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I see no issue with my reasoning. If it's your shtick as town to criticize quick role claims, and you know it is, then you're going to do it as mafia even if you're actually happy about it, because you're going to try to emulate your perception of your town behavior. You're going to do it, and because you're doing it artificially instead of naturally, it might not be a perfect facsimile of your town behavior. You might be underselling it, like you don't really care... or you might be overselling it, and become unreasonably upset about it, and unreasonably defensive when people call you on it.
In other words, exactly what I was worried about with you. Your statement that this is what "your meta says," as I'm interpreting it, seems to reinforce this idea, because it indicates that you were deliberately trying to interpret your own meta on the subject, when as town you presumably wouldn't be bothered about it.
I think you need to answer my question now. Am I misinterpreting your statement I quoted, and if so, how? If I'm not, how else am I supposed to interpret your behavior other than "you oversold your town proclivity to hate on blue claims because you aren't actually town"?
Work with me here. I'm entertaining the idea of your innocence, but if you don't cooperate with me when I ask a basic and important question, you give me very little recourse to assuming your guilt.
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On January 31 2015 18:29 sicklucker wrote:
Can you at least explain your policy lynch? Thats way too convenient.
Bruh I better be x-posting with you answering my questions now.
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Sigh. I don't understand what there is not to understand about my question. Maybe breaking it down will help?
What did you mean by this:
Its a really really bad play and my meta says I always try to stop people from doing it.
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And why did you get mad at Robik for his claim?
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rsoultin what are your reads right now and why?
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also I'm back for maybe an hour or so, what did I miss besides rsoultin being scumread(?!?!?!?!)
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also has IAm "Town Jesus" "tGOAT" Robik posted recently
I miss that dude and missed him when I was skimming earlier
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On February 01 2015 06:20 marvellosity wrote:
why don't you just read the thread and decide for yourself?
Don't have a lot of time, some 30 hours or so of the first day is getting devoted to work and sleep instead of productive things like mafia :/
As it is I've got an hour, so. Highlights? Cliffs? Play-by-play? ESportsCenter Top 10?
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On February 01 2015 06:21 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 06:16 rsoultin wrote:On February 01 2015 06:14 Trfel wrote:
I'm just worried that one or both of marvellosity and Holyflare is scum and they are going to completely destroy us. Is there a reason for your paranoia beyond paranoia? I've seen a lot of games where a skilled player is mafia, and convinces everyone that they are town, and in a few days the best townies are dead and it is too late. See Eden1892 in New Year's Eve mafia, Artanis[Xp] in Imperial Mafia, DarthPunk in Student Mafia V, etc. For only being here a few months and not watching all of the games in that time, that is a lot of games. Add that to Holyflare and marvellosity both being capable of playing some of the best scum games on the site....
Lol I didn't convince anyone I was town that game, I just convinced people not to lynch me. That is the difference.
I think both Holyflare and marv are okay for now given what I've read (which isn't everything yet), so I wouldn't worry yourself yet. Get worried when people start going "wow this dude is mafia" and for some reason a wagon isn't materializing. That's probably the best way to sort out that paranoia. Otherwise you'll turn into a donkey like me in World Heavyweight and randomly make huge shitty tunnel cases on them that just fuck up the thread.
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On February 01 2015 06:22 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 06:18 Eden1892 wrote:
rsoultin what are your reads right now and why? Do you want a list post or something? I actually have been pretty open with where I stand on everyone.
Gimme your 3 reads in which you're most confident, one of which needs to be a suspect. I'll just filter dive you for the rest.
I ask b/c people are scumreading you and I have a strong bias toward townreading you so I wanna catch up by touching base with you
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On February 01 2015 06:23 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 06:22 Eden1892 wrote:On February 01 2015 06:20 marvellosity wrote:
why don't you just read the thread and decide for yourself? Don't have a lot of time, some 30 hours or so of the first day is getting devoted to work and sleep instead of productive things like mafia :/ As it is I've got an hour, so. Highlights? Cliffs? Play-by-play? ESportsCenter Top 10? I think that sicklucker and Palmar are generally considered likely scum, and rsoultin not far behind. A few questions for Damdred when he gets back. Half the Sky got townread. I think that's about it?
Wait why's Palmar being suspected? I get people getting annoyed with his troll d1 shtick but this is almost literally becoming his standard d1 town play. Like he literally just did this in Hammertime Mafia d1 and got mislynched d2. If he's mafia there's no way he does that same thing IMO
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On February 01 2015 06:26 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 06:24 Eden1892 wrote:On February 01 2015 06:21 Trfel wrote:On February 01 2015 06:16 rsoultin wrote:On February 01 2015 06:14 Trfel wrote:
I'm just worried that one or both of marvellosity and Holyflare is scum and they are going to completely destroy us. Is there a reason for your paranoia beyond paranoia? I've seen a lot of games where a skilled player is mafia, and convinces everyone that they are town, and in a few days the best townies are dead and it is too late. See Eden1892 in New Year's Eve mafia, Artanis[Xp] in Imperial Mafia, DarthPunk in Student Mafia V, etc. For only being here a few months and not watching all of the games in that time, that is a lot of games. Add that to Holyflare and marvellosity both being capable of playing some of the best scum games on the site.... Lol I didn't convince anyone I was town that game, I just convinced people not to lynch me. That is the difference. I think both Holyflare and marv are okay for now given what I've read (which isn't everything yet), so I wouldn't worry yourself yet. Get worried when people start going "wow this dude is mafia" and for some reason a wagon isn't materializing. That's probably the best way to sort out that paranoia. Otherwise you'll turn into a donkey like me in World Heavyweight and randomly make huge shitty tunnel cases on them that just fuck up the thread. um so you haven't read anything but already know we're both town for now? ok?
