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On February 01 2015 17:21 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 17:15 Trfel wrote:
Unless rsoultin wants to stay up and talk about this? I'm up for bouncing ideas with y'all. They may just be a bit less coherent than normal.
Cool. Don't expect sanity from me either 
So we have FecalFeast, Palmar, and Robik, right? I think we can drop Chezitwo from the list?
To me, the most compelling reason to lynch Palmar is what the vets are saying about his meta (marvellosity on never mislynching Palmar, Holyflare on Palmar's claim to not have read his role PM).
I'm not sure what to think about FecalFeast. The question seems to be if his play is worse than in previous games. And I don't like heavily meta-based arguments like that. The only alternative is that in the few posts he has actually been playing the game, he seems fine.
Then there's Robik. I actually feel like scumreading him for his claim, since he followed it up with absolutely nothing and we already have another blue claim. But he's been gone for quite some time, and it is very possible that he was intending to mess around for a while and then play seriously later, but real life intervened and he was not given the opportunity.
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On February 01 2015 17:23 rsoultin wrote:
Okay, in all honesty, I need to filter-dive him (tomorrow @.@) but eden just isn't making me all excited this game :/ Some of it is I'm not agreeing with him, and some of it is he's not making much of an impact.
Eh, I don't want to lynch Eden1892 at the moment. Which I suppose makes him scum by his own admission....
His filter seems fine to me if you believe that he really doesn't want to get killed on night 1. Unfortunately, that casts a cloud of doubt on everything he says.
I will certainly hold him to higher standards from Day 2 on out (assuming the mafia team has any sense of decency).
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On February 01 2015 17:27 Fecalfeast wrote:
Hi am town pls no lynch
Who do you want to lynch, and why? What makes them a better lynch than you (without using the "I'm town" argument)?
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Ok, at this point I want to policy lynch Holyflare for lying.
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Well, I'll hold off to see if FecalFeast does anything in the near future. If he doesn't, pretty sure that is where my vote will stay.
If he does something, I could see voting elsewhere.
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On February 01 2015 17:32 Fecalfeast wrote:
I make list post? I don't wanna do much work but also would rather not die
I'll take what I can get. A list post is better than what Robik has provided.
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Hm, I guess I would prioritize looking into Holyflare over Eden1892 and Half the Sky, but I don't want to spend a ton of time investigating Holyflare if he gets nightkilled, which seems reasonably likely.
Maybe I'll just take the night easy, and catch up on all the homework I skipped today
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On February 01 2015 17:40 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 17:37 Trfel wrote:Hm, I guess I would prioritize looking into Holyflare over Eden1892 and Half the Sky, but I don't want to spend a ton of time investigating Holyflare if he gets nightkilled, which seems reasonably likely. Maybe I'll just take the night easy, and catch up on all the homework I skipped today If you think I'm gonna get nk'd then why would you want to look into me over the more underwhelming people?
Because I think Damdred is town, and he is suspicious of you. It's worth a look.
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On February 01 2015 17:42 rsoultin wrote:
Schoolwork. Ick. I forgot I have to reply to all my classmates on globalization.
Is it terrible that I hate reading stupid?
Digression.
What makes you worried about HF in particular, Trfel? I assume there's a reason he has top priority here?
On February 01 2015 17:41 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 17:40 Holyflare wrote:On February 01 2015 17:37 Trfel wrote:Hm, I guess I would prioritize looking into Holyflare over Eden1892 and Half the Sky, but I don't want to spend a ton of time investigating Holyflare if he gets nightkilled, which seems reasonably likely. Maybe I'll just take the night easy, and catch up on all the homework I skipped today If you think I'm gonna get nk'd then why would you want to look into me over the more underwhelming people? Because I think Damdred is town, and he is suspicious of you. It's worth a look.
It just feels like that is the logical first thing to look in to. Holyflare being scum would change a whole lot.
Without a reread though, I just don't see it. And I'm not going to pretend that I have any hope of catching mafia!Holyflare in a 3:45 AM reread.
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On February 01 2015 17:43 sicklucker wrote:
Oh you guys are still goin lol. Just cant stop eh?
I've never been in a game with a scum lynch on Day 1. Last game was close, but I was the scum, so that doesn't really count....
And I have to leave tomorrow. I want to get this right, or at least get the lynch on the best place overall.
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On February 01 2015 17:50 Fecalfeast wrote:
go life
With you on that one.
So of that list, you probably want to lynch sicklucker today, right?
And yeah, I'm still not inclined to lynch FecalFeast any more. Someone decide something.
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He's voting sicklucker. But he just said he probably doesn't want to end on sicklucker.
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So what are we left with. Palmar?
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Or Robik. If someone is willing to drive that one through, that could work. But I'm not going to be here, and without someone forcing it, I don't think it will happen.
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I can't explain why, but I want to lynch Robik. Just intuition, I suppose. I really don't like his claim and where he went with it.
