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On March 03 2015 13:41 AT.Epiphany wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 13:35 geript wrote:On March 03 2015 13:31 AT.Epiphany wrote:On March 03 2015 13:26 geript wrote:On March 03 2015 13:12 AT.Epiphany wrote:
Hi guys,
I am sorry I'm late, but the game starts at 4:30 am in my time-zone. I'm not inclined to be an early riser and in any case for professional reasons that isn't an option. My work requires me to be rested during the day.
So first off, before I post anything more substantive, I have a comment about the device.
I see a very rapid bandwagon towards pressing it, which I don't really understand very well. The device is unknown and we have no idea what it's impact on the game will be, or whom it will favour. Most of the 'reasoning' I've seen for pressing it can be summarized as 'YOLO' or 'don't be pansy' and similar emotive appeals rather than any concrete reason. One sensible voice pointed out we should guard it until we are behind or doing badly and then press, but he didn't seem to be too invested in the whole issue and didn't pursue it much. He's dead right though; the device randomizes the game, and because town is majority, that itself makes it town favoured. The way we extract an advantage from the device is to gain the ability to randomize the game when it's going badly, not by just saying 'YOLO' and pressing a button, and I'm mildly suspicious of those who started this "PRESS" bandwagon. I really can't overstate the importance of this, and I really want a discussion of this issue and/or responses to it. I'm not attempting to deflect discussion away from the shot, and I'll comment on that in a bit, but this is an important issue and that's why I've dedicated a separate post to it. There is literally no reason not to vote GUARD on the device and I want those who are currently voting PRESS to explain their logic if any. Holy shitpants of saying nothing. This guys is another good kill. Do you actually care to respond? I said a lot of valuable stuff and your attempt to dis it just portrays you as scum. Respond if you have any meaningful response? Also, if you could bother to read, I said I am separately commenting on the shot. Sure, you've talked about nothing of any sort of consequence in like the least meaningful way possible. Like there's nothing of any worth talking about there. We have ~18 hours until someone is going to get shot and you're worried about talking about something that nobody knows what the fuck it does. I will be happy to shoot you if this continues. Ok, so here's the thing, I've explained why it's of consequence. It gives Town (which I'm now doubting you are) a chance to come back if we're behind. That absolutely is of consequence. If you think not, please tell me why. Secondly, none of this is mutually exclusive with scum-hunting, which I said I would be posting on. Your attempt to get the device pressed and to avoid discussion of the topic is very scummy, because the device is unknown and hence chaotic, thereby favouring the scum. As Town we want the chaos only if/when we are losing. Of course you will be happy to shoot me. I am Town, I'm being constructive, and judging by this reaction as well your really suspicious plans and reasoning about how to decide a shot makes me very suspicious of you. Also, I am just as capable of shooting you, so that's an unproductive threat.
Ok, so how do you know that it gives Town a chance to come back? How do you know that it doesn't just give mafia uber roles. From helping GreyMist with his upcoming game I have an idea of what it might be, but it's a semi-guess related to pregame. But I can assure you that it's either really, really bad if it's one of them or it's completely fucking random or it's really really bad.
Regarding the device you're a fucking idiot if you want to keep talking about this shit. Because you know where this big pile of unknown is going to end us up at? Because I do. It ends up at not talking about HtS and me not being able to read her town games because I'm either talking to a dumbass or mafia. It ends up not talking about how Koshi is essentially repeating 2 of his previous mafia games. It ends us up not talking about how Rayn isn't gaming the system or coming up with some weird plan, or him reading Slam the same way as last game at almost an earlier point than he did that game AND WHERE SLAM WAS MAFIA, or with him not really talking about how Koshi's bully system (lynch any misshot on D2 regardless) is awful. It ends up with us not talking about LS who Damdred finds interesting.
So basically it ends up with us not talking about actually important subjects. So motherfucker. What do you think about those actually important subjects which you have totally ignored? You seem to have skimmed along but don't even remember who was talking about what. Why? Why aren't you interested in who you're going to shoot or who you want to shot instead of this bullshit? How can you possibly think that I can even be mafia here? Are you like a complete noob or just terrible?
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On March 03 2015 13:58 Damdred wrote:
This is extremely frustrating I am generally confused if scum did this to LS to frame him or if a town pr did it... i'd go with the first, or maybe to wifom us into thinking hes town when hes scum.
God...
I don't really get your read, but I'll take a look at his meta after my league game.
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On March 03 2015 13:59 AT.Epiphany wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 13:53 Damdred wrote:On March 03 2015 13:41 AT.Epiphany wrote:On March 03 2015 13:35 geript wrote:On March 03 2015 13:31 AT.Epiphany wrote:On March 03 2015 13:26 geript wrote:On March 03 2015 13:12 AT.Epiphany wrote:
Hi guys,
I am sorry I'm late, but the game starts at 4:30 am in my time-zone. I'm not inclined to be an early riser and in any case for professional reasons that isn't an option. My work requires me to be rested during the day.
