The main proponent of a Palmar lynch is off that wagon now, and Palmar is nothing more than a policy lynch. And it is my opinion that we should at least give him a weekday cycle to prove his towniness before we lynch him, weekend games are horrible start times and Palmar is notorious for just not caring on weekdays and I've seen him do this as town before.
Robik is a bit weirder, but I generally don't agree with killing claimed blues d1. Its just bad practice I could see him doing this as mafia because its safe, but I just would rather not today.
[QUOTE]On January 31 2015 15:44 Eden1892 wrote: I see no issue with my reasoning. If it's your shtick as town to criticize quick role claims, and you know it is, then you're going to do it as mafia even if you're actually happy about it, because you're going to try to emulate your perception of your town behavior. You're going to do it, and because you're doing it artificially instead of naturally, it might not be a perfect facsimile of your town behavior. You might be underselling it, like you don't really care... or you might be overselling it, and become unreasonably upset about it, and unreasonably defensive when people call you on it.
In other words, exactly what I was worried about with you. Your statement that this is what "your meta says," as I'm interpreting it, seems to reinforce this idea, because it indicates that you were deliberately trying to interpret your own meta on the subject, when as town you presumably wouldn't be bothered about it.
I think you need to answer my question now. Am I misinterpreting your statement I quoted, and if so, how? If I'm not, how else am I supposed to interpret your behavior other than "you oversold your town proclivity to hate on blue claims because you aren't actually town"?
Work with me here. I'm entertaining the idea of your innocence, but if you don't cooperate with me when I ask a basic and important question, you give me very little recourse to assuming your guilt.[/QUOTE]
Look at this, the bolded looks fucking weird. And SL NEVER really answers in a very good way that could be innocent but Eden totally drops it past a couple one liners and moves on to pushing me then afking on ff?
On January 31 2015 15:44 Eden1892 wrote: I see no issue with my reasoning. If it's your shtick as town to criticize quick role claims, and you know it is, then you're going to do it as mafia even if you're actually happy about it, because you're going to try to emulate your perception of your town behavior. You're going to do it, and because you're doing it artificially instead of naturally, it might not be a perfect facsimile of your town behavior. You might be underselling it, like you don't really care... or you might be overselling it, and become unreasonably upset about it, and unreasonably defensive when people call you on it.
In other words, exactly what I was worried about with you. Your statement that this is what "your meta says," as I'm interpreting it, seems to reinforce this idea, because it indicates that you were deliberately trying to interpret your own meta on the subject, when as town you presumably wouldn't be bothered about it.
I think you need to answer my question now. Am I misinterpreting your statement I quoted, and if so, how? If I'm not, how else am I supposed to interpret your behavior other than "you oversold your town proclivity to hate on blue claims because you aren't actually town"?
Work with me here. I'm entertaining the idea of your innocence, but if you don't cooperate with me when I ask a basic and important question, you give me very little recourse to assuming your guilt.
Look at this, the bolded looks fucking weird. And SL NEVER really answers in a very good way that could be innocent but Eden totally drops it past a couple one liners and moves on to pushing me then afking on ff?
On February 02 2015 03:30 Trfel wrote: Damdred, I didn't get to look at all of Eden1892's filter, but I don't think it's as bad as you say it is.
Eden was pressuring sicklucker with the "my meta says" phrase as well.
I can understand that he says Palmar is town while still scumreading you for changing your stance on Palmar. He isn't scumreading you for not wanting to lynch Palmar, he is scumreading you for changing your stance without Palmar doing anything.
I think I will leave my vote on Robik. I want Robik lynched. I don't know how people will respond to the Eden1892 lynch, I wish I could be here, but I can't. Therefore I will go with my instinct.
Whatever happens, hopefully you guys lynch a scum.
Besides what I just posted, half of the thread had mentioned this weird read, sl was getting pressured from all angles.
I'm not sure that SL can't be scum here but i'm more convinced that eden is scum at this point with the lack of follow up on things and the going after low hanging fruit with no real push.
I really want people to read my case read Edens filter.
