a fool to say anything that wasn't true since I'm right in the game with him. Eden, why is Palmar town? He literally just got mislynched like yesterday in Hammertime Mafia for doing this. He dicked around most of d1 and was wrong about somebody when he finally gave a strong read so he got ML'd d2. marv can say what he wants about me not knowing Palmar's style enough, but I struggle too much to believe that he goes right back to the thing that got him lynched when he's mafia. it's not the same thing at all... How is it not? The only thing missing is him suddenly deciding somebody is mafia and hardcore tunneling them the rest of the day while still trolling around. so the only thing missing is him legimitately making a push on someone with some basis? duh... I don't feel like you're thinking this through. If he's mafia he has to push eventually or he'll get lynched. Unless he buses his push will be wrong. At that point he will have trolled then wrongly pushed someone which is exactly how he just got lynched. Why put himself in that spot if he's mafia by trolling early? @HF when I went to dig this back up I saw you said "read past games." can you save me the effort I'm not going to put forth to do this and tell me why I'm supposed to think I'm wrong were I to do so
I saw this when you fist posted it, Eden, and I still just really don't find it compelling. It's like "he's doing a thing that could be scumread", "as scum he wouldn't want to be scumread", "so he wouldn't be doing scummy things if he were scum".
Eh. If we used that premise for all players, we'd just lynch the towniest, so...unless something in particular makes Palmar a unique snowflake in this regard (hehe term from Protoss) not feeling it.
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Eh, I didn't have a problem with FF's filter when I reread it just now -_-
But that could be cause of the sleep deprivation.
What I saw looked like him trying to get involved and figure things out? Bah, doing the rest in the morning, and looking specifically at those 2/3 pages eden.
Right now I'm still thinking Palmar or Robik as top lynches. Although I can kinda see your point, Eden, again it's pretty Palmar-specific. Other players not doing stuff ppl go hey he's not doing stuff, could be scum. Palmar it's as scum he wouldn't just be not doing stuff? So if it's not based on meta I dunnae what it's actually based on.
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Lol, I'm still awake, too, but it's not as late for me as y'all.
HF, I'm less concerned about a mafia team right now when we don't have flipped scum. There are a few people who would never (should never) be Day 1 lynches that may be viable Day 2 depending on the flip.
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On February 01 2015 17:15 Trfel wrote:
Unless rsoultin wants to stay up and talk about this?
I'm up for bouncing ideas with y'all. They may just be a bit less coherent than normal.
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Okay, in all honesty, I need to filter-dive him (tomorrow @.@) but eden just isn't making me all excited this game :/ Some of it is I'm not agreeing with him, and some of it is he's not making much of an impact.
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Additionally, HtS, I'd want to look more closely at Day 2. Her presence when she returned to the thread didn't seem very thorough, but I was distracted by other more important conversations at the time. And of course some of these lurkier players that I'm inclined to clear for the day in favor of players I think are more likely scum.
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On February 01 2015 17:25 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 17:21 rsoultin wrote:On February 01 2015 17:15 Trfel wrote:
Unless rsoultin wants to stay up and talk about this? I'm up for bouncing ideas with y'all. They may just be a bit less coherent than normal. Cool. Don't expect sanity from me either  So we have FecalFeast, Palmar, and Robik, right? I think we can drop Chezitwo from the list? To me, the most compelling reason to lynch Palmar is what the vets are saying about his meta (marvellosity on never mislynching Palmar, Holyflare on Palmar's claim to not have read his role PM). I'm not sure what to think about FecalFeast. The question seems to be if his play is worse than in previous games. And I don't like heavily meta-based arguments like that. The only alternative is that in the few posts he has actually been playing the game, he seems fine. Then there's Robik. I actually feel like scumreading him for his claim, since he followed it up with absolutely nothing and we already have another blue claim. But he's been gone for quite some time, and it is very possible that he was intending to mess around for a while and then play seriously later, but real life intervened and he was not given the opportunity.
I'm actually quite content with a Palmar lynch?
FF is policy. Even if I couldn't sheep the Palmar-meta from the two vets, FF has done more than Palmar has.
I still actually think it's a pretty good play by scum to have one of them claim the only blue role that literally could be in every single setup, that doesn't have any night actions it has to account for, and especially with a godfather doing it that would be about perfect to just sit safely in for several days.
But I'm willing to put it off a day to give him time to return to the game, if the reason he's AFK is really just irl issues like his other game suggests.
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On February 01 2015 17:27 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 17:23 rsoultin wrote:
Okay, in all honesty, I need to filter-dive him (tomorrow @.@) but eden just isn't making me all excited this game :/ Some of it is I'm not agreeing with him, and some of it is he's not making much of an impact. Eh, I don't want to lynch Eden1892 at the moment. Which I suppose makes him scum by his own admission.... His filter seems fine to me if you believe that he really doesn't want to get killed on night 1. Unfortunately, that casts a cloud of doubt on everything he says. I will certainly hold him to higher standards from Day 2 on out (assuming the mafia team has any sense of decency).
