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On February 01 2015 00:40 Damdred wrote:
Really hard disbelief/doubt on robik claim when it happened. This is interesting to me because of the difference in what Trfel did and thread. People were mad at Rob claiming but believed it, brownies generally believe claims due to it adding more information and game being slightly easier even if it's bad. Mafia already knew partial setup, and disbelief to robik claim could be a Scum slip from to much info.
I'm back. Damdred, I saw this. I think if he was confused, he should have asked. Trfel IS inexperienced, but a townie would be trying to ask first instead of disregarding the evidence. Granted I was scum in that game but the point stands.
If Trfel does turn out to be scum, maybe it's possible we should look into Robik. I know it's early for associative reads and they are poor but it's just a thought.
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On February 01 2015 01:03 Damdred wrote:
IDK why Trfel would change his town game he's always obvious town and is impactful when he plays meh
To be fair Damdred, in past obs QTs, he has expressed some frustration at getting killed prematurely. His first two games, he was a blue, and third game in Newbie, we (I was scum in that game) killed him because he's solid at making cases.
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EBWOP - his first two games, he was KILLED PREMATURELY as a blue....
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On February 01 2015 02:28 Holyflare wrote:
We can lynch palmar for free mafia today
Palmar is striking me as policy, unless you're metaing him for scum.
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On January 31 2015 06:13 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2015 06:10 LightningStrike wrote:On January 31 2015 06:09 Trfel wrote:
Why did Robik claim in the first place anyway? I have no experience in this area...
I'm sorry, roleclaims is something I don't understand in the slightest. GlowingBear hard claimed VT in Student V Day 1 which you just played. And the reason for that is to generate discussion. I'm not sure if that is Robik's intent here. If it is, then my talking about it is good. If it isn't, it would be nice to know the real reason for why he did this? I guess, I would think that feeding the mafia a free blue role (even if it is just a named VT) would not offset the benefits of his claim. In fact, I'm not really convinced that he is town. Should I be?
Hold on. I stand corrected on Trfel. He DID ask....however, this DOES sound waffly. He doesn't seem to have the information, he's asking and then concludes he's not convinced he's town?
Is anyone else confused by this?
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Damdred if you are still here, I'm going to jump into LS's filter next. I'm trying to understand why we are coming up with different reads. You're basically saying he's different or you have a different feel or something. Did something in particular jump out at you?
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One more point on Trfel.
On January 31 2015 17:06 Trfel wrote:
I still don't like Robik's claim, and I don't think it makes him confirmed town. I asked a few times for an explanation, and no one really gave one, so I'll just ignore this for now. If it comes down to this in later stages of the game, I'll take another look. Roles, setup, and claims really aren't something I understand.
So Trfel, you don't understand claims coming out of Student Mafia where two people claimed, one claim of which brought you down. You came to me after Carol saying you liked my play at the end, where I claimed medic to save myself.
People have also claimed VT in some of the games you have played.
Basically you've had enough games where there's been many claims, or you have observed them.
My conclusion here is that I don't find what you are saying believable.
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On February 01 2015 03:03 Holyflare wrote:
ls seems pretty towny to me?
That's how I feel, but Damdred apparently feels otherwise. I'm double checking to make sure I didn't miss something.
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On February 01 2015 02:54 Holyflare wrote:
absolutely 0 policy, chez even linked a post where he says he lynches all people that haven't read their role pm. The last time I've seen him do that was world heavyweight 2? he was mafia
I don't know Chez (must be a smurf I'm guessing), let alone what he was trying to convey but at least now it makes sense with your explanation. So basically meta.
On January 31 2015 20:40 Chezitwo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 11:01 Palmar wrote:
Just so it's clear. Until @chairman comes into thread and says "I read my role pm" I'm not doing, reading or voting anything else. ##Vote Palmar
From experience with Palmar, he's come off as a troll when messing around, but it wasn't fully indicative to me and I didn't make a conclusion on him until he did what he did for the better part of the day (as opposed the first few hours), though it proved incorrect.
Disregarding meta, I am coming to a policy lynch based off his current behaviour (and not knowing that game you referenced), but now I understand your position.
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Alright, I did go back. I stand corrected Damdred, only reinforces LS as a town read.
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I'd like a few more opinions on Robik, I brought it up before, but what do some of you currently in thread think?
As I said before, Robik is not doing a whole lot so far. He voted Damdred, he's not particularly pushing Damdred. So that's a possible red flag. Think he said something along the lines of "it only matters to me or something" and then when HF calls him out, he talks about formatting. That was the last post in his filter.
So I'm confused there.
Also of all the other things he's said, I looked at these:
On January 31 2015 07:00 IAmRobik wrote:Cause your case revolves around him talking about the setup, and while his posts aren't useful, they're not scummy.