I keep going back and Trfel whats so good about the pressure does it go anywhere? Is there any true conclusion about SL from it? does SL reasoning make sense for how it was dropped and eden just moved on to me?
On February 02 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote: I really want people to read my case read Edens filter.
I keep going back and Trfel whats so good about the pressure does it go anywhere? Is there any true conclusion about SL from it? does SL reasoning make sense for how it was dropped and eden just moved on to me?
I hear you. Like I said, I didn't have the fact checking to really know at the time I needed to leave. I will decline from answering your question at this time, I will cover my read on Eden1892's filter and my response to your case in one post, when I finish. At this time, I don't know what my conclusion will be.
The main reason that I didn't want to vote Eden1892 before was that I expect him to come back before the deadline. And as town or scum, I don't think he will want to get lynched today. If I was out and my vote was stuck on him, that would be less than ideal.
Why is the bolded that impmortant when Palmar or Robik would fall into the same category?
On February 02 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote: I really want people to read my case read Edens filter.
I keep going back and Trfel whats so good about the pressure does it go anywhere? Is there any true conclusion about SL from it? does SL reasoning make sense for how it was dropped and eden just moved on to me?
I hear you. Like I said, I didn't have the fact checking to really know at the time I needed to leave. I will decline from answering your question at this time, I will cover my read on Eden1892's filter and my response to your case in one post, when I finish. At this time, I don't know what my conclusion will be.
The main reason that I didn't want to vote Eden1892 before was that I expect him to come back before the deadline. And as town or scum, I don't think he will want to get lynched today. If I was out and my vote was stuck on him, that would be less than ideal.
Why is the bolded that impmortant when Palmar or Robik would fall into the same category?
Palmar doesn't seem to mind being lynched.
Eden1892 has put a lot more effort into this game than Palmar or Robik. You can't deny that. I just feel like if Eden1892 decided to return and play the game seriously, he could do stuff that would make him seem more towny. I am not convinced that Palmar and Robik could/would do the same.
This post just doesn't jive with me for some reason. So eden isn't acting towny to you and needs more time to act towny? But you would rather lynch someone who literally doesn't care? but usually does as mafia and someone who claimed blue?
On February 02 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote: I really want people to read my case read Edens filter.
I keep going back and Trfel whats so good about the pressure does it go anywhere? Is there any true conclusion about SL from it? does SL reasoning make sense for how it was dropped and eden just moved on to me?
I read it and I read Eden's filter.
I don't feel like he has been trying to find the poorly functioning programs between the distro's. He has been throwing up firewalls in front of himself and others, but he does not scan for malware. I am willing to uninstall him.
On February 02 2015 04:00 Trfel wrote:
On February 02 2015 03:56 Chezitwo wrote:
On February 02 2015 03:53 rsoultin wrote:
On February 02 2015 03:49 Chezitwo wrote:
On February 02 2015 03:42 rsoultin wrote: Okay, damdy. Switching to Eden. Still want your response, Chez.
I was townreading you. You're making me sad
Why does my self vote make you think I am not?
On February 02 2015 03:47 rsoultin wrote:
On February 02 2015 03:42 Chezitwo wrote:
On February 02 2015 03:41 rsoultin wrote: [quote]
Chezzy, your insta!meta-quotes and vote on Palmar caught Marv's attention after having to explain FF's play to you, and I'm inclined to think it's weird how quick they came, too. How do you know Palmar and not FF?
I am good at using the search function when I know what I am looking for. With Palmar, I remembered. With FF, I had nothing to remember.
How long have you been playing on this site, Chez?
Since the dawn of time.
Your self-vote doesn't seem like a mafia play, but it's not a good town play either if you're town, imo.
Well, gonna have to let the vets sort out the veracity of your claims on Palmar and FF. I've actually liked your play so far, so this and the long absence were really the only questionmarks. Do you have the time to catch up some and give us updated reads/comments?
How can those who are veterans assert whether these claims are correct when they do not even know who I am, let alone grasp how I might view both these players?
I will be present until deadline. I'm not sure if catching up or trying to participate in current conversation is a better use of my time.
I don't think you are among the top lynch candidates at the moment. I would prefer if you spend maybe an hour or so catching up, and then discuss closer to the deadline?
