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On February 19 2015 09:33 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 09:18 Tere wrote:On February 19 2015 09:07 The Shining wrote:On February 19 2015 08:54 Tere wrote:
I'm willing to die for a one for one, what about you? I'm reading "I'm willing to win the game for scum right now" if you are in fact town. I already stated earlier I don't care about me being mislynched anymore. My vote is on you. If town is onboard, they vote with me. Or they vote against me. When I flip town, they'll want to lynch you until you manage to WOT your way out of it and win for scum. I'll even go first, if that's what you want. Of course, town votes decide it. I just need the townies here to promise me they will reevaluate what little I have been able to give them after I flip. OK. Either you are obvscum or completely misguided town at this point. I'm kinda insulted if you can read my play in any way as throwing the game for scum. Seriously. Something something (insert strong language as appropriate). If you are town, and that is what you are thinking and you think scum has won the argument, you need to wake up, stop sulking, get back to base , and stop sulking. Because, regardless of your perception, I'm on your side. Really. If your wincon is to win with town, I'm on your side. You don't have to trust me with this, but I need you to have a mode that can consider it... i'm town, and reaching out to you here. I think you are a smart and capable guy, I've read your town games, you are town to be proud of associating with. Don't check out. I'm on your side, and reaching out to you here. Don't lock down, OK? You can analyse me and decide I'm full of shit, but don't check out right now. I want town to win too. Come talk to me. You don't have to trust me right now (and I do need to sleep, it's bedtime here) but I want you to take some time out, take a deep breath, and if you are town, and want town to win, you need to come talk to me, OK? Because you are either locking down caught scum or passionate town without a lock and I have NFI right now. Just talk to me. I'm not Circe. There's no game mechanic to turn you into a pig. What harm can there be, right? Time out. I need to sleep. Talk to me, OK? I posted a post before the one you quoted here asking you a question, would you mind answering it for me? I am talking to you. I may be proud and have an ego, etc, but I'm not trying to throw here. I'm not locked down. I'm filter diving like I said I would. Threw a question out at you, threw one out at ElyAs, expect more as I read and reread. Honestly, the interaction today pissed me off. But it also gave me back the motivation I lost from being in another game with a replacement. But...why are you trying to feed my ego so much? Lol. I have NFI if it's a real call to reason and look at things objectively, or scum in sheep's clothing? I seriously need to take a breather from you and reread you objectively when I get home tonight.
If it makes you feel better, I got told off too - I think things got a little more heated than the mods would prefer for a newbie game. I use salty language when passionate, and I have absolutely not a problem with anyone telling me that's not OK. I see two people passionate about their wincon not necessarily talking to each other here. I'll be honest, when I came into this day I didn't trust you and I don't have a basis right now to trust you. But, if you have a town alignment, I can work with you. I am open to reaching out to you and understanding you and talking to you. That's not a trap. It's almost 1 am here and I have stayed up way too late the last couple of nights to play mafia. So I don't have much time.
But I think you are a smart and perceptive guy, even from a skim, and I would ask you to take a step back, take a breather, let me get some rest. Take some time yourself. Let's talk tomorrow.
If your wincon isn't incompatible with mine, we aren't enemies. Really we're not.
I'll have a look for your question but genuinely I need to sleep. If I don't respond please don't think the worst and poke me. It will be fine. Tere.
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I would like everyone who is suffering from WIFOM to also take a hiatus and shut it down. Seriously.
As you wish.
Let's just give everyone a breather and try to think the best of everyone for 12 hours or so? Sound a decent deal?
