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On February 16 2015 08:04 Hier wrote:
rsoultin:
Unfortunately, you did not give me much to work with. Your response can be summarized as "Your post is bad, Hier."
Anyway, I'll be back in a few hours.
Bullshit. I said that I've clearly given reads, shown the progression of my read on you, and asked how you figure this is probing to see what lynch will gain traction. Try reading next time. If you're town, you should seriously consider actually reading and thinking, and you should take the time to discern some other players' alignments.
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On February 16 2015 08:14 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin...
This is a newbie game. I think it would be a bit more appropriate if you pushed your scumreads a little less aggressively? The first scumread in newbie games tends to get upset and stop playing the game. Obviously, that is not ideal, regardless of their alignment.
>> Lol, fair enough. Though you do realize this is actually tame for me, yeah? xP
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On February 16 2015 08:19 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 08:18 rsoultin wrote:On February 16 2015 08:14 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin...
This is a newbie game. I think it would be a bit more appropriate if you pushed your scumreads a little less aggressively? The first scumread in newbie games tends to get upset and stop playing the game. Obviously, that is not ideal, regardless of their alignment. >> Lol, fair enough. Though you do realize this is actually tame for me, yeah? xP It felt about normal to me. If you were pushing me, I wouldn't even blink (based on your tone, I might be surprised by your reasoning....). If this was a normal game, it would not be a problem at all, but for a newbie game, I just think it's better to err on the side of caution.
Heh, if you've got other criticisms, Trfel, do make them.  You're hinting, after all.
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On February 16 2015 08:25 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 08:22 rsoultin wrote:On February 16 2015 08:19 Trfel wrote:On February 16 2015 08:18 rsoultin wrote:On February 16 2015 08:14 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin...
This is a newbie game. I think it would be a bit more appropriate if you pushed your scumreads a little less aggressively? The first scumread in newbie games tends to get upset and stop playing the game. Obviously, that is not ideal, regardless of their alignment. >> Lol, fair enough. Though you do realize this is actually tame for me, yeah? xP It felt about normal to me. If you were pushing me, I wouldn't even blink (based on your tone, I might be surprised by your reasoning....). If this was a normal game, it would not be a problem at all, but for a newbie game, I just think it's better to err on the side of caution. Heh, if you've got other criticisms, Trfel, do make them. You're hinting, after all. I'm refraining from coming down on either side of this until I go back through the thread. While I do like your initiative to push Hier, and I don't particularly like his response, I'm also not sure that I like the way that you are pushing him. I'm thinking something here, but I don't think it is wise to say it. If I am right, then you know why I shouldn't say it at this time.
Lol, we may have one hell of a mindmeld going on this game xP Fair enough. Carry on. I'll try to use the kid gloves
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On February 16 2015 07:20 Mimeux wrote:
Sooo I’m here, I’m nervous, and I just want the other kids to like me! xD And I’m never showing up late to one of these again hah. I’m finding it a bit challenging to form reads I can really back up with anything substantial. I find it slightly scummy that Hier would introduce a plan, talk extensively about said plan, but not add much of anything else; taking into account The Shining’s read, it could be a ploy to confuse poor little newbies like me!
Why so nervous, lady?
It's okay to base reads on feels, too, or just link the post that made you think they were town/scum. Do you have any thoughts on anyone but Hier?
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On February 16 2015 09:00 kitaman27 wrote:
Mimeux will be replaced once I hear back from a few people.
Lol, if that was because of my post I'm sorry but lol >< Dude I cannot be that scary xP
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On February 16 2015 09:29 jarjarbinks wrote:
Rsoultin: Do you actually believe Hier is scum or do you just disapprove of his idea? Town can be wrong right?
Maybe next game you can be mother hen xD lol
My vote is not because of his idea, and in fact his idea may actually be effective if used properly even though I don't think so xP Hard to tell before the idea is tried.
I do think there is the potential that he is scum, yes.
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On February 16 2015 09:58 jarjarbinks wrote:
I am curious to see where Zfelin's and Elyas's reads are right now. Has the last few pages changed things?
Rsoultin: if say no one joined your bandwagon, do you have anyone else you are suspicious of?