So first off, before I post anything more substantive, I have a comment about the device.
I see a very rapid bandwagon towards pressing it, which I don't really understand very well. The device is unknown and we have no idea what it's impact on the game will be, or whom it will favour. Most of the 'reasoning' I've seen for pressing it can be summarized as 'YOLO' or 'don't be pansy' and similar emotive appeals rather than any concrete reason. One sensible voice pointed out we should guard it until we are behind or doing badly and then press, but he didn't seem to be too invested in the whole issue and didn't pursue it much. He's dead right though; the device randomizes the game, and because town is majority, that itself makes it town favoured. The way we extract an advantage from the device is to gain the ability to randomize the game when it's going badly, not by just saying 'YOLO' and pressing a button, and I'm mildly suspicious of those who started this "PRESS" bandwagon. I really can't overstate the importance of this, and I really want a discussion of this issue and/or responses to it. I'm not attempting to deflect discussion away from the shot, and I'll comment on that in a bit, but this is an important issue and that's why I've dedicated a separate post to it. There is literally no reason not to vote GUARD on the device and I want those who are currently voting PRESS to explain their logic if any. Holy shitpants of saying nothing. This guys is another good kill. Do you actually care to respond? I said a lot of valuable stuff and your attempt to dis it just portrays you as scum. Respond if you have any meaningful response? Also, if you could bother to read, I said I am separately commenting on the shot. Sure, you've talked about nothing of any sort of consequence in like the least meaningful way possible. Like there's nothing of any worth talking about there. We have ~18 hours until someone is going to get shot and you're worried about talking about something that nobody knows what the fuck it does. I will be happy to shoot you if this continues. Ok, so here's the thing, I've explained why it's of consequence. It gives Town (which I'm now doubting you are) a chance to come back if we're behind. That absolutely is of consequence. If you think not, please tell me why. Secondly, none of this is mutually exclusive with scum-hunting, which I said I would be posting on. Your attempt to get the device pressed and to avoid discussion of the topic is very scummy, because the device is unknown and hence chaotic, thereby favouring the scum. As Town we want the chaos only if/when we are losing. Of course you will be happy to shoot me. I am Town, I'm being constructive, and judging by this reaction as well your really suspicious plans and reasoning about how to decide a shot makes me very suspicious of you. Also, I am just as capable of shooting you, so that's an unproductive threat. Theres really not much of a bandwagon to press it at this point honestly, i'm not sure even how many of us have messaged the host. I haven't as of yet. And geript is right though you are making a really wordy post without commenting on a lot of the other scum hunting that's going on in the thread Damdred, I already said I would be posting in depth on those issues as well. This is not mutually exclusive but what I'm really trying to drill into people's heads is that this device does matter, and I've posted below in a response to Geript as to why it does.
Hmmm why don't I talk about a device that the host would totally lie about and likely works with a new twist at least? Yes, why don't I continue to talk about complete fucking conjecture instead of actually posting about who to shoot. Why? Why Why?
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On March 03 2015 14:01 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 14:00 geript wrote:On March 03 2015 13:58 Damdred wrote:
This is extremely frustrating I am generally confused if scum did this to LS to frame him or if a town pr did it... i'd go with the first, or maybe to wifom us into thinking hes town when hes scum.
God... I don't really get your read, but I'll take a look at his meta after my league game. his posts are le gone geript they were the nuked
Ever since talking with him on palmer's game I realized how he posts. I found his posts very meandering like how he talks but eh. At the fountain.
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I do agree about the meta thing tho
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Holy shit rito needs to fix their servers.
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On March 03 2015 14:16 rsoultin wrote:
I seem to recall his first post being wary of you, too? He said he sheeped you blindly thinking you were town...
SERIOUSLY FUCK THIS NUKED POSTS THING I can't back up my points :/
Nuked posts thing? Sorry what am I missing?
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How in the fuck does that even happen? It's all his games. All his posts. That's really. Like I've never seen that before.
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On March 03 2015 12:40 LightningStrike wrote:
OBS can I ask you do some filter diving on rsoultin and HTS because people in here are questioning HTS's alignment this game and rsoultin because I might have paranoia because I really want to call her Mafia yet I had called people Mafia on Paranoia stuff too and they were town and need someone with a outside perspective on them.
On March 03 2015 12:25 LightningStrike wrote:
Robik and OWS any thoughts so far?