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On February 19 2015 09:33 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 09:18 Tere wrote:On February 19 2015 09:07 The Shining wrote:On February 19 2015 08:54 Tere wrote:
I'm willing to die for a one for one, what about you? I'm reading "I'm willing to win the game for scum right now" if you are in fact town. I already stated earlier I don't care about me being mislynched anymore. My vote is on you. If town is onboard, they vote with me. Or they vote against me. When I flip town, they'll want to lynch you until you manage to WOT your way out of it and win for scum. I'll even go first, if that's what you want. Of course, town votes decide it. I just need the townies here to promise me they will reevaluate what little I have been able to give them after I flip. OK. Either you are obvscum or completely misguided town at this point. I'm kinda insulted if you can read my play in any way as throwing the game for scum. Seriously. Something something (insert strong language as appropriate). If you are town, and that is what you are thinking and you think scum has won the argument, you need to wake up, stop sulking, get back to base , and stop sulking. Because, regardless of your perception, I'm on your side. Really. If your wincon is to win with town, I'm on your side. You don't have to trust me with this, but I need you to have a mode that can consider it... i'm town, and reaching out to you here. I think you are a smart and capable guy, I've read your town games, you are town to be proud of associating with. Don't check out. I'm on your side, and reaching out to you here. Don't lock down, OK? You can analyse me and decide I'm full of shit, but don't check out right now. I want town to win too. Come talk to me. You don't have to trust me right now (and I do need to sleep, it's bedtime here) but I want you to take some time out, take a deep breath, and if you are town, and want town to win, you need to come talk to me, OK? Because you are either locking down caught scum or passionate town without a lock and I have NFI right now. Just talk to me. I'm not Circe. There's no game mechanic to turn you into a pig. What harm can there be, right? Time out. I need to sleep. Talk to me, OK? I posted a post before the one you quoted here asking you a question, would you mind answering it for me? I am talking to you. I may be proud and have an ego, etc, but I'm not trying to throw here. I'm not locked down. I'm filter diving like I said I would. Threw a question out at you, threw one out at ElyAs, expect more as I read and reread. Honestly, the interaction today pissed me off. But it also gave me back the motivation I lost from being in another game with a replacement. But...why are you trying to feed my ego so much? Lol. I have NFI if it's a real call to reason and look at things objectively, or scum in sheep's clothing? I seriously need to take a breather from you and reread you objectively when I get home tonight.
If it's not obvious, I thought this interaction was very genuine. I want to reach out and work with this guy....
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On February 19 2015 09:45 The Shining wrote:
Lmao the Circe thing made me lol. Tere, I guess I should've outright stated it but I didn't take any offense.
Can I also point out I'm somewhat reminded of how RSo and Geript went at it in Student Mafia V? Scum really likes hanging back when these kinds of interactions happen. I want everyone's reactions, please.
It's totally selfish, because it's 12.45 am and I've not had a proper sleep for 3 nights (shut up, Trfel, I'm still allowed to tease you) but I'd like a moratorium against righteous rage until midday at least? Seem fair? 
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The Shining, will you talk to me tomorrow if I go to sleep? Would that be OK?
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On February 19 2015 09:45 Tere wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 09:33 The Shining wrote:On February 19 2015 09:18 Tere wrote:On February 19 2015 09:07 The Shining wrote:On February 19 2015 08:54 Tere wrote:
I'm willing to die for a one for one, what about you? I'm reading "I'm willing to win the game for scum right now" if you are in fact town. I already stated earlier I don't care about me being mislynched anymore. My vote is on you. If town is onboard, they vote with me. Or they vote against me. When I flip town, they'll want to lynch you until you manage to WOT your way out of it and win for scum. I'll even go first, if that's what you want. Of course, town votes decide it. I just need the townies here to promise me they will reevaluate what little I have been able to give them after I flip. OK. Either you are obvscum or completely misguided town at this point. I'm kinda insulted if you can read my play in any way as throwing the game for scum. Seriously. Something something (insert strong language as appropriate). If you are town, and that is what you are thinking and you think scum has won the argument, you need to wake up, stop sulking, get back to base , and stop sulking. Because, regardless of your perception, I'm on your side. Really. If your wincon is to win with town, I'm on your side. You don't have to trust me with this, but I need you to have a mode that can consider it... i'm town, and reaching out to you here. I think you are a smart and capable guy, I've read your town games, you are town to be proud of associating with. Don't check out. I'm on your side, and reaching out to you here. Don't lock down, OK? You can analyse me and decide I'm full of shit, but don't check out right now. I want town to win too. Come talk to me. You don't have to trust me right now (and I do need to sleep, it's bedtime here) but I want you to take some time out, take a deep breath, and if you are town, and want town to win, you need to come talk to me, OK? Because you are either locking down caught scum or passionate town without a lock and I have NFI right now. Just talk to me. I'm not Circe. There's no game mechanic to turn you into a pig. What harm can there be, right? Time out. I need to sleep. Talk to me, OK? I posted a post before the one you quoted here asking you a question, would you mind answering it for me? I am talking to you. I may be proud and have an ego, etc, but I'm not trying to throw here. I'm not locked down. I'm filter diving like I said I would. Threw a question out at you, threw one out at ElyAs, expect more as I read and reread. Honestly, the interaction today pissed me off. But it also gave me back the motivation I lost from being in another game with a replacement. But...why are you trying to feed my ego so much? Lol. I have NFI if it's a real call to reason and look at things objectively, or scum in sheep's clothing? I seriously need to take a breather from you and reread you objectively when I get home tonight. If it's not obvious, I thought this interaction was very genuine. I want to reach out and work with this guy....
