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On January 23 2015 09:42 Toadesstern wrote: ![]() VE and Toad reuniting to kill all townies in this game. I can already smell it. Even better if we end up being mafia together! ![]() | ||
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Just kidding, I'm watching Newsroom with the wife. But the end result is the same, I won't be in this thread consistently until AM my time. See you guys in a little while!!! | ||
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Eden calling lurkers (me Palmar Robik) mafia is really irksome to me. Like, what's the point of lynching lurkers if you're going to ignore the people posting? Does he give reasoning for townreading everyone but lurkers? And lian focusing on Eden because of "assumptions" and "omgus" is....strange. I don't know if I think it's mafia or town. Like...on the one hand maybe he just can't think of anything else to say as town. On the other, if he's mafia he's doing a good job of not doing anything while looking like he's doing something. I think I lean mafia. Assuming no hard lurkers later in the day, these are the three I'd lynch into today. | ||
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On January 27 2015 00:19 Half the Sky wrote: ...and assuming you've played with GB more, esp as scum....he appears to have had LOADS more those in his scum games I'm reading through so far. Yeah I'm not really into looking up old games anymore. If you want to and provide evidence etc, be my guest. For my part, I'm just interested in his behavior in this game and the choices and posts he makes here. So far it seems scum to me. | ||
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On January 27 2015 00:20 Onegu wrote: Dude look at fantasy football mafia 2 and to mafia lxviii. And compare GB's posts in those games he's town. I'm not looking at any past games. Look, over 3/4 of the "notes" he has on players in this game are fucking one-word jokes. His note on me is "Cool Beard" and his note on Robik is "Ughhh". There's nothing in either of those posts that seems to me like he is actually trying to find mafia. It just looks like he's trying to appear busy to me, and that looks mafia. | ||
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Just so we're clear, I'm for real real...not for play play. | ||
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On January 27 2015 00:39 GlowingBear wrote: VE, I've said pre-game I was going to try something new. This is what in trying. If you're scumreading me based on a post where I post one liners about people that said ANYTHING in the thread, you're scum I'm scumreading you because it doesn't look like you're trying to figure out the game. But neither reason for scumreading you makes me scum, nice try though. | ||
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the fuck are you doing? | ||
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On January 27 2015 01:25 GlowingBear wrote: I'm sorry, have you read all the quotations? No, you said they're just for you and the ones I opened were god-awful. Why would I open ALL of them when the ones I DO open are fucking useless? | ||
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I don't know what that means. ##Unvote ##Vote: Palmar Palmar's first day is his strongest, and he's not trying