On March 03 2015 11:51 LightningStrike wrote:
Geript can you give me your thoughts so far on HTS and rsoultin please? I just curious on your thoughts on them that's all.
On March 03 2015 08:31 LightningStrike wrote:
Hey guys I not going to here for a couple of hours and when I come back I will give you guys my thoughts! Just posting this now if you wondering why I wont be making posts for a few hours!
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That's all I can find. None of those strike me as particularly odd but how in the fuck does that even happen. Like could GMarsh even do that? Like that's some serious shit because I've never seen anything like that. That's really fucked up because I can't even meta him or anything for a while. Like whoever did that is a real fucking asshole.
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LS is you're reading this, you're probably just going to have to create a new account.
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Looks like his account was nuked. I'm not tech saavy in any way, but apparently once nuked it can't be undone. That's from an old templar thread but I think plexa said it so it must be true. Either way, there's literally no reason to discuss him now regardless.
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I'm going to pull up HtS. Did you have any other thoughts on people rsoultin or any people you'd like em to meta?
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So basically, Rayn is kinda a god at weird setups. There's really not another way of putting it. He finds ways to game the system and figure out ways to force mafia into really, really bad positions. He generally does this early on. From his trying to get 5 specific obvious townies to pick 1,1 2,1, 3,1, 4,1, 5,1 in Boardwalk PYP along with essentially presetting what they would pick. To determining who would get what pick in my PYP (I forget what it's called) so every role was known. To like how he approaches things in the Witch setup (which btw is quite fun). Like he's really, really good at finding the loopholes in systems. I think he was also a decent part of the shopkeeper gangbang in Catastrophe; not 100% as he might have been modkilled well before then. I know he died before I joined that game but I don't specifically remember when. Like he's just really, really, really good at finding ways to abuse setups in ways that hosts haven't completely fleshed out. He hasn't pushed here for people to claim powers once they've used them (assuming they're one-shot). He hasn't talked about trying to figure out who's giving what powers. Like there's a lot of random stuff that I'd expect to see from him going at that angle that just isn't there. That's a big warning sign to me.
Plus in our little spat, like he acted completely differently in thread than he did in pms. In a way that I don't really expect out of him. So it's really weird on that end.
Regarding. HtS, her opening is definitely quite different from her town games. But it's like 1 am here. I'll follow up on that more after some rest and I get some medication because my ear is really fucking killing me.
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On March 03 2015 14:56 AT.Epiphany wrote:
So here's my scumread on Geript:
Every single time he's been Mafia he's far more aggressive and confrontational than he is as Town. Moreover his mafia games have him rapidly suggesting lynch targets and putting out scumpiles pretty quickly. As a mafia (and not as a Town) he invariably pushes multiple targets and acts aggressively. Here as well, he started pushing Koshi and the moment I made my post, his first reaction (even though I said I'm posting on shots as a follow-up) was to scumread me because my post was filler.
It isn't filler, the first person to post after me recognized as such, and geript has gambled on being aggressive and unpleasant thinking that people will agree with him because I am new to this forum. Look at his main contribution in the thread.
1) He's tried to normalize the idea that there's no point in trying to reach a consensus on a shot because somebody will shoot anyway. What he's really trying to push though, is the idea that it's normal and ok for everyone to take a shot at 24 hrs and the reason he's doing this is because he doesn't want anybody to gain any information from the shot, which is why he's trying to press the line that there's no point reaching a consensus and then lynching anyone who breaks the consensus.
2) He's then tried to press the nonsensical idea of trying to hunt/lynch the 3P although that makes very little sense for reasons that have already been pointed out.
3) He tries to establish credibility by saying "these are the people I'm ok taking a shot". That doesn't prove anything though, especially since at this point he's done nothing useful except to try and debunk our most useful way of gaining information, which is to try and shoot the guy with the most votes.
4) He's been the one to try and turn the thread into a fight by abusing me (a fight he calculated he'll win because no one here knows me).
Ok so let's talk meta. Every single time I've been mafia I've been far more confrontational? What games ahve I been mafia in? Have I never as town pushed multiple lynch targets at the same time? Like your meta of me is really, really fucking off. Explain your shit or die. Becuase I'm not going to get fucking mislynched again because some fucking scrub from some fucking scrubass site comes into my house and tries to lynch me.
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1)How in the fuck am I even trying to normalize the idea of someone shooting at 24 hours? It's not like that's a new idea or unique to me. I'm also not trying to "make it okay" for anyone to shoot, a point which you bring up but dismiss out of hand.