The Shining, I've gone back for about 10 mins and I am not sure what you need me to answer. I want to answer you, I just don't know where it's coming from. Does that make sense?
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On February 19 2015 09:49 Trfel wrote:A response to Tere (because zlefin asked for it, shrug) Note that I do not require a response if you do not choose to provide one. It is spoilered because I don't see it as being very important. + Show Spoiler +This post makes a lot of sense. I understand more at what you were getting at in your Walls of Text. Not directed towards me, but this is really nice to see. Now, this post. I hate adding responses inside quotes, so bear with me (if anyone is actually reading this). As to me being patronizing to Tere ("good girl, well done"), this is not intended in the slightest. Whether she is scum or town, I'm pretty sure that Tere is the most skilled player left in this game, and I have no right whatsoever to be condescending to her. My only intention was to acknowledge the effort and thank her for it, and say that I felt that it made rather good evidence for her being town. As for me judging my own play, I was not looking for sympathy, and my intention was not to talk about myself. I was saying that you townread me for something, and I didn't like your reasoning, while allowing for the possibility of an accurate tone read (because I am terrible at tone reads). I have already accepted that Tere and I think differently and work differently. I don't think that is a problem. As for simplifying your reads, you are right that that part of my post was horrid. I have no explanation. As for me not being confident in my tone read of Tere, I'm bad at tone reads, of course I'm not confident in it (that won't stop me from trying to use tone reads, though...). I guess it makes sense that you don't want to lead a wagon. I disagree, and think that you are good enough at this game that I think you ought to lead a wagon, but I understand what you are saying and I accept it. And no, I'm not scum. I am not 100% sure of your alignment, but I think you are town.
Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 09:45 The Shining wrote:
Lmao the Circe thing made me lol. Tere, I guess I should've outright stated it but I didn't take any offense.
Can I also point out I'm somewhat reminded of how RSo and Geript went at it in Student Mafia V? Scum really likes hanging back when these kinds of interactions happen. I want everyone's reactions, please. Tagging this at the bottom because I'm not sure it deserves its own post. You already have my reaction, to me it seems like a town vs town argument.
I'm not sure what I'm expected to comment on here.
I posted the enormous wall of text, and then I wanted to see who talked to me about it. What I feel so far is this - the initial unforced interactions were myself, trfel, zfle and Elyas, after a time Silverarte showed and immediately aFKed, The Shining showed later, was adamant and I am trying to reach out to him. Jar jar looked great at start of day, not wighed in yet.
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On February 19 2015 09:56 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 06:53 Silverarte wrote:
We had, as of then, over two more days to figure out who our next lynch was be. With D2 around the corner, my thought was we had time to figure out just what Tere was doing and where Zlefin was going to pop up as. I'm going to trust Tere and not respond to Silverarte's post at this time, I suppose. But this part does require response. In the future, please don't do this. You can NEVER have too much time to work out a lynch (if you are town, I bet that an hour before the Day 2 lynch deadline you'll be wishing you had been more active at night). I have been told in the past by extremely reliable sources that town's best strategy is to continue scumhunting full steam at night. Yes, I am aware that some people disagree, but I currently feel that it is best to use the night to scumhunt as well.
This, seriously don't do this if you are town aligned. The most unhelpful thing than can happen is random town shenannies at day end. Never support it.
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On February 19 2015 10:00 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 08:56 The Shining wrote:On February 19 2015 06:05 Tere wrote:On February 19 2015 01:27 ElyAs wrote:
You know what Tere ? I'm sold on you being town, and I really hope I'm right.
When I red your posts and Trfel's snap vote, I skipped a beat because I was starting to townread you and saw one of my townreads vote for you. I'm kinda relieved by Trfel's follow-up.
I know I'm not in the best of lights right now, and I'm gonna try to step up my game to find a good case, I owe it to jarjar and Trfel because their posts gave me a little bit of confidence.