On January 31 2015 07:08 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2015 07:02 Holyflare wrote:On January 31 2015 07:00 Eden1892 wrote:On January 31 2015 06:53 Holyflare wrote:super serious time On January 31 2015 06:05 Damdred wrote:
Voting damdred is good especially when i'm motivated to do things.
I feel good this game and will be happy to play town.
But yea the other blue named role should probably claim with robik if there is one. trying to get blues to claim On January 31 2015 06:07 Damdred wrote:
Well I guess finding out the setup isn't that important. But anyway but then says setup isn't important On January 31 2015 06:14 Damdred wrote:
I am having to go to work for a bit I should be able to make it back for voice in a bit though.
Also people put way to much emphasis on blue play, and if they are claiming named VT or the blue VT it helps narrow down the setup for everyone which scum already knows anyway meh. still talks about setup and repeats the same thing On January 31 2015 06:15 Damdred wrote:
Scum will know the setup PARTIALLY by know there own makeup, and when robik claimed they were able to figure out and if edens claim is true they pretty much know it at this point. explains the same thing AGAIN On January 31 2015 06:18 Damdred wrote:
Oh my god let me explain the setup talk
A) 1 That One Program, 1 Proprietary, Intermittently-Functional Driver, 1 OS X, 1 tar, 1 | grep, 8 Linux Distros
B) 2 That One Programs, 1 Proprietary, Intermittently-Functional Driver, 1 Favored Distro, 1 tar, 8 Linux Distros
C) 2 That One Programs, 1 Proprietary, Intermittently-Functional Driver, 1 Favored Distro, 1 | grep, 8 Linux Distros
D) 1 That One Program, 1 Proprietary, Intermittently-Functional Driver, 1 OS X, 2 Favored Distros, 8 Linux Distros
If scum has a godfather setup (A and D) and has two distros claim the setup is known that it has to be D. If they dont' have a godfather they know its between B and C. And if more than one distro claims it really doesn't matter just the doc or cop know what the setup is just as likely as the scum does at that point.
So yea even when you take in the next part you can rule out setup A for sure. Etc., just logically AND AGAIN!!! :O On January 31 2015 06:21 Damdred wrote:
Of course I always lynch mafia or at least give good thoughts when I can! then he lies right to my face! bro is totally mafia cz role fishing and over explanation after he said it wasn't important at all
##vote damdred Wat. Setup spec isn't role fishing bruh. I didn't think he was actually role fishing he totally fished for roles until i said not to and then went onto setup speculation after saying it was bad and then continued to talk about it after saying it was bad vote him When I first started here, I would say setup speculation was really scummy. But then I realized that most TLers suck at mafia, so I can see why they would default to talking about shit that doesn't matter
I think the first quote is noncomittal, I feel and second quote he's making a generalisation when Damdred was the one that made the quote. I think he'd have been more town if he specifically commented on Damdred making that quote.
Also Damdred, just realised I missed your question - would I lynch Robik?
With the information I have right now? I'd put him on the lynchables list, but Sicklucker seems to be the worst of everyone so far.
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Palmar what are your reads on people so far? Probably the first and obvious thing.
Second what are your thoughts on HF and Chez scumreading you based on meta? Including the relevant quotes:
On January 31 2015 20:40 Chezitwo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 11:01 Palmar wrote:
Just so it's clear. Until @chairman comes into thread and says "I read my role pm" I'm not doing, reading or voting anything else. ##Vote Palmar
On February 01 2015 02:52 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 02:28 Holyflare wrote:
We can lynch palmar for free mafia today Palmar is striking me as policy, unless you're metaing him for scum.
On February 01 2015 02:54 Holyflare wrote:
absolutely 0 policy, chez even linked a post where he says he lynches all people that haven't read their role pm. The last time I've seen him do that was world heavyweight 2? he was mafia
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On February 01 2015 01:08 Chezitwo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2015 23:46 Half the Sky wrote:
I'm looking at Chez's filter.
No idea where he's going with his ideas. His linked explanation to Fecalfeast's vote simply linked to his filter. Why don't you explain exactly what about Fecalfeast made him scumlike?