Yes lol. We still have about 24 hours, and some of the participating players I haven't looked into very closely yet. Also, angry Rso? ;o; I'm just animated.
If you think Hier is town solely for his creation, who do you think is scum, JJB?
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On February 16 2015 12:23 Hier wrote:
I was excited seeing so many new posts, turns out it was for naught. A lot of people are requesting that I provide further reads. I am going to point out that as off right now ElyAs, zlefin, jarjarbinks, and Trfel have not a single scum read with justification between them. Instead what we have from them is a mass of neutral to townish reads that they aren’t willing to commit to, opting to wait for more posts from other people by asking for their reads.
I have provided my prime scum read with justification. Of course rsoultin may just not be very good at the game, which is fine, but I’ll stand by my claim. The Shining’s scum read on zlefin isn’t without rationale, but I suspect the second mafia player to be one of the two inactive players. I do not have a solid town read, in fact it doesn’t make sense to, and stating you are neutral about that guy and that guy isn’t productive.
OMGUS sanity check; am I the only one who thinks this looks like drivel?
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On February 16 2015 07:08 Hier wrote:
rsoultin:
In 3 separate posts you have described your reads to be null towards people that have posted, and despite you not liking the Bridges method, which is fine, said that it is something a town player may suggest thinking it’s good.
Later, after someone mentioned they weren't a fan of my model, you've gone to suggest that I've done nothing to show that I care about finding scum,
all the while you proclaim your reads are null and just ask what other players’ reads are. That is the way mafia players probe the scene to start a bandwagon.
Why else, out of the blue, without any further analysis, would you vote me to be lynched with the phrase “Tell me why I’m wrong, or get onboard.”? No, it is your job to tell everyone the reasons behind your vote, not to tell everyone to get onboard.
Okay, in the interest of fairness, if you genuinely believe each of these claims, I can understand your scumread. So I'm going to ask you to actually quote the posts I made that led you to the three bolded conclusions. Preferably in context, because if you misrepresent me I do very much have a tendency to get tunneled xP
Once you've done so, I'll answer the last bit.
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On February 16 2015 12:54 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, are you suspicious of anyone other than Hier?
I've already answered this, Trfel, lol.
I'm getting more and more of a scum feel from Hier...though I do want to know what it is about Elyas' posting that JJB likes. He's making very little impact on me even after a second read-through.
Kind of difficult to get any read on the two outliers.
I have reasons to townread or at least put slight town leans on everyone but:
Hier
Elyas
Silver
Mime!replacement
right now, so those would be the ones I'd lynch out of, all things remaining equal. Hier could still change my mind, but his reluctance to actually engage with not just me, but most of the rest of the thread, isn't sitting well.
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Mmm...ElyAs' posting is actually okay on a second look. There's not much and his last post in particular was kind of blah, but I like this one here:
On February 16 2015 08:04 ElyAs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 07:22 The Shining wrote:[...] Ely, what in my last post before yours made you think I was hinting at posting more? This post for clarification: On February 15 2015 10:30 The Shining wrote:
Oh I remember, former teammate. And you led the openings again here. Confidently. Bah.
Its Valentines Day here in the states on a Saturday night. I don't expect posts to pick up until later tonight and tomorrow. Obviously I did plan on posting more but this post was explaining expected INactivity, not activity. I like that you have given at least basic explanations for your early reads but I'd like to see more of you. What do you think of RSo's Hier push? You're right, I was overly interpreting your post. I red "When posts pick up I'll be there" for no reason... I liked the push as a pressure tool, and it made Hier react, so it had its effect. Still don't know how to interpret his counter vote, if it's OMGUS or something else. Gonna analyze and share my thoughts.
It shows some critical thinking and a willingness to reassess. His thought process on Truffle seemed townie to me, too.
And lol, yeah, sorry, playing two games at once @.@. Something I probably will not do again.
