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On February 02 2015 00:54 Palmar wrote: I like how everyone is trying to kill me over robik because he's a blueclaim when I've claimed gentoo like 3 times now.
Also
##vote holyflare
Being a vet, why don't you explain what you are seeing in HF, that most here are not?
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I'm back in thread. Will be here through deadline.
First thoughts on the whole Eden thing, I believe we might have something. Eden sometime back said that Palmar had to be town based on his behaviour in Hammertime. I disagreed with this since Palmar maintained that he had no meta and he could troll as either alignment. Yet he was willing to townread Palmar based on the same behaviour.
Granted, Eden himself is trolling, but started posting stuff, the quality of his posts I know is up for debate.
As for Palmar, Marv for one suspected Palmar, and I think Chez did post a quote from a game from last year.
I realise neither of them have flipped but it's something to further think about.
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This is tough. Using my knowledge of his super town play in Hammertime, I'm more inclined to scumread him on this play, but given his ranting in that game, I can understand him wanting to tone it down. Since we don't know whether it could be a cover, it is why I was treating his rant as NAI.
I'm still feeling worse about Robik, but another angle looking at Eden is whether he could give his one good point for the day (like that SL read, I mean a lot of people at that time were scumreading SL) and figured that if he was just good enough to not get lynched, he could afk.
His scum play in NYE party mafia was just that. He wasn't townie, but did just enough or convinced just enough to not get lynched.
I had recapped the point on Eden how after the point on SL it was a point on defending Rasputin in the face of 3 of us questioning her but a scum Eden would have perfect information such that he could do that without suspicion.
On February 02 2015 00:54 Half the Sky wrote: The key points I'm gleaning from Eden's filter (from the large posts):
1 The meta claim issue with SL, which he pushed on. (page 2-3 of his filter) 2 Comments on Rasputin after her questioning of Damdred on read progression 3 Defending Palmar based on Hammertime 4 Recapping SL's post
1 and 2 seemed like thought out concepts but afterwards I see what you mean Damdred...
But on account of #3, I feel Palmar can troll as either alignment, and I don't like Robik's claim.
I can see why Eden would be a good lynch for today. I was going to filter dive Robik before leaving but let me look at both those two now.
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But between those two, if I had to decide this VERY second, I'd say Robik. If something jumps out at me specifically from the tilers I'll post here.
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On February 02 2015 04:43 Holyflare wrote: I don't remember anything she's done since the first time she entered the thread.
Odd of you to say this considering we both pushed Rasputin together yesterday...
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On February 02 2015 04:51 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 04:47 Half the Sky wrote:This is tough. Using my knowledge of his super town play in Hammertime, I'm more inclined to scumread him on this play, but given his ranting in that game, I can understand him wanting to tone it down. Since we don't know whether it could be a cover, it is why I was treating his rant as NAI. I'm still feeling worse about Robik, but another angle looking at Eden is whether he could give his one good point for the day (like that SL read, I mean a lot of people at that time were scumreading SL) and figured that if he was just good enough to not get lynched, he could afk. His scum play in NYE party mafia was just that. He wasn't townie, but did just enough or convinced just enough to not get lynched. I had recapped the point on Eden how after the point on SL it was a point on defending Rasputin in the face of 3 of us questioning her but a scum Eden would have perfect information such that he could do that without suspicion. On February 02 2015 00:54 Half the Sky wrote: The key points I'm gleaning from Eden's filter (from the large posts):
1 The meta claim issue with SL, which he pushed on. (page 2-3 of his filter) 2 Comments on Rasputin after her questioning of Damdred on read progression 3 Defending Palmar based on Hammertime 4 Recapping SL's post
1 and 2 seemed like thought out concepts but afterwards I see what you mean Damdred...
But on account of #3, I feel Palmar can troll as either alignment, and I don't like Robik's claim. I can see why Eden would be a good lynch for today. I was going to filter dive Robik before leaving but let me look at both those two now. One problem here, HtS. Last time we talked you still "suspected" me. I know I'm town. How do you?
