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On March 05 2015 18:43 Tubesock wrote:
Is there really that much more risk by "checking" someone in the cell than outside?
If someone had a cop check on someone and ended up in a cell with them it's an absolute no brainer to claim like Sandroba did.
If the check was outside, wouldn't you claim differently? You guys already kinda thought the claim was too casual as it was.
Plus, hell I'd gamble that Onegu who hasn't really been motivated to play wouldn't be further motivated with a green check. Now you just have to fight against 2 people instead of 3.
Yes. Because mafia want to create a lynch between 3 people instead of 4 people. Especially when the person they're removing someone from the possibility of being lynched.
Like it's really ridiculous to me. People get powers. We know this. I know that either someone RB'd me or that Sepulchre is not town because I shot his ass last night. Like Sandro claiming a greencheck on an easy mislynch when he's mafia is pretty insane. Like really insane. Like I can't believe that Artanis would be a Bastard host and have 2 mafia in the group. I think he just worded it that way because he wanted to be able to include ninjas. Like so far only 2 people have claimed getting powers, Me and Sandro. Kita's response probably means he got a power too. I'm guess he got medic because that makes the most sense overall.
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On March 05 2015 18:50 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 18:46 Breshke wrote:On March 05 2015 18:43 Tubesock wrote:
Is there really that much more risk by "checking" someone in the cell than outside?
If someone had a cop check on someone and ended up in a cell with them it's an absolute no brainer to claim like Sandroba did.
If the check was outside, wouldn't you claim differently? You guys already kinda thought the claim was too casual as it was.
Plus, hell I'd gamble that Onegu who hasn't really been motivated to play wouldn't be further motivated with a green check. Now you just have to fight against 2 people instead of 3. yeah but onegu not being motivated to play would be good for a scum sandroba Also there is definitely more risk. By our own accord you are thinking onegu was confirmed so that means its 1/3 instead of 1/4 of sandroba being lynched. Well, I think though that Onegu being on the lynch table would be motivated to play. Then it makes it harder for Sandroba. If Onegu has a check, wouldn't he be less motivated to play? Just like Robik just now who saw he wasn't in the cell and said he'd be back in 3 days? The risk is motivated Onegu vs unmotivated but forever town confirmed Onegu? Plus, he can be shot at night and that makes it easier for Geript to rationalize him surviving nights.
You are literally either fucking stupid and so confirmation biased that you're literally crafting each and every idea specifically just so you can call him mafia or you're just mafia and can't think of anything else to say. You best get the KY. Because I'm going to rip you a new one after I watch starleague.
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On March 05 2015 19:02 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 18:52 geript wrote:On March 05 2015 18:43 Tubesock wrote:
Is there really that much more risk by "checking" someone in the cell than outside?
If someone had a cop check on someone and ended up in a cell with them it's an absolute no brainer to claim like Sandroba did.
If the check was outside, wouldn't you claim differently? You guys already kinda thought the claim was too casual as it was.
Plus, hell I'd gamble that Onegu who hasn't really been motivated to play wouldn't be further motivated with a green check. Now you just have to fight against 2 people instead of 3. Yes. Because mafia want to create a lynch between 3 people instead of 4 people. Especially when the person they're removing someone from the possibility of being lynched. Like it's really ridiculous to me. People get powers. We know this. I know that either someone RB'd me or that Sepulchre is not town because I shot his ass last night. Like Sandro claiming a greencheck on an easy mislynch when he's mafia is pretty insane. Like really insane. Like I can't believe that Artanis would be a Bastard host and have 2 mafia in the group. I think he just worded it that way because he wanted to be able to include ninjas. Like so far only 2 people have claimed getting powers, Me and Sandro. Kita's response probably means he got a power too. I'm guess he got medic because that makes the most sense overall. I don't think it's that insane. I think it's the only sane play he could make. If Sandroba doesn't claim he dies. Even if he were town he was going to die. How could he survive that many dead town scumreads on him? You think no one is going to pick up on that? That you towned him while Rayn and Toad scummed him? Sicklucker constantly survives to endgame. Onegu is well respected and I think probably tougher to lynch in a cell than any of us in here. That leaves me. I had 4 people towning me, but lots of nulls. I literally think it's more possible that he's town fakeclaiming than he is real.