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On February 16 2015 14:25 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, please forgive me if I missed it, it's late here and I'm about to go to sleep and I'm too lazy to double check.....
but why are you townreading The Shining? (not to disagree, but because I want to know)
I didn't specify, so it's cool. I agree with JJB in that he's active and probing, though I'm not sure I agree with Shining on Zel...dude I can't remember people's names lol. To be honest, though, it's just a town lean, cause I'm still wary of him fooling me last game I played with him xP He just seems invested in the game this time.
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On February 16 2015 14:47 Hier wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 12:51 rsoultin wrote:On February 16 2015 07:08 Hier wrote:
rsoultin:
In 3 separate posts you have described your reads to be null towards people that have posted, and despite you not liking the Bridges method, which is fine, said that it is something a town player may suggest thinking it’s good.
Later, after someone mentioned they weren't a fan of my model, you've gone to suggest that I've done nothing to show that I care about finding scum,
all the while you proclaim your reads are null and just ask what other players’ reads are. That is the way mafia players probe the scene to start a bandwagon.
Why else, out of the blue, without any further analysis, would you vote me to be lynched with the phrase “Tell me why I’m wrong, or get onboard.”? No, it is your job to tell everyone the reasons behind your vote, not to tell everyone to get onboard. Okay, in the interest of fairness, if you genuinely believe each of these claims, I can understand your scumread. So I'm going to ask you to actually quote the posts I made that led you to the three bolded conclusions. Preferably in context, because if you misrepresent me I do very much have a tendency to get tunneled xP Once you've done so, I'll answer the last bit. Alright. You went back to my original accusation, to which you have already responded, and are now demanding further explanation when, quite literally, nobody else is asking for it. People have already read my statement and have made up their minds, whatever those may be. You are creating artificial content by searching for an excuse to re-state your innocence, and projecting the appearance of scum hunting at the same time. That would create drivel. You have not been the centre of discussion for several pages, and nobody has been tunnelling you, much less me. Right now it looks like the one doing the tunnelling is you. Look, for now my vote stays where it is. If you post something that changes my mind or a more obvious scum target comes up I promise I will be the first one to let you know. For now let me focus on somebody else, instead of going through your filter again. Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 13:31 jarjarbinks wrote:On February 16 2015 07:58 rsoultin wrote:On February 16 2015 07:50 Hier wrote:
Trfel:
It only takes one other player to declare his or her support for the model to get people to support its use. I know how Bridges works and how to use it to get a town victory. I will always abide by its rules, but if you later decide it's not worth it by all means abandon it.
Didn't you say that you'd just made this method up? And again, you're focusing on the model and not what I'm asking you for. @Trfel - I am not in favor of Bridges. Clearly. Even if Hier would be the next "auto-lynch" and I'd laugh my ass off if he flips scum, caught in his own mechanism Hier, I know a lot of people have been asking you questions. Can you answer this one? Should be easy enough? I've already answered this, and my answer isn't changing. Yes, as the game began. As of right now I do not think Trfel or jarjarbinks are scum, and thus have no intention of voting for them.
I don't know if this is just because you're new, but me bringing up your case on me and giving you the opportunity to justify it...how does that come from a scum perspective? As you said, no one seems to really be buying your case, so why would I need to further establish my innocence?
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On February 16 2015 14:47 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 14:28 rsoultin wrote:On February 16 2015 14:25 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, please forgive me if I missed it, it's late here and I'm about to go to sleep and I'm too lazy to double check.....