What do you think of me?
Your playstyle makes it difficult. But I get the feeling that you are reading the game and putting some effort.
Mostly, I feel that an extra day to read you would make the read far, far, far more accurate.
I find it weird that marv disagrees, yet his idea does not gain any traction. I am a potentially easy mislynch that no one will blame anyone for, yet no one pushes it through. If I weren't me I'd suspect me being mafia for it. Since I have unique information that this isn't the case, there are a few options; 1. Mafia is afraid of pushing me because I'm a wildcard. 2. The current leading wagons are also town. 3. Mafia has no thread presence/all current players discussing are town.
I'm not sure what to think.
Another thing to consider is that marv voting on you is rather new to the thread and i'm trying to push eden through since then.
If we go down this line of t hought there are two distinct possibilities.
Mafia is not active in the thread when it was going on as you indicated earlier or mafia want to keep you around for a mislynch later as they think you can't clear yourself through play. If we assume you are town and marv is town anyway
On February 02 2015 04:33 Trfel wrote: Here's my analysis of the Eden1892 case.
First, I will give Eden1892 a slight town lean for all of the not wanting to get killed on Night 1 stuff. It just seems like a really weird play as scum. He's already shown that he can play a fine scum game, so why would he do all this talk about playing badly to avoid getting killed Night 1 if he was scum? It's just adding an unnecessary risk. Another option is that he wants to be a bad scum so he dies and doesn't have to keep playing scum, but that isn't the impression that I get from his filter.
One thing to the contrary is that he stopped complaining about this in the Hammertime Mafia obs qt, which Artanis named Eden's Hammertime obs rant corner because he was upset about getting killed on night 1. Eden1892 didn't do much ranting about it then. Why would he rant now? I can definitely see it coming from a town!Eden1892, but it does seem a bit strange.
While he says that he is going to play poorly to not get killed on Night 1, he also shows signs of reading the thread and thinking about it. See his comment on Holyflare's joke case on Damdred, see his questioning of sicklucker on his "my meta says" comment.
The next major thing is his progression on his sicklucker read. He starts by questioning sicklucker's "my meta says" statement, which is a good pressure. Then he says that he is willing to vote sicklucker for not answering the question, and then says that sicklucker actually did answer it. I reread that section twice and I didn't see sicklucker's answer in between these posts (though I guess I could have missed it......). I'm assuming that Eden1892 realized that sicklucker actually did NOT answer this question, and that is why he was willing to follow Holyflare and vote sicklucker to help add pressure. Therefore, I can accept Eden1892's explanation, though the inconsistency that Holyflare brought up still has some merit.
On February 01 2015 14:55 Eden1892 wrote: WAIT no nevermind hes blue lol
This is a terrible post. His progression is "Did Damdred really just claim blue with zero votes" -> "Kill Damdred" -> "Never mind Damdred is blue".
Eden1892 also said that he isn't coming back for End of Day. He will get back just in time to see the lynch. So we aren't going to get any help there.
I guess I'm fine with voting Eden1892. The inconsistencies in his play can be explained, but there are more of them than I would like to see. And those aren't things that he is intentionally doing to not get killed on Night 1.
Really hoping that he is able to check on the thread and give some thoughts.
This post is kinda weird i'm not sure how I feel about it
On January 31 2015 06:53 Holyflare wrote: super serious time
On January 31 2015 06:05 Damdred wrote: Voting damdred is good especially when i'm motivated to do things.
I feel good this game and will be happy to play town.
But yea the other blue named role should probably claim with robik if there is one.
trying to get blues to claim
On January 31 2015 06:07 Damdred wrote: Well I guess finding out the setup isn't that important. But anyway
but then says setup isn't important
On January 31 2015 06:14 Damdred wrote: I am having to go to work for a bit I should be able to make it back for voice in a bit though.