I got an hour to allocate to this game right now and I'll try to use it well. (It is really a time consuming game !) This post feels as towny as fuck to me. It's enough to move him off my autolynch pile - before this I was going to place a vote as the best option. It comes from a real place of emotion that is horribly hard to fake, IMO. Moving Elyas up my town - scum pile towards town. Lurkers beware  Are you able to explain to me how this post could be only coming from a town perspective? There's a disclaimer for only having a certain amount of time, leaving an open door in case an uncomfortable question gets asked. And an appeal to emotion instead of an actual reaction to your post. Tere, this is what I was referring to. I can see Ely making this post from either alignment in a move to earn town cred, similar to what I thought you might be doing in talking to me like I'm a baby now. However, I'm going to actively talk to you right now and tomorrow when were both here before I pass anymore judgment on you.
If you are reading me like I'm talking to you like a baby, you are reading me wrong. I respect you and your intelligence. However, I really need to go to bed. We can spar in the morning? Deal?
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On February 19 2015 10:08 The Shining wrote:
Just a heads up, my first post today up until about 6-8 hours from now are my most active times. I'm a night worker, mornings aren't my thing. But I'll def catch up with you as soon as I'm awake.
I need to crash, but this brings up a really great point.
There's a thing in the profile that can bring up a continent, that;s helpful as a baseline. Knowing the timezones is a bonus.
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I am incredibly sleepy though. It boils to a show and tell.
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FWIW I don't think anybody in the game has been lying about activity, this is an attempt to reduce paranoia IMO.
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On February 19 2015 10:23 The Shining wrote:
I'm EST. Work 3-11 PM EST Weds-Sun. Wake up at 1 PM, ready for work etc, usually here once I settle in at work. Itll be EoD tomorrow so I'll be early, barring any work emergencies. But that doesn't normally happen.
Trfel, enjoy. I'll be here.
If you don't mind me asking, what is it that you do?
(I'm GMT, I run a tourism business and most of my work is work from home. Monday - Friday, weekends difficult.)
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On February 19 2015 10:27 The Shining wrote:
Tere, lol. If you post again, after another somewhat long gap in time, I'm seriously going to have to wonder why you couldn't answer my one question.
out of spoons, I will if you repost it, sorry if I'm lametown but i need to sleep, nn
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Morning.
I drank too much last night, have an unhappy stomach and am fuzzy headed, but right now I kinda think I wanna do something which will probably bug the crap out of everybody.
I kinda think I wanna ##vote Trfel.
It's like this. There's a post in my filter where I respond to him and say he's like this weirdly negging boyfriend that's not giving me a lady boner. I just can't shake it, I really can't. It's really bothering me.
I need everyone else to go look at Trfel's filter and see what they think. I might just be falling down the rabbit hole, but if so
I need to step away from the edge.
I need to take the car in for servicing and will be at least 8 or 9 hours. I won't be able to post but I will try and grab a coffee and do a full read and reset.
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Wow. I killed the thread! *Casts thread necro, realises ElyAs already has*
OK, well first off, I've done a full and complete reread, and I feel much better about things. I think we can win this, guys.
As often happens when you do this, I've had a complete rethink on my reads. I'm not going to apologise for that, I think it's pretty normal if I'm honest.
Here are my four townreads, I feel these are all strong townreads now:
The Shining - Firstly, the Shining, apologies for swearing at you last night when you said you were going to quit, I was just really frustrated with you. Secondly, thank you for the fisticuffs, because a)yay, I get to say fisticuffs, and b)yay, it really helped me to sort you. The whole interaction we had then made me feel much much better about you, particularly your response to my gladiation challenge. Sorry I didn't answer your question last night, I was just very sleepy and really quite tipsy and was being dippit. To answer your question on my townread of ElyAs, I felt it came from a quite genuine place of emotion from him at the time, and I could really see the flow there. I also really liked his follow up with Silverarte later, which I'd read before responding to him as strong town, and had done a filter reread, so, while I guess I didn't say so at the time, my change of view was built up from more than just the one post. Does that make sense, do you need more from me?
zlefin - looking back through his filter, on no account lynch this, this is newbie town trying to find his voice. Everything in his filter looks genuine and genuinely questioning, no ping for me at all.
Jarjar - I might not understand Jarjar's read process, but all his interactions come strongly from a town perspective. I am reading him as strongly town and have been for quite some time.
ElyAs - having gone back through his filter, I am far more comfortable with ElyAs in general.