2)I never said we should hunt the 3P. I said I'd prefer to lynch 3P than mafia on D1. Like that's really fucking obvious. Second, anyone who believes that a mafia shot over a 3P shot is preferable is a fucking retard and doesn't know how games like this go. Hell Toad's argument is literally, "Well in one game mafia were retarded enough to spend 3 kp on me." Yet in more games assassins/ninja's/dueling3P roles tend to fuck up town far more than help. Plus, with instant 2 shot KP on 2 different people, we can have exceptionally dangerous lynch situations ala Demon's run where Kita's shots threw shit all out of whack.
3. That's not even the point of having a list of people who I'm ok with being the shooter. The whole point is to have a town controlled shot and hold anyone not on that list uber responsible for their shit. Getting into a universally townread circle while still having to explain the shot is significantly harder than any of this "let's pretend it's a lynch" bullshit that most people will just fucking ignore.
4) There's no fight here. I'm a big boy and you're still wearing pullups. If you're town, then maybe you'd be able to realize why I'm town. Probably not by how you're talking.
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On March 03 2015 15:10 Keirathi wrote:
rofl oh god geript, what did you do this time!?
Not me. Dude thinks he can walk in here and meta me all wrong. Like I don't think most of my scumgames even show up any more. Like he doesn't even take context of the thread into account at all. IDK man, dude walked in with a stick up his ass.
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On March 03 2015 15:14 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 15:12 AT.Epiphany wrote:On March 03 2015 15:10 Breshke wrote:On March 03 2015 14:56 AT.Epiphany wrote:
So here's my scumread on Geript:
Every single time he's been Mafia he's far more aggressive and confrontational than he is as Town. Moreover his mafia games have him rapidly suggesting lynch targets and putting out scumpiles pretty quickly. As a mafia (and not as a Town) he invariably pushes multiple targets and acts aggressively. Here as well, he started pushing Koshi and the moment I made my post, his first reaction (even though I said I'm posting on shots as a follow-up) was to scumread me because my post was filler.
It isn't filler, the first person to post after me recognized as such, and geript has gambled on being aggressive and unpleasant thinking that people will agree with him because I am new to this forum. Look at his main contribution in the thread.
1) He's tried to normalize the idea that there's no point in trying to reach a consensus on a shot because somebody will shoot anyway. What he's really trying to push though, is the idea that it's normal and ok for everyone to take a shot at 24 hrs and the reason he's doing this is because he doesn't want anybody to gain any information from the shot, which is why he's trying to press the line that there's no point reaching a consensus and then lynching anyone who breaks the consensus.
2) He's then tried to press the nonsensical idea of trying to hunt/lynch the 3P although that makes very little sense for reasons that have already been pointed out.
3) He tries to establish credibility by saying "these are the people I'm ok taking a shot". That doesn't prove anything though, especially since at this point he's done nothing useful except to try and debunk our most useful way of gaining information, which is to try and shoot the guy with the most votes.
4) He's been the one to try and turn the thread into a fight by abusing me (a fight he calculated he'll win because no one here knows me).
1) He suggested we nominate someone to shoot so i don't think that he is trying to avoid us lynching a consensus 2) He then later stated that he ment he doesn't care if we shoot mafia or 3p 3)Isn't trying to debunk any plan useful as it can show any weakpoints it has? Yes it could be frustrating but yeah. 4) I dont think this is true. Yeah vets seem to listen to other vets more than newbies but with geript gunning for some of them (rayn for example) how do you think he can count on them to back him? On March 03 2015 14:05 AT.Epiphany wrote:On March 03 2015 13:59 Damdred wrote:
....we aren't even interested in talking about t device, fuck the device we are scum hunting to figure out a shot.
I will yolo shoot you so please actually contribute now that you got that out of your system You should be, I've scum-read you as well now, because you insta-voted PRESS and are trying to avoid discussion. You are most likely scum as well, and I am just as willing to shoot you. Stop threatening the newbie. I ain't backing down to this behaviour. You say you are a newbie here yet you seem to think you know geripts meta fairly well which doesn't really add up. Also I don't like that you promised to talk about the shot before damdred started going hard against you which led me to believe you had thoughts on people other than him yet what you have posted is mostly from after you said you would give thoughts which leads me to believe you had nothing at the time yet you got angry at geript for not waiting for you to post. Im not sure if im making sense or not but if you could give reads on other people that would probably help. I spent the last 40 minutes combing the database for Geript's games. I'm new here it doesn't make me stupid. I'll respond to the rest after I've cooled down a bit, because Geript's abuse has rubbed me the wrong way. Oh sweet, 40 minutes reading meta. We've got an expert here! + Show Spoiler +I'm just fucking around with you, don't get mad!
I'm very sad that you don't have a Neil Degrasse Tyson meme with this.
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Either way, I'm going to ignore the yipping chihuahua for a bit. Keir what do you think of Koshi and Rayn? More Koshi than Rayn because maybe I'm over thinking Rayn.
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