given what I've read (which isn't everything yet)
um so you haven't read anything but
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On February 01 2015 06:32 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 06:26 Eden1892 wrote:On February 01 2015 06:22 rsoultin wrote:On February 01 2015 06:18 Eden1892 wrote:
rsoultin what are your reads right now and why? Do you want a list post or something? I actually have been pretty open with where I stand on everyone. Gimme your 3 reads in which you're most confident, one of which needs to be a suspect. I'll just filter dive you for the rest. I ask b/c people are scumreading you and I have a strong bias toward townreading you so I wanna catch up by touching base with you HF and LS for town. HF is obv, and LS had a strange start imo but this looks like his townplay, he's pressuring, and he's one of the players I'm most familiar with. Damdred for his read-progression on Palmar. If Palmar flips scum, and people don't look at Damdred, they're idiots or scum themselves.
I tentatively townread rsoultin pending further catching up.
The Damdred read is what I would expect from town!rsoultin. When she and I were working together in Student V, there was a lot of stuff that I wanted to recommend to her to do that I felt like I couldn't because I'd be hydraing instead of coaching. I kept some of my reads and whatnot at arm's length and spent most of my time asking her questions to help her focus her thought process. She pays close attention to detail and picks up on a lot of apparent contradictions in others' posts and questions them to find her answers. Regardless of whether you think the Damdred read is especially compelling, the structure of it certainly fits that mold. And while I admit I haven't seen her play mafia sided, I think she would probably struggle to pay the same attention to detail for her first few outings, because it's natural for newer mafia sided players not to be as attentive as they normally are, since they don't have any answers to find.
I think she's town, and separately I actually do like her comments on Damdred, whose flip on Palmar was completely unexplained from a quick search of his filter. I get why he'd like Palmar's jokes and not want to lynch him, since that's where I'm at. I also get why he would view Palmar as a policy lynch, because that's where I was on d1 of Hammertime. I don't get how he could go from one to the other when Palmar's behavior doesn't change at all, and it doesn't help that he doesn't explain.
I think Damdred is a good lynch right now.
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On February 01 2015 06:39 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 06:27 Eden1892 wrote:On February 01 2015 06:23 Trfel wrote:On February 01 2015 06:22 Eden1892 wrote:On February 01 2015 06:20 marvellosity wrote:
why don't you just read the thread and decide for yourself? Don't have a lot of time, some 30 hours or so of the first day is getting devoted to work and sleep instead of productive things like mafia :/ As it is I've got an hour, so. Highlights? Cliffs? Play-by-play? ESportsCenter Top 10? I think that sicklucker and Palmar are generally considered likely scum, and rsoultin not far behind. A few questions for Damdred when he gets back. Half the Sky got townread. I think that's about it? Wait why's Palmar being suspected? I get people getting annoyed with his troll d1 shtick but this is almost literally becoming his standard d1 town play. Like he literally just did this in Hammertime Mafia d1 and got mislynched d2. If he's mafia there's no way he does that same thing IMO you don't understand palmar at all
k
he town doe...
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like if he would really do the exact same thing then just lol. I really don't see it
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I just don't buy it man. I admit I'm a bit mad at myself because I feel like I wasted more of d1 in that game than I should have chasing my tail with him, so maybe I'm overlooking something I shouldn't be, but the pattern match is just too real for me rn
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On February 01 2015 06:49 marvellosity wrote:
you don't have to see it, you just listen to the guy who's played 30 games with him
can we kill damdred instead
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Oh I just noticed Robik was already voting Damdred
Lol
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On February 01 2015 06:51 marvellosity wrote:
don't care if you buy it
you don't care to help me buy it...?
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On February 01 2015 06:53 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 06:52 Eden1892 wrote:On February 01 2015 06:51 marvellosity wrote:
don't care if you buy it you don't care to help me buy it...? nope, you're irrelevant
false
i'm a medic dodge, not a relevant
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On February 01 2015 06:53 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 03:40 Damdred wrote:On February 01 2015 03:08 rsoultin wrote:
LS' play has gotten progressively more townie as the game went on, imo. I, too, found his read on SL odd, so I can't blame Damdred for that.
If Damdy still thinks that LS is scum, though, I'd like to hear why. People not reading thread get Scum points strike one to hts and rs this kind of post is more aggressive than i expect from mafia damdred
lol "scum points" is aggressive? is damdred just a huge wuss as mafia then or something?
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