Only play? Like there are a billion different plays he could make. Hell, he can red check anyone outside the cell. He can get hard bussed for cred. He can check a partner. He can play like he did in Catastrophe and be really uber towny and not get lynched until like d9. Like there's lots of options for him to take if he's mafia. Like a million different options. Why would he as a good player take the absolute fucking worst line of play physically possible. Like there is 1 play that you do not take as mafia in this situation. And that's the exact play that Sandro made. THE EXACT PLAY. Explain how a vet who's good, really good and spent his last mafia game completely unnoticed until he gave up because all his team got lynched and he was tired of trying to keep playing. Explain how Sandro can as mafia take the absolute worst fucking line of play possible. Like that's the thing that caught me off guard early on.
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Can't quite find the post. Busy watching. But SL said he thought I would recommend shit tier play like this. If I were mafia, then I'd have a plan setup for pretty much every lynch. Every night phase. SL knows this because he coached with me. Like even last game he made a good argument that I wouldn't be that much of a dumbass jerk as scum (he was mafia but eh). Like that's really fucking odd.
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On March 05 2015 19:18 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 19:14 Tubesock wrote:On March 05 2015 19:08 geript wrote:On March 05 2015 19:02 Tubesock wrote:On March 05 2015 18:52 geript wrote:On March 05 2015 18:43 Tubesock wrote:
Is there really that much more risk by "checking" someone in the cell than outside?
If someone had a cop check on someone and ended up in a cell with them it's an absolute no brainer to claim like Sandroba did.
If the check was outside, wouldn't you claim differently? You guys already kinda thought the claim was too casual as it was.
Plus, hell I'd gamble that Onegu who hasn't really been motivated to play wouldn't be further motivated with a green check. Now you just have to fight against 2 people instead of 3. Yes. Because mafia want to create a lynch between 3 people instead of 4 people. Especially when the person they're removing someone from the possibility of being lynched. Like it's really ridiculous to me. People get powers. We know this. I know that either someone RB'd me or that Sepulchre is not town because I shot his ass last night. Like Sandro claiming a greencheck on an easy mislynch when he's mafia is pretty insane. Like really insane. Like I can't believe that Artanis would be a Bastard host and have 2 mafia in the group. I think he just worded it that way because he wanted to be able to include ninjas. Like so far only 2 people have claimed getting powers, Me and Sandro. Kita's response probably means he got a power too. I'm guess he got medic because that makes the most sense overall. I don't think it's that insane. I think it's the only sane play he could make. If Sandroba doesn't claim he dies. Even if he were town he was going to die. How could he survive that many dead town scumreads on him? You think no one is going to pick up on that? That you towned him while Rayn and Toad scummed him? Sicklucker constantly survives to endgame. Onegu is well respected and I think probably tougher to lynch in a cell than any of us in here. That leaves me. I had 4 people towning me, but lots of nulls. I literally think it's more possible that he's town fakeclaiming than he is real. Only play? Like there are a billion different plays he could make. Hell, he can red check anyone outside the cell. He can get hard bussed for cred. He can check a partner. He can play like he did in Catastrophe and be really uber towny and not get lynched until like d9. Like there's lots of options for him to take if he's mafia. Like a million different options. Why would he as a good player take the absolute fucking worst line of play physically possible. Like there is 1 play that you do not take as mafia in this situation. And that's the exact play that Sandro made. THE EXACT PLAY. Explain how a vet who's good, really good and spent his last mafia game completely unnoticed until he gave up because all his team got lynched and he was tired of trying to keep playing. Explain how Sandro can as mafia take the absolute worst fucking line of play possible. Like that's the thing that caught me off guard early on. You're right. There are other plays. This seems to me to be the best. I've said multiple times already why. So, show that I'm scum or ninja then. You are saying that Sicklucker might be scum over me? But then earlier you said it would be better to lynch ninja. So, why are you not pushing me? Instead of saying how stupid I am. Lynching the ninja is a fucking horrid play n the situation we are in and i assume no I hope geript has realized that.
That has to do with kp reduction though.
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Lynching ninja now is only -1 KP. Whereas lynching mafia now is like -.5 KP per night.
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On March 06 2015 07:38 kitaman27 wrote:
Can the people who are claiming vig shots confirm that they actually received vig shots? I'd like to get a reliable count of our night one actions.
