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On February 01 2015 04:49 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 04:45 Half the Sky wrote:On February 01 2015 04:42 rsoultin wrote:
If this is truly the best case, this thread needs life support xP
Daaaammmdred. You're not helping yourself here exactly...you aren't particularly assertive this game. At all. This is my fourth game with you so I am qualified here to say that something isn't quite right. Step it up m'lady. ##unvote
##vote Rasputin Ya know, I do kinda get where y'all get the misconception that I'm always aggressive, but I actually need something hitting me in the face to want to chase after. I'm not seeing that. And I'm really not understanding where anyone else is seeing it, either. Not going to just RNG someone to tunnel to satisfy y'all's expectations of my "bulldog" reputation, thank you much.
I still don't know why have (or at least think you have) a tunneling reputation. Your play seems fine to me.
But you really aren't scumreading anyone at this point?
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On February 01 2015 04:59 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 04:52 Trfel wrote:On February 01 2015 04:49 rsoultin wrote:On February 01 2015 04:45 Half the Sky wrote:On February 01 2015 04:42 rsoultin wrote:
If this is truly the best case, this thread needs life support xP
Daaaammmdred. You're not helping yourself here exactly...you aren't particularly assertive this game. At all. This is my fourth game with you so I am qualified here to say that something isn't quite right. Step it up m'lady. ##unvote
##vote Rasputin Ya know, I do kinda get where y'all get the misconception that I'm always aggressive, but I actually need something hitting me in the face to want to chase after. I'm not seeing that. And I'm really not understanding where anyone else is seeing it, either. Not going to just RNG someone to tunnel to satisfy y'all's expectations of my "bulldog" reputation, thank you much. I still don't know why have (or at least think you have) a tunneling reputation. Your play seems fine to me. But you really aren't scumreading anyone at this point? Lol, it sounds bad and I should just throw out names to appease the masses, but I'm not seeing it. Your entrance has been better. Others are just question marks. I'm not certain about several people, including Damdred, SL and Robik...Palmar for me would be a policy lynch though the vets are calling it a meta read... But as for strong lynch them now scum, no.
I want to believe you. I really do.
I've felt the exact same way in the recent past. It was the game where I was mafia.
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rsoultin, I could be convinced to defend you, you just have to give me a reason to do so. And I haven't really found one yet.
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On February 01 2015 05:04 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 05:03 Trfel wrote:
rsoultin, I could be convinced to defend you, you just have to give me a reason to do so. And I haven't really found one yet. well this post is weird.
Very.
Mostly it's just a conscience post, since I would feel pretty bad if town!rsoultin was lynched on Day 1 like this.
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On February 01 2015 05:06 marvellosity wrote:
what does "like this" mean, Trfel?
Many pages of constant pressure and questions from a variety of players, including two of the best players on the site, with no defense at all.
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On February 01 2015 05:08 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 05:01 Holyflare wrote:On February 01 2015 04:59 marvellosity wrote:
does it remind you of kels in carol? lol i guess a bit? not particularly On January 31 2015 14:23 rsoultin wrote:
I'm bored.
I like HF this game.
Still deciding on most of the rest of y'all...entertain me. Especially FF. You boring, bro.
Also, HTS, but I'm thinking (read: hoping) she actually becomes interesting tomorrow.
Going to bed for once. Ciao. this strikes me as a bit weird because rsoul said hts being uninteresting/underwhelming was towny but she wants hts to become more interesting which would give the opposite read?? Friggin a. My reads of HTS have in general been independent of thread opinion, as I just pointed out. At the time I posted about her being boring her filter was entirely excuses and one list post she posted drunk. I am allowed to say that when she's being universally townread it probably is her scumgame, while still making my own read on her. When she returned to the thread I liked her pushes.
This is wrong.
Like Holyflare and marvellosity said (and also geript in his post-game analysis), apparently Half the Sky's scum play isn't all that good (no offense, it's still at least 1000x better than my own). She was townread in Newbie Mafia for being one of the only bastions of logic and reason in a game full of newbies. Her being scum was simply unthinkable when facing an ocean of unbelievably scummy players. Meanwhile, Half the Sky has a very capable town game, and she can get townread while being town, despite what you seem to have stated here.
You can't possibly argue that your play was less boring and more useful than Half the Sky's play at the point where you posted the comment in question.
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On February 01 2015 05:12 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 05:11 Trfel wrote:On February 01 2015 05:06 marvellosity wrote:
what does "like this" mean, Trfel? Many pages of constant pressure and questions from a variety of players, including two of the best players on the site, with no defense at all. if there's no defense at all why would you assume it's a town rsoul???????
I have considered the possibility of town!rsoultin. I would be mafia if I didn't.
I can stand up to Holyflare's pressure when I some reasonable backing (in this case, right after I lead a scum lynch in Carol of the Bells). I expect that rsoultin could do the same. But pressure from Holyflare, marvellosity, and the entire rest of the thread? Given a weak start, I would be hard pressed to find a newbie who could adequately defend against that alone. Therefore, if she is town, some help in defense would give her some more breathing room to actually go do something.
But I can't do that, since I don't see any reason to. Rsoultin's answers seem to have been getting worse ans worse.
I guess I probably should let up on her for now, because her defense seems to be going nowhere, but she is definitely seeming scummy. Could lynch.