Now, here are my two scumreads. There is quite a lot of mental distance between the two lists for me. I feel there is a very good bet this is the scumteam. I'd say I am 95% sure, for those of you who like percentages.
Silverarte - assistant scum, currently be bussed by obvscum Trfel in an attempt at towncred.
Trfel - tank scum. Probably the Godfather, if I were to guess.
I think this scum team really stacks up - there is clearly a more active scum around given the lack of obvscum in the quieter players, and it's not me and I don't believe it's the Shining, I have a strong townread on him now. If you do an associative read on these two it's also looking pretty likely.
I am going to do a full case on the pair of them and a look at associative reads. This is going to be long and detailed and it is a lot of work so you have to bear with me for a couple of hours.
I don't mind which we lynch in principle, but in practice I think it would be a lot better if we lynched Trfel. His flip will show Silverarte as scum pretty clearly I feel and will clear up all the WIFOM from his current bussing. I won't countenance lynching anyone from outside this lynchpool today. I do want the four of us to try to line up on one clear target in order that scum can't try and save themselves at the last minute. Pretty please?
Back with some epic WOTs.
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On February 19 2015 07:34 Tere wrote:Question I've bolded is in the quote. Read the spoilers. + Show Spoiler +On February 19 2015 07:03 zlefin wrote:
I've for the most part (aside from the couple posts mentioned a short while ago) liked Tere's responses of late, so I'm giving her a town point;
here's where my point totals are now:
Trfel 0/2
Shining 1/1
rsoultin 1/1 dead town N1
elyas -1/1
jarjar -1/3
tere -1/3
hier 0/2 dead town D1
silver -1/1
as a reminder, not all points area created equal, it simply means I at one time or another had a feel one way or another. Some feels are stronger than others, and I haven't yet figured out a system for letting points decay over time, or if I even should have points decay over time.
I'm going to put this in another format:
Townish: Shining
Neutral: Trfel, Jarjar, tere
Scummish: elyas, silver
Question for everyone: In terms of the above 3 categories (townish, neutral, or scummish) how would you classify each other remaining player?
If you could format it similarly to above, so it's easier to read and compare them, please do so.
Jarjar, you seem to like data and tables, would having that data from each player be helpful to you, given that they're merely statements and not votes?
So, question: Question for everyone: In terms of the above 3 categories (townish, neutral, or scummish) how would you classify each other remaining player?I would put a mental category above that in. if you are town, you know you are 100% town. I don't think there's any issue in reminding people of that. Town: Tere Townish: Trfel, Jarjar, zlefin Neutral: ElyAs, Scummish: Silverarte, The Shining If you want to contrast it to my end of N1 reads, ElyAs has moved up slightly, SilverArte has moved down. I've read the two cases against her. There are other factors, I want to wait for others to post before digging in to that. I think you / zlefin are consistently trying to find his own way newbie, I feel that's a stronger townread. I am slightly less comfy with Trfel after that weird neggy post, but I am waiting for him to respond, so I haven't moved him yet. He was my strongest townread beforehand. Where my head currently is anyway. Anyone got any burning questions? I need to sleep soonish
quickly before I WOT. zlefin, here was my read you asked for from last night. Where I am after myreread is as follows:
Town: Tere
95% Town: The Shining, zlefin, Jarjar, ElyAs
95% Scum: Silverarte, Trfel.
I'd actually be willing to go higher than 95% I think. Nothing's a certainty, but I'm pretty damn certain.
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Lookit the little scum trying to play an appeal to emotion, saying we are throwing the game.
Lookit the little scum getting ready to work up another of his lame scumcases on me.
Lookit the little scum again trying to neg my case by claiming it's going to just be based on associative reads when I said no such thing. Oh there will be a case on you, scum. You bet it. And I'll be drilling you hard. If necessary, I'll pull out every single scummy thing you've said and done in your filter, and I'll do it until you are dead.
I smell your fear, scum.
Trfel, I am calling you out - if you are so sure I am scum, Gladiate Meh!
let's do this, I have fire in my belly.
Now ignoring the thread to work on cases, until done.
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Haha, well played ElyAs. I did wonder. Nobody lynch ElyAs, ever, K thanks. Please protect anyone apart from Trfel or Silverarte tonight
I'll out if the consensus from my townreads is that you want me to
back to work
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Lookit all the appeals to emotion there.
Hey, Trfelscum, you conceding?
Epic incoming WOT once I have put some bold in.
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