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On February 01 2015 13:19 Half the Sky wrote:
Given the discussion on LS right now...
Off the cuff, I'm getting the usual LS town read from what I've read of him so far. LS is someone however, that people do tend to scumread, sometimes as has been said he's not fully articulate and sometimes a scum player can take advantage of that (honestly, I did in Newbie LX...yeah I know LS even mentioned he's still bitter on that).
Even in Carol, he was sheeping left, right, everywhere and the only reason he wasn't being scumread in that game was because he claimed a ghost fairly early on.
So someone (not nec Damdred) scumreading him could be a potential red flag, maybe.
Is there anyone scumreading him??
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On February 01 2015 13:25 Holyflare wrote:I literally think nothing anyone is talking about is relevant at the moment. Focus on SL and his inconsistent shit, I'm pretty sure he's mafia and he STILL hasn't acknowledged this at all: Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 10:03 Holyflare wrote:On January 31 2015 09:37 Holyflare wrote:On January 31 2015 09:36 sicklucker wrote:
Hf why do you scum read me I dont actually understand yours. And edens is weird too. Hes like HES MAD SO HES MAFIA? If I was mafia I would be super happy robik claimed if damdred's reason for scum reading you makes sense and he copied my original scum read on you (not the later stuff) then why does MY scum read on you not make sense at all???????? Eden's is ALSO THE SAME AS DAMDRED'S but he has some super sketchy actions about it. On February 01 2015 02:46 Holyflare wrote:On January 31 2015 13:36 sicklucker wrote:
Edens scum because hes calling me salty about the robik thing while calling me mafia. If im mafia im not salty I would acualy be quite happy about . Therefor I propose that eden is certainly scum.
although this post is another double standard because I was the one calling him salty 24/7 and posting pictures of salt and salt shakers and I'm not mafia and he didn't even mention me at all
He actually did respond to this.
On February 01 2015 12:04 sicklucker wrote:
Like its a double standard. He cant think im scum and be mad at the same time. Idc what hf says I read eden for this not him.
Eden was way more serious about it and used it as a reason to scum read me. Hf just said I was salty but never scum read me for that point
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Yeah, in the end I'm just not sold on a Damdred lynch.
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On February 01 2015 13:29 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 13:25 Half the Sky wrote:
Cheers Rasputin.
(In the meantime I've unvoted you. I get the sense what you have been doing is town-driven. Accurate, that's another question...) Well, if you think I'm wrong, you really should speak up. I'm trying to find reasons Damdred isn't a good lynch, which is why I'm questioning him still.
I don't think that Damdred is a good lynch.
Reading through his filter, it does seem like overall he is trying to discern alignments. I disagree with his methods and results, but it looks like he is generally trying.
I'm still suspicious of him, just like I am suspicious of you (rsoultin), but I don't think either are good lynches for today.
The change in view on a Palmar lynch is probably the biggest point against Damdred, but I don't think that is enough to lynch him.
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What do people who aren't Damdred think of my alignment?
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Chezitwo is clearly playing the game in his own way. He is reading it, and I'm assuming that he is understanding it, but he isn't providing many thoughts to the thread. I see it as nothing more than a policy lynch.
If he keeps this up, I could become much more willing to lynch him.
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I guess a sicklucker lynch wouldn't be terrible. I'll leave my vote there for now.
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I guess I just don't understand why I am being scumread by Damdred. I'm pretty sure my filter in this game is longer than my filter in all of my previous games. I've been using pressure a lot more than I used to, and it hasn't been especially effective, but I feel like it is clear that I am genuinely scumhunting. I've explained my thoughts and provided evidence using quotes.
I suppose it's possible that I'm wrong, and I don't look towny at all. Which is why I'm asking, to figure out if Damdred's read on me is crazy or not.
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I didn't vote sicklucker out of the blue. For some time I've been trying to get a read on him, I've been asking for help with that a good bit. And I've explained why I keep going back and forth on him. And I explained why I think that his play seems scummier than normal (the scumread on Eden1892, primarily).
I've also mentioned that I want to have my vote in a reasonable place tonight, since I won't be on very much tomorrow and will be gone for the deadline. It's getting late, so I I would vote. Sicklucker is currently a wagon, so it's not a wasted vote.
I'm not going to say that my sicklucker read is 100%, but I think that he is currently the most likely scum, and therefore the best lynch at the moment.
I can support all of this, except for the single sentence previous, with quotes that I have previously stated if you would like.