but why are you townreading The Shining? (not to disagree, but because I want to know) I didn't specify, so it's cool. I agree with JJB in that he's active and probing, though I'm not sure I agree with Shining on Zel...dude I can't remember people's names lol. To be honest, though, it's just a town lean, cause I'm still wary of him fooling me last game I played with him xP He just seems invested in the game this time. Allow me to start this by saying that I know basically nothing about The Shining's meta... Upon twice rereading The Shining's filter, I'm slowly becoming more inclined to scumread him. I guess I'm feeling half asleep, so maybe it isn't wise to post this now, but eh... I don't really like why he is immediately so suspicious of me. Just because I rolled scum in the last game he played? It just doesn't make sense, regardless of his alignment. I also feel that her read on rsoultin is rather weak. Rsoultin has (despite her statements to the contrary) shown that she has a capable scum game, so early game questioning and poking is entirely to be expected from her and I do not believe it is alignment indicative. Looking for a better reason. Then there is the townread on Hier for doing something unique early in the game, and I've already stated that I don't find it that alignment indicative. From there, The Shining starts a small push on zlefin. Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 07:32 The Shining wrote:
Zlefin has a couple of posts that lead nowhere and weak and unexplained reads. Mentions WIFOM, game voting rules, some parroting. Says Hier and RSo could both be town or both be scum but wont commit to his reads. Seems to be all for policy lynching inactives when there were only 2. How likely is it both scum members are inactive? Likely my leading candidate for a shot at D1 scum lynch. This just feels weak. Initially I felt that The Shining was actively making a read, just one that I disagreed with, but now I'm not so sure. I'm thinking that The Shining is better than this case. The things that are wrong with it: - Mentioning WIFOM, voting rules, and parroting is in no way scum behavior. Same with policy lynching (which ironically also exists in The Shining's filter). These things are in nature not alignment indicative.
- He gave reasonable commitment to his reads on rsoultin and Hier for this point in the game. I don't see his self-acknowledged doubt as scummy, more like an inexperienced and therefore unsure townie.
- I didn't get the impression that zlefin is only going to policy lynch from reading his filter. I'm not sure where The Shining is getting this from, but I'm not convinced.
Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 12:11 The Shining wrote:
JJB if you're most worried at first glance about Zf and myself, ask yourself this:
Would I bus my partner D1 while no one but me is pressuring him? He's my top scumread with what's been put into the thread so far. And it might be WIFOM to think I'd light pressure him so that if he does ever flip scum, it'd buy me town cred. But if that was the case, I wouldn't have later commented on the fact that no one else commented on my Zfelin case. I forced it. Scum Shining would just leave it be and if he does flip, I'd be able to go "oh look I called that D1."
So I'm now waiting on Hiers defense, JJbs top scumread and Ely to swing by with a little more than that. I'm assuming you (ElyAs) dozing off now means you'll revisit the RSo Hier exchange with fresh eyes in the morning? BEFORE EoD?
For what its worth, Ely's last post was just a summary of the Hier Rso exchange, a parrot of my questioning Hiers lack of other leads, and an excuse for not giving us more.
Trfel, I really truly hate walls of text. I saw you do it as scum and so did I. I'd scum you for that entire post if I didn't actually read it lmao. And I made that point in the hopes that it would inspire you to do so, Trfel, so I'm glad you obliged. You can see how I was setting it up to see if you were really going to catch up or afk it. And eh, in a game where everyone is on opposite ends of the activity spectrum(very actively posting or lurking along, no mid ground), I feel its my best shot. Policy lynch talk and weak reads and no other talk of lynches shows a disinterest...I know I'd be a bit disinterested if I rolled scum in a newbie game.
Oh wait, I did. And I was. Last game. Lol. The first part of this post is rather defensive. Even ignoring the fact that the suspicion answered in this post was already retracted, The Shining clearly doesn't want to be scumread. Obviously town also wants to be townread, but it still seems a bit strange. And I don't understand the last paragraph at all, it makes no sense. Is The Shining scumreading me or not, and why? I guess this makes me want to add The Shining to my pool of "could potentially lynch on Day 1" people. Anyone care to give me a sanity check?
It had crossed my mind that if Hier is scum, Shining may be trying to redirect the lynch onto Zle? I'll take a closer look at your case in the morning, though, cause I'm getting tired myself :/
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On February 16 2015 14:53 Hier wrote:
By the way, for the sake of pronoun consistency, as I understand it, rsoultin, The Shining, and Mimeux are women, and the rest are men. Is that right? Apologies if I am making a mistake.
Shining is male. It's like "The Shining" with Jack Nicholson. Not relevant, but lol, I'm sure he's tired of being called a woman ^^
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On February 16 2015 14:57 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 14:54 rsoultin wrote:On February 16 2015 14:53 Hier wrote:
By the way, for the sake of pronoun consistency, as I understand it, rsoultin, The Shining, and Mimeux are women, and the rest are men. Is that right? Apologies if I am making a mistake. Shining is male. It's like "The Shining" with Jack Nicholson. Not relevant, but lol, I'm sure he's tired of being called a woman ^^ Ok good, I was scared for a second. Who else is female then? Now that it has been brought up, I'm scared that I am wrong.....