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On February 01 2015 05:19 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 05:15 Trfel wrote:
Like Holyflare and marvellosity said (and also geript in his post-game analysis), apparently Half the Sky's scum play isn't all that good (no offense, it's still at least 1000x better than my own). She was townread in Newbie Mafia for being one of the only bastions of logic and reason in a game full of newbies.
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You can't possibly argue that your play was less boring and more useful than Half the Sky's play at the point where you posted the comment in question. None taken, Trfel. I think my scum game is pretty terrible actually. Throw me in a pool of veterans and I will get caught out, end of. Ah, wait now...And that second part, I'd already mentioned, quite the double standard.
How so?
I could be misinterpreting what you are getting at, but I believe you are focusing soley on the last line of my post: "You can't possibly argue that your play was less boring and more useful than Half the Sky's play at the point where you posted the comment in question."
In explanation, I reread Half the Sky's and rsoultin's filter up to that point, and Half the Sky's filter seemed more useful and interesting. And I don't see how rsoultin could possibly think or argue the opposite. I'm judging by the same standard.
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On February 01 2015 05:25 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh, there's the possibility that she's town but that's why we ask her more questions, I don't think they are unreasonable questions and the imaginary pressure shouldn't even be high if you're just defending your point of view? It's been like 20 minutes on her and it's really not as big as you're making it out to be.
Questioning definitely isn't bad. They aren't unreasonable. I'm not saying to stop questioning her in the slightest.
I guess to me, as both alignments, the pressure on me has always seemed higher than it really is.
You guys can do whatever you want, but I think I will stop focusing on rsoultin for the moment (unless she gives me more reason to do so).
I maintain that rsoultin's answers to the questions have been quite lacking.
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On February 01 2015 05:29 Half the Sky wrote:
Trfel,
If you're a townie, and people are wrongly/incorrectly pressuring you, you do two things:
1 Defence/resolution of differences - ignoring questions will not let you get townread/neutrally read by proponents of your lynch
2 Propose alternate scumreads/alternative targets based on original thought of her own
3 If you suspect one of your lynch proponents is scum and has faulty logic in pushing you, you poke holes in that and use that person as the target
In Student IV, I was getting wagoned to death by Damdred, Oats, etc. I survived by a sliver because Damdred did not get the vote in time. But Damdred and I had a clash regarding the use of meta - I disregarded it entirely as a new player and he contested that Kushmasta (the other wagon) was not scum. After fully and thoroughly explaining my thought process (he thought I was sheeping) on why I felt Kush was scum, he tried to keep the vote off me and eventually tried to lynch me with some regret (he flipped VT).
Was my thinking flawed? Yes, Was it town-driven? Yes. That's what I'm driving at.
I'm not seeing any such parallels here.
I understand this. I've been pressured a lot in the past, and I'm actually quite comfortable with defending myself as town. Which is why I was willing to make a terrible post to potentially throw rsoultin a lifeline, which I don't feel that she accepted.
I believe that your point is that you don't see rsoultin's defense as being town-driven, and I agree completely.
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Rsoultin, what do you think of me now? Earlier, you were willing to lynch me.
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Yeah, I'm actually really interested to see Damdred's thoughts when he catches up in the thread.
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What do you guys think about Holyflare and marvellosity?
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On February 01 2015 06:11 marvellosity wrote:
also i am amazingly obviously town given the games i've had in the past couple months.
hf is way, way more likely to be mafia than me (even though i don't think he is currently)
Why do you think that Holyflare is town?
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I'm just worried that one or both of marvellosity and Holyflare is scum and they are going to completely destroy us.
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On February 01 2015 06:16 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 06:14 Trfel wrote:
I'm just worried that one or both of marvellosity and Holyflare is scum and they are going to completely destroy us. Is there a reason for your paranoia beyond paranoia?
I've seen a lot of games where a skilled player is mafia, and convinces everyone that they are town, and in a few days the best townies are dead and it is too late. See Eden1892 in New Year's Eve mafia, Artanis[Xp] in Imperial Mafia, DarthPunk in Student Mafia V, etc. For only being here a few months and not watching all of the games in that time, that is a lot of games.
Add that to Holyflare and marvellosity both being capable of playing some of the best scum games on the site....
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On February 01 2015 06:22 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 06:20 marvellosity wrote:
why don't you just read the thread and decide for yourself? Don't have a lot of time, some 30 hours or so of the first day is getting devoted to work and sleep instead of productive things like mafia :/ As it is I've got an hour, so. Highlights? Cliffs? Play-by-play? ESportsCenter Top 10?
I think that sicklucker and Palmar are generally considered likely scum, and rsoultin not far behind.
A few questions for Damdred when he gets back.
Half the Sky got townread.
I think that's about it?
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I don't have a reason to suspect them, I've been sheeping them this whole game. You guys are right, I'll drop it for a while at least.
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On February 01 2015 06:50 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 06:49 marvellosity wrote:
you don't have to see it, you just listen to the guy who's played 30 games with him can we kill damdred instead
Why do you want to kill Damdred? Just for the changes in his stance on Palmar as brought up by rsoultin?
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On February 01 2015 06:57 marvellosity wrote:
i'm feeling less confident in rsoultin and don't really know where to go with anything, so I'll probably just let other people do things for a while
No, now I can't do my strategy of sheep marvellosity and Holyflare to victory.
I guess it's probably time I actually did something, though.
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