Also people put way to much emphasis on blue play, and if they are claiming named VT or the blue VT it helps narrow down the setup for everyone which scum already knows anyway meh.
still talks about setup and repeats the same thing
On January 31 2015 06:15 Damdred wrote: Scum will know the setup PARTIALLY by know there own makeup, and when robik claimed they were able to figure out and if edens claim is true they pretty much know it at this point.
explains the same thing AGAIN
On January 31 2015 06:18 Damdred wrote: Oh my god let me explain the setup talk
A) 1 That One Program, 1 Proprietary, Intermittently-Functional Driver, 1 OS X, 1 tar, 1 | grep, 8 Linux Distros B) 2 That One Programs, 1 Proprietary, Intermittently-Functional Driver, 1 Favored Distro, 1 tar, 8 Linux Distros C) 2 That One Programs, 1 Proprietary, Intermittently-Functional Driver, 1 Favored Distro, 1 | grep, 8 Linux Distros D) 1 That One Program, 1 Proprietary, Intermittently-Functional Driver, 1 OS X, 2 Favored Distros, 8 Linux Distros
If scum has a godfather setup (A and D) and has two distros claim the setup is known that it has to be D. If they dont' have a godfather they know its between B and C. And if more than one distro claims it really doesn't matter just the doc or cop know what the setup is just as likely as the scum does at that point.
So yea even when you take in the next part you can rule out setup A for sure. Etc., just logically
AND AGAIN!!! :O
On January 31 2015 06:21 Damdred wrote: Of course I always lynch mafia or at least give good thoughts when I can!
then he lies right to my face!
bro is totally mafia cz role fishing and over explanation after he said it wasn't important at all
##vote damdred
Wat. Setup spec isn't role fishing bruh. I didn't think he was actually role fishing
On January 31 2015 06:53 Holyflare wrote: super serious time
On January 31 2015 06:05 Damdred wrote: Voting damdred is good especially when i'm motivated to do things.
I feel good this game and will be happy to play town.
But yea the other blue named role should probably claim with robik if there is one.
trying to get blues to claim
On January 31 2015 06:07 Damdred wrote: Well I guess finding out the setup isn't that important. But anyway
but then says setup isn't important
On January 31 2015 06:14 Damdred wrote: I am having to go to work for a bit I should be able to make it back for voice in a bit though.
Also people put way to much emphasis on blue play, and if they are claiming named VT or the blue VT it helps narrow down the setup for everyone which scum already knows anyway meh.
still talks about setup and repeats the same thing
On January 31 2015 06:15 Damdred wrote: Scum will know the setup PARTIALLY by know there own makeup, and when robik claimed they were able to figure out and if edens claim is true they pretty much know it at this point.
explains the same thing AGAIN
On January 31 2015 06:18 Damdred wrote: Oh my god let me explain the setup talk
A) 1 That One Program, 1 Proprietary, Intermittently-Functional Driver, 1 OS X, 1 tar, 1 | grep, 8 Linux Distros B) 2 That One Programs, 1 Proprietary, Intermittently-Functional Driver, 1 Favored Distro, 1 tar, 8 Linux Distros C) 2 That One Programs, 1 Proprietary, Intermittently-Functional Driver, 1 Favored Distro, 1 | grep, 8 Linux Distros D) 1 That One Program, 1 Proprietary, Intermittently-Functional Driver, 1 OS X, 2 Favored Distros, 8 Linux Distros
If scum has a godfather setup (A and D) and has two distros claim the setup is known that it has to be D. If they dont' have a godfather they know its between B and C. And if more than one distro claims it really doesn't matter just the doc or cop know what the setup is just as likely as the scum does at that point.
So yea even when you take in the next part you can rule out setup A for sure. Etc., just logically
AND AGAIN!!! :O
On January 31 2015 06:21 Damdred wrote: Of course I always lynch mafia or at least give good thoughts when I can!
then he lies right to my face!
bro is totally mafia cz role fishing and over explanation after he said it wasn't important at all
##vote damdred
Wat. Setup spec isn't role fishing bruh. I didn't think he was actually role fishing
he totally fished for roles until i said not to and then went onto setup speculation after saying it was bad and then continued to talk about it after saying it was bad
vote him
I have no idea why you think this makes sense, so I'm gonna shitpost with this hilarious Vine instead of responding.
I think these are the only ones about hf case onme?
EPT