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A lot of people are willing to lynch Robik, and since no one else is saying anything, I will decide. We are lynching Robik.
If you don't want to lynch Robik, please say something.
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In case people are wondering why I'm not voting Robik, I'm compiling the case first. In case I somehow get more sleepy, I would rather have to make a vote than a case.
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IAmRobik
On January 31 2015 06:00 IAmRobik wrote:
Hard claiming Favored Distro
Now you know you can trust/follow me for the rest of the game until mafia put KP on me.
Robik opened the game by claiming named VT.
On January 31 2015 06:14 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2015 06:13 Trfel wrote:On January 31 2015 06:10 LightningStrike wrote:On January 31 2015 06:09 Trfel wrote:
Why did Robik claim in the first place anyway? I have no experience in this area...
I'm sorry, roleclaims is something I don't understand in the slightest. GlowingBear hard claimed VT in Student V Day 1 which you just played. And the reason for that is to generate discussion. I'm not sure if that is Robik's intent here. If it is, then my talking about it is good. If it isn't, it would be nice to know the real reason for why he did this? I guess, I would think that feeding the mafia a free blue role (even if it is just a named VT) would not offset the benefits of his claim. In fact, I'm not really convinced that he is town. Should I be? Because I'm really good at this game and if we lynch who I want to d1, we'll be down to 1 mafia in no time
This is his explanation.
On January 31 2015 06:15 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2015 06:15 Trfel wrote:On January 31 2015 06:14 IAmRobik wrote:On January 31 2015 06:13 Trfel wrote:On January 31 2015 06:10 LightningStrike wrote:On January 31 2015 06:09 Trfel wrote:
Why did Robik claim in the first place anyway? I have no experience in this area...
I'm sorry, roleclaims is something I don't understand in the slightest. GlowingBear hard claimed VT in Student V Day 1 which you just played. And the reason for that is to generate discussion. I'm not sure if that is Robik's intent here. If it is, then my talking about it is good. If it isn't, it would be nice to know the real reason for why he did this? I guess, I would think that feeding the mafia a free blue role (even if it is just a named VT) would not offset the benefits of his claim. In fact, I'm not really convinced that he is town. Should I be? Because I'm really good at this game and if we lynch who I want to d1, we'll be down to 1 mafia in no time If you are this good at the game, can't you get us to follow you without claiming first? Nah...people barely follow what I say even when I'm confirmed cop.
And then he says this. I didn't think too much of it at the time, since I figured that he was probably joking or being sarcastic (though I am having trouble seeing how). But when taken at face value, it makes no sense.
First, if he is a poor player or intends to be ineffective, claiming named VT is a very poor idea. It basically allows the mafia to choose if they would prefer to kill a named VT or whoever they would normally want to kill, and it can be assumed that the mafia will choose whatever they deem best. Mafia could always just ignore Robik and be more accurate with their nightkills/roleblocks for a potential role.
The upside to the claim is that everyone knows he is town, so we can follow him and trust him. But he didn't give us anything to follow (more on this later). And I maintain that if the players in the game have a brain (which they do in most games on this site, and this game seems to be fairly skilled), anyone can get people to follow their reads just by making a well-constructed, logical case. So, Robik feels that he wants to lead town, and that he needs to claim to do it. But he has trouble getting people to follow him even when he is confirmed cop. This doesn't make sense to me at all.
Meanwhile, as mafia, Robik has lots of incentive to claim named VT. Given the modification system that potentially adds an extra named VT to the game, we only know that a claimed blue is lying if there are four claimed blues. Since there are only three blues in the game 33% of the time, Robik's claim doesn't incriminate him 66% of the time, and even if there are in fact three blues in the game, Robik is safe until they all claim.
After the claim, Robik gave a fake scumread on Eden1892. Then he says he wants to lynch FecalFeast, no reasons provided. Then he says this game has too many scum. Then he votes Damdred for adding an unnecessary paragraph break.
If the game has too many scum, then why doesn't he share any of them with us? Especially seeing as he claimed with the intention of making him confirmed town and leading the town? As it is, all he gave us was two joke scumreads and one scumread with no reasoning in the slightest.
Robik has been hypocritical and ineffective. The claim doesn't make him town, but instead of using it to lead town, he has used it as an excuse for doing nothing.
##Vote Robik
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Yay for cases at 4:30 AM..... Please forgive me if some parts don't make perfect sense, hopefully you can figure out the intent. I would like to think that everything is easy to understand, but at this hour I can't guarantee that is true, and I'm not sure if I can be back to clarify.
I need sleep, and I'm not confident in being online much until well after the deadline. Someone carry this lynch through please. Unless of course new information comes up.
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On February 01 2015 18:30 Chezitwo wrote:
Hello, I seem to have missed 30 pages. I don't have much time today either, at least not for another 8 hours or so. If I can't catch up, I will sheep marv or HF.
Hi Chezitwo.
Do you mind reading and commenting on the case I posted two posts above your post?
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