Yes. I received a one-shot vigi ability. I used it to shoot sepulcher. Cooking dinner.
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I don't know who I received it from but I assume the town spirit. I received at the start of N2. That was pretty much it. I was told the power wasn't refunded if rb'd. I was told a RB wouldn't be announced. I was told it's not an instant shot but an end of night shot and that I couldn't use it during the day. I didn't ask if I had to use it or not. That's pretty much it.
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Like I find it pretty weird that Sandro and I are the only people to claim powers so far. I'm guessing here, but I'd expect 4 roles per night for town so I don't get why like a medic or jailkeeper or similar role hasn't been claimed. I'm guessing, but I think the but has to do with randomizing who gets roles that are given out. But that's mostly speculation.
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Ok I'm here. I have a tub of ice cream with me
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In looking at Tube's filter. I think I've been really wrong about him. Recently-ish I was doing something on TS, maybe voice mafia, and ended up talking with Chezinu. I was thinking about posting like him in a game or two for funsies and asked him about he formed reads and things. He said that he always has hidden reads but that only town really try and figure them out. So it's often quite easy for him to start reads with who's actually trying to read him and interact with him.
Tube's done that at least a few times this game. I can't explain why it kinda bugs me that he did a simple EWBOP instead of an employee update sending it like there was a communications failure; that would've been really cute. I think Kurumi is the only person that really knows about this read (maybe Keir and Kita but I don't think so). Plus, he's been completely fearless when talking to me. That's another good sign.
I also remembered a conversation on TS at the end of d1 in palmers game between me, Koshi, Rayn, SL, LS and VE. The basic situation is Sl and Eden were double bussing each other and both were up for lynch. Eden was at work and couldn't get on skype and basically did nothing. SL got on skype and basically begged and pleaded to lynch Eden without really adding anything. It's something that kinda reminded me of his play today when I was skimming through while job hunting.
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On March 06 2015 13:41 sicklucker wrote:
Gepot your also voting with the person you shot and didnt die....
And he's likely a ninja. IDK, maybe I'm wrong on Tube, I'll explain more after league game
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On March 06 2015 14:03 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 13:41 sicklucker wrote:
Gepot your also voting with the person you shot and didnt die.... And he's likely a ninja. IDK, maybe I'm wrong on Tube, I'll explain more after league game
Maybe not a ninja, but that requires mafia to have gotten the RB power and rb'd me. Maybe they gave him a vest or got a medic, but I find that pretty unlikely. Like a vest is a possibility as I think it has more uses than a medic. But mafia getting a vest is really, really unlikely imo. Like for this sort of setup where that could negate like at least 1 form of lynch mechanic that seems really OP. Plus as of right now, town's only gotten 2 roles. Even if we assume both Toad and Rayn got roles, it's hard to think that neither of them get a medic and they choose to save someone other than each other. So For Sepulchre to be a mafia, they had to have gotten an RB and had to have used it on me AND town didn't get a medic. Like that's really, really unlikely.
TLDR Sep is actually probably a ninja.
Plus for if he is mafia, then he's with Tube which makes almost no sense in my mind. Like that would require Kurumi and/or Kita/Keir to be mafia. Kurumi/Tube doesn't make much sense because Kurumi can do some cute stuff as mafia, but he's not really that sly to setup that type of interaction together imo. Kita would push for Tube to be effective and post about stuff; like he's pretty big from my experience on trying to control the thread and push lynches. Keir IDK what he would do. I can't remember a game off the top of my head where he's been mafia.
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If anyone else got powers, they 100% need to claim them ASAP
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Ok. Yes. I made it obvious I had a gun. That said, I've made this play like idk 8 times already on TL I think. This is the first time I've ever actually had a gun. Like why do you find it important? Why do you think mafia RB's me?
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Also, I'd like to point out that I think anyone pressing the button is doing the wrong thing. I've said it once before at least, but I think the mechanic that Artanis stole was that the button randomizes things entirely. I'm guessing it has to deal with who receives roles. Right now when there's 8 non-town which could receive town roles seems really, really bad.
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No. 2 mafia a pod would 100% be bastard hosting. Like it would be really, really fucking awful.
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Tube. You really make me want to bang my head against the table endlessly.
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Why do you believe so heavily in this tin foil hat theory? Like I really don't get it. Like do you really think that Town only gets 1 power role on N1?
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