Sorry lol this was in reference to Day 2/possible scumteams HF was talking about. Like, Eden and HtS, not a good Day 1 lynch, think they should be revisited Day 2 though, at least based on gut feels. I may feel differently after filter-diving them, which I haven't done lately at all.
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Schoolwork. Ick. I forgot I have to reply to all my classmates on globalization.
Is it terrible that I hate reading stupid?
Digression.
What makes you worried about HF in particular, Trfel? I assume there's a reason he has top priority here?
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Lol
Everyone else got him on votes in Carol.
I got him on BS pushes. WHICH he tried to continue with a push on me. But I'm not holding grudges. See? A good rsoul I am. I guess that was all to say that he's not impossible to read. Just...good as scum lol. So worth rereading for sure, just was curious what made him top of the pile.
Everyone should probably be reread after the flip, if we're being completely honest here.
Hi SL xP We're not trying to lynch you, promise.
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On February 01 2015 17:45 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 17:43 sicklucker wrote:
Oh you guys are still goin lol. Just cant stop eh? I've never been in a game with a scum lynch on Day 1. Last game was close, but I was the scum, so that doesn't really count.... And I have to leave tomorrow. I want to get this right, or at least get the lynch on the best place overall.
Dude, last game would have gone so differently if people just listened to me when I was right instead of when I was wrong. -shot-
But 2/3 scummers Day 1 and Day 2 was pretty damn good...and Shining was my lynch if Damdred and I could have ironed things out. Oh well.
FF's list post, I want it.
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On February 01 2015 17:50 Fecalfeast wrote:1) Trfel - Doesn't want to lynch me maybe, despite his vote, which is nice. Wanted to sleep 1.5+ hours ago but calls out hf for not gonig to bed...? null/town 2) LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476878-linux-mini-mafia?page=21#414 ‘will return tmrw with reads'(nope) pokey questions and little substance. sorta tries to throw scum at me but never follows up. scumpile for sure 3) Chezitwo calls me scum for bad filter, has bad filter, seems to go for low hanging fruit, scumpile 4) Damdred Looks like he is actively trying to solve the game, has some inconsistencies but blue claim so town for now but  5) IAmRobik zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 6) rsoultin huge filter, asking real questions, pushing for answers, town 7) sicklucker different this game, but he is right that I can't read him, really. null/would lynch since he wants to kill me. 8) Half the Sky yeah lots of good stuff townpile 9) Eden1892 big posts, seems to be putting in effort but filter seems like following thread sentiment rather than putting anything new forward 10) Palmar would lynch to save self 11) MARVELLOSITY Wants to kill palmar, 6 pages d1, 4x mafia in a row is improbable townpile 12) HolyFlare 11 pages, helping the game progress, rly mad sometimes. Seems town to me. 13) FecalFeast poop eater 420 I have a google doc for notes that I was "using" at work and I just did some filter looking to expand on it or completely change it in some parts
Ninja'd
Hmm, some of these I find rather funny. Like Robik. <3 and 4x mafia marv is improbable lol...(you do realize that technically the probability doesn't change that someone's mafia cause it's RNG?)
Who are you voting right now, FF? Could just look but Ise lazy and you're here.
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Okay. Well, honestly, your willingness to reconsider SL I thought was townie when I saw it, but words have to be supported by actions or they're just lip service.
LS would be a waste cause I know I'm not voting him today. Unless you feel strongly enough to drive that lynch yourself, FF, it's probably not going to happen.
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I think the general consensus on Robik was either to never lynch him *coughSLcough*
Or to give him another day to see if he suddenly bleeds town
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That said I am totally for getting rid of him (robik) now if there are enough people up to that. I just honestly don't have a strong preference one way or another between him and Palmar.
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Heh, of course I'm down as long as we have enough votes. That's my only concern.
(I brought up killing him in the first place xP)
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Sorry Truffle gots to sleep. I'll change my vote if we can get the lynch some traction.
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I'm still up cause I'm an insomniac.
SL you boob. I quoted the so-called "scumread" of LS. Unless we're talking about different posts you don't have a leg to stand on there.
(Still <3 you as a person, though, you phoenix killer ;o;)
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On February 01 2015 18:43 Chezitwo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 18:30 Trfel wrote:On February 01 2015 18:30 Chezitwo wrote:
Hello, I seem to have missed 30 pages. I don't have much time today either, at least not for another 8 hours or so. If I can't catch up, I will sheep marv or HF. Hi Chezitwo. Do you mind reading and commenting on the case I posted two posts above your post? Does a faulty device try to become favored, or would it settle to be average?
Chez the Chez.
A faulty device may try to become favored if his programming is protected by a firewall that can only be...
Lol I don't speak geek well enough for this.
Statistically speaking he can go on being townread practically indefinitely as a claimed blue except under unusual circumstances, and as such, it's not a bad move for scum at all. Plus look at the specific role he claimed. Especially as godfather, but even as general scum, he can be overlooked without being required to do anything.
This leads me to want to treat him as a general VT.
And as a general VT, robik deserves death cause, as FF said...ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Robik for lynch
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