And after that I had said (though not interacting with you) that you were looking better. I had even unvoted you.
You bolded the part in my quote, if you are wondering that, that is a theoretical on my end. As to if Eden were scum, why #2 in my quote wouldn't make him any more towny.
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On February 02 2015 04:52 Damdred wrote: HTS you go into great detail about why eden is possible scum? But then you decide robik is the better lynch if you had to lynch this second with a lot less information? Why?
I am struggling with why Robik would claim blue so early in the game and AFK the whole weekend. That's my biggest beef. It reminds me of what Celestial did in Newbie LX, as I said before.
Which is why I'm filter diving both again.
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On February 02 2015 04:59 Chezitwo wrote: Robik rolled scum in both Hammertime and PYP. I can imagine him going for a play like this and afk as scum actually.
100%
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Damdred, I'll elaborate on his play in Hammertime.
He spends D1 pushing the shit out of GlowingBear with little evidence. I was scumreading GB for things I took out of context as one of the towniest people in the thread. Robik was able to push him on something relatively minor, but after D1 came back and just repeated the same push on GB. Never came under suspicion after that and AFKed as the rest of the townies were pointing at each other.
We were endgamed last night.
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On February 02 2015 05:02 rsoultin wrote: I had Celestial speared to the wall and the rest of the thread was up his grill right along with me. You were in that Obs QT HtS. I have a hard time thinking you actually believe what you're saying right now.
Not the first time I'm bringing up this parallel.
Similar issues here, people suspected Robik on the blue claim and even you and Trfel pushed those ideas. The circumstances of them being scummy is different, but overall, we have the same situation of them being pushed to nearly the point of lynch. I read what you had posted, and debated those possibilities along with what I knew of Robik's gameplay.
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On February 02 2015 05:05 Eden1892 wrote: HtS just vote me. It sucks that we lost the Rb but that's life
And you're just saying that to get me mislynched. You're past your troll honeymoon phase...
##unvote ##vote Eden1892
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So if Eden indeed flips scum we need to look into both Palmar and Holyflare.
Eden tried to steer us away from Palmar earlier today. Holyflare pushed the shit out of Damdred, who was largely responsible for this push.
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45 minutes. Never too early to be thinking ahead Rasputin.
Nothing should make you more happier than to do one of your coaches in
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On February 02 2015 05:26 marvellosity wrote: kill eden
I agree, he's completely trying to get me mislynched. As for me "justifying" it Eden that was a seriously weak point. I said the first thing on my mind.
Why would you claim cop in that manner D1, you're experienced enough to know better, I'd think.
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On February 02 2015 05:33 LightningStrike wrote: Also the last time someone claimed blue 1 in a game with me in it a hour before EoD and claimed a specific role they got away with it for the remainder of the game (Celestial in the Newbie game) and I don't want to take that chance.
THANK GOD I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE FEELING THIS WAY.
I said the same thing twice over earlier and Rasputin scumread me for it.
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Eden you are cracking me up.
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On February 02 2015 05:41 marvellosity wrote: kill eden
Have you become Palmar-lite?
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Wait, sorry Marv, you weren't in Hammertime. Palmar was spamming "Kill Toad" all of D1 and D2 in that game...
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On February 02 2015 05:55 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 05:52 Trfel wrote: Wait, I don't understand, is Holyflare actually claiming blue? Holyflare is claiming blue. 100%.
So how many claims do we have out? 3 (excluding Eden)? I recall Robik, Damdred soft claimed I think earlier and now HF?
How do you feel about that Robik claim at this point?
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On February 02 2015 05:55 Eden1892 wrote: I was serious about the n1 rant though. And work. Like if you take one thing away from this game, it should be "The next time I'm mafia when Eden is town, I will never vote to kill him n1."
LOL I took it as NAI given the Hammertime game....
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