Then he asks Marv whether he's a distro, when his vote is on him. Where did that come from? Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 00:12 Half the Sky wrote:Damdred - On Fecalfeast, I'm not sure his first post On January 31 2015 07:11 Fecalfeast wrote:
So I am thinking scum!damdred wouldn't talk about scum strategy in thread, what's the point as scum to talk about what scum knows and needs to confirm in thread? The over-explaination doesn't feel scummy to me idk I would think overexplanation of things is generally a scum trait, but it could be faulty reasoning. Not much to glean from most of his posts at the moment. I get this thought of laziness from the first few hours of the game. This quote is also a potential issue: On January 31 2015 13:14 Fecalfeast wrote:
Can I just be your hype man this game HF? I'll stand behind you looking tough and intimidating while sporadically interjecting with generic agreements. Now as I said, I'm reading HF as town. But the issue with this quote is a few things: 1 not an interest to solve the game himself 2 HF obv not confirmed town - if both are scum, this could be quite dangerous 3 Could be a scum trying to take advantage of a possible incorrect read by HF On these two quotes, he doesn't look so good, but let's see if he picks things up. I gave you the fishing rod, it seems you can fish fine for yourself!
Chez, yes, you might be right about the bolded but my issue with these quotes is that you don't appear to be thinking critically - in this case, I had to answer that question for you.
Also you didn't answer this question. You asked Marv whether he's a distro, when your vote was on him at that time. Where did that come from?
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On February 01 2015 04:20 marvellosity wrote:
rsoultin might actually be mafia though
lots of town-passes, lots of no-lynch-today passes, very few suspicions or pushes
Well she isn't as assertive as I'm used to her in her town games. I've yet to play a game with her when she RNGs scum.
What you've said above is supported by the lack of such in her filter.
Also in case you missed Marv...this was one thing that stuck to me, but after posting, Ras gave me a town pass, not sure if she was trying to find a random reason at the time to scumread me.
On February 01 2015 00:02 Half the Sky wrote:Marv and Damdred, what do you think about this? Show nested quote +On January 31 2015 23:50 rsoultin wrote:
I like chez. He at least is entertaining. I get the "a happy marv is a townie marv" read, even if I'm not entirely sure how accurate it is. Plus he made a funny. If he dies today the rest of you will bore me to tears ;o; Earlier she said this about me: Show nested quote +On January 31 2015 23:40 rsoultin wrote:
You're boring cause all you're doing is making excuses and posting list posts that don't dazzle me. I like to be dazzled.
Come at me bae. And from what I can tell of Chez, he's not quite doing anything substantial. At least not in terms of solving the game...yet. Not from which I can tell.
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On February 01 2015 04:24 rsoultin wrote:
More no-lynch than town, but essentially you're correct. I'm not seeing anyone jumping out at me today, and contrary to popular opinion I actually don't just randomly tunnel people for the lolz.
Rasputin....
Sicklucker has 3-4 votes on him. You commented on him twice. You don't have a conclusion on him yet for the time you've been in game (even having to catch up)? Nothing about SL is jumping out at you either way?
Seriously?
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On February 01 2015 04:28 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 04:27 Trfel wrote:
Palmar, you are currently leading the voting. Please do something about it. I'm just here so I won't get lynched.
Trfel are you not with the program? Sicklucker has 4 votes.
And Palmar you aren't helping yourself doing jack all. Answer my questions please.
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On February 01 2015 04:35 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 01:20 rsoultin wrote:
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SL I just don't know about. It's very possible he could be scum but I always think that about him so I don't know. One thing that stood out about me regarding him is he's just not up to his usual mind-fuckery town antics so far this game. I don't know that the rage! based on what his meta said thing is scum SL or just irrational SL. ^ That. I've questioned him about reading LS town for hard townreading him but it's SL. If you've got a good way to read the spaz, please let me know. [...]
Then why aren't you pushing sicklucker (further) or asking him about it? You have a meta point on his "town antics" so that's something you could have used to flesh things out with him.
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On February 01 2015 04:42 rsoultin wrote:
If this is truly the best case, this thread needs life support xP
Daaaammmdred.
You're not helping yourself here exactly...you aren't particularly assertive this game. At all. This is my fourth game with you so I am qualified here to say that something isn't quite right.
Step it up m'lady.
##unvote
##vote Rasputin
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On February 01 2015 04:44 rsoultin wrote:
Lol do you see him in the thread, hun?
What exactly do you expect him to answer when I ask him why he's not being a spaz this time around?
That's irrelevant. Completely irrelevant. Look at how I played in Newbie LX as only one of two Euros in the entire game. I posted my questions/thoughts even with no one around, and re-referenced to my targets if I did manage to interact with them.
I bitched about timezones - can't stay up until 4am GMT, could have kept bitching about them, but I didn't.
If you're town, you won't make (in this case) him not being around an excuse.
Ask away and reform your read as appropriate. You're just making excuses now.
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On February 01 2015 04:48 Chezitwo wrote:
How so? The answers were clear and right here.
Can you point me to where I voted for Marv?
You did not answer!![/QUOTE]
Because I've been pushing another player. Hold on.
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