Today, I have seriously investigated rsoultin, Damdred, and sicklucker. I'm townreading LightningStrike, Half the Sky, marvellosity, and Holyflare. That leaves Chezitwo, IAmRobik, Eden1892, and FecalFeast, of which only Eden1892 has provided enough real thought and content that I could potentially get an accurate read on. If you want me to do something other than vote sicklucker, you'll have to explain why.
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On February 01 2015 13:55 Damdred wrote:
Here we go trfel I'll explain what I'm seeing at least and be respectful because its what I would want done to me and we can discuss it in a somewhat civilized fashion. No quotes though as il be phone posting for awhile yet.
The first interactions we have with you and the thread are pretty lack luster and pretty unhelpful towards the thread and not really to content filled. Your first significant post is a somewhat big list post that is full of bulls and one town read. It has the look of someone paying attention and contributing but on closer inspection it really isn't.
Some of your later posts are better its true but to me there isn't a ton of commitable reads and a lot of the thoughts are pretty thread sentiments.
The push on me feels like a sheep and it got dropped pretty fast even though it seemed like you had a pretty strong scun read, and then you vote with me on SL and say I guess SL.
No strong reads really and not scum hunting
Yes, I wasn't very effective at the start of the game. I won't deny that. However, as I have discussed already, that list post stated that I was suspicious of sicklucker. I've maintained this view throughout the game. When I look back at it, it's actually not a big list post, it's a small collection of a few thoughts. The post looks small, it is small, there is no intent to try and force reads.
What about the times where I went against the thread sentiment, like when I started considering defending rsoultin? And when I said that the mafia seem to be lurking, and that the thread is potentially primarily townies? I still stand by that statement, by the way. In the past, my intuition like that has been correct (see Carol of the Bells, where I felt that the mafia were supporting my case on KelsierSC, and Newbie Mafia, where I felt that all of the Day 1 lynch targets were town and that scum wasn't having to do anything). I think that sicklucker is most likely to be scum, and I have kept this view rather consistently. I'm also suspicious of rsoultin and Damdred.
I wasn't pushing you. I disagreed with your reads and statements (still do), and I responded more aggressively than I should have. Believe me, if I want to push someone, I would open up with a comprehensive case and then use that to push the lynch, not baseless comments. See my play in Student Mafia IV and Carol of the Bells.
I looked through your filter, and while I disagreed with several of your reads and reasoning, I didn't think there was enough to lynch you at the time. Are you saying that there is anything wrong with this? My looking through your filter shows that I am scumhunting, and if you are in fact town, then deciding not to lynch you is a good decision. I didn't provide evidence, since the reason I decided not to lynch you yet was more a lack of sufficient evidence for you being scum, not evidence for you being town.
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Anger, that's the one part of Holyflare's town meta that was missing XD
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Hm. Well I guess that happened.
Sorry that you're upset Damdred. I'll definitely try to play in a more civil fashion from now on, getting mad really doesn't help anything.
Side note, does someone mind taking the time to assume for a moment that I am 100% confirmed town and then giving me advice on how I could improve my play? This game is a good example of what I'm getting at, I just don't feel like I've been playing effectively. I see no reason to wait until after the game to start trying to improve my play, if someone is willing to help me.
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On February 01 2015 14:39 Holyflare wrote:
holy fucking shit what game are you even reading
Please, let up on Damdred for now....
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On February 01 2015 14:39 Trfel wrote:
Side note, does someone mind taking the time to assume for a moment that I am 100% confirmed town and then giving me advice on how I could improve my play? This game is a good example of what I'm getting at, I just don't feel like I've been playing effectively. I see no reason to wait until after the game to start trying to improve my play, if someone is willing to help me.
I guess I'll request this again. I feel useless, and I really don't like that feeling. Someone help me please?
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I'm not opposed to lynching IAmRobik. The main reason against it is that everyone seems to think that the claim means he shouldn't get lynched.
Normally I would be inclined to leave him be, but I'm not seeing that much else to work with right now.
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How many people would be willing to lynch Robik?
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Damdred, who do you want to lynch?
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I agree with rsoultin.
Assuming that we are in fact dealing with mafia!IAmRobik, and the claim is false, based on how the modifications work there is only a 33% chance that we can get three other flipped/claimed blues. Which means that there is a very low chance of his claim ever being proven false.
I won't lynch him for going afk, but when he was here, his play didn't seem particularly good.
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I guess I'm looking at Palmar, sicklucker, or IAmRobik for the lynch.
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Holyflare, thoughts on lynching IAmRobik?
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