Far as I know just silver and I, since mime is being replaced. I love how this thread has derailed xP
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On February 16 2015 14:52 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 14:47 Hier wrote:On February 16 2015 12:51 rsoultin wrote:On February 16 2015 07:08 Hier wrote:
rsoultin:
In 3 separate posts you have described your reads to be null towards people that have posted, and despite you not liking the Bridges method, which is fine, said that it is something a town player may suggest thinking it’s good.
Later, after someone mentioned they weren't a fan of my model, you've gone to suggest that I've done nothing to show that I care about finding scum,
all the while you proclaim your reads are null and just ask what other players’ reads are. That is the way mafia players probe the scene to start a bandwagon.
Why else, out of the blue, without any further analysis, would you vote me to be lynched with the phrase “Tell me why I’m wrong, or get onboard.”? No, it is your job to tell everyone the reasons behind your vote, not to tell everyone to get onboard. Okay, in the interest of fairness, if you genuinely believe each of these claims, I can understand your scumread. So I'm going to ask you to actually quote the posts I made that led you to the three bolded conclusions. Preferably in context, because if you misrepresent me I do very much have a tendency to get tunneled xP Once you've done so, I'll answer the last bit. Alright. You went back to my original accusation, to which you have already responded, and are now demanding further explanation when, quite literally, nobody else is asking for it. People have already read my statement and have made up their minds, whatever those may be. You are creating artificial content by searching for an excuse to re-state your innocence, and projecting the appearance of scum hunting at the same time. That would create drivel. You have not been the centre of discussion for several pages, and nobody has been tunnelling you, much less me. Right now it looks like the one doing the tunnelling is you. Look, for now my vote stays where it is. If you post something that changes my mind or a more obvious scum target comes up I promise I will be the first one to let you know. For now let me focus on somebody else, instead of going through your filter again. On February 16 2015 13:31 jarjarbinks wrote:On February 16 2015 07:58 rsoultin wrote:On February 16 2015 07:50 Hier wrote:
Trfel:
It only takes one other player to declare his or her support for the model to get people to support its use. I know how Bridges works and how to use it to get a town victory. I will always abide by its rules, but if you later decide it's not worth it by all means abandon it.
Didn't you say that you'd just made this method up? And again, you're focusing on the model and not what I'm asking you for. @Trfel - I am not in favor of Bridges. Clearly. Even if Hier would be the next "auto-lynch" and I'd laugh my ass off if he flips scum, caught in his own mechanism Hier, I know a lot of people have been asking you questions. Can you answer this one? Should be easy enough? I've already answered this, and my answer isn't changing. Yes, as the game began. As of right now I do not think Trfel or jarjarbinks are scum, and thus have no intention of voting for them. I don't know if this is just because you're new, but me bringing up your case on me and giving you the opportunity to justify it...how does that come from a scum perspective? As you said, no one seems to really be buying your case, so why would I need to further establish my innocence?
For the record, I'd still like this answered, Hier. From a more veteran player I'd be calling to lynch you with fire for most of your posts xP but I recognize that this is a newbie game and you might actually believe what you're saying.
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Truffle, time to test that mindmeld...
what did you think I was doing with the push on Hier?
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On February 16 2015 20:43 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 09:53 jarjarbinks wrote:On February 16 2015 09:31 Trfel wrote:On February 16 2015 09:29 jarjarbinks wrote:
Rsoultin: Do you actually believe Hier is scum or do you just disapprove of his idea? Town can be wrong right?
Maybe next game you can be mother hen xD lol Town can never be wrong. Your statement is wrong, so you are scum. lolz dang it you caught me! lol While I recognize it was done in jest, I still dislike this statement, it feels scummy to say such a thing, even as a joke.
I disagree with this, zle, based solely on the fact that if you read Truffle's post to JJB it was a joke in response to a joke. Unless you believe that Truffle actually meant his "town can never be wrong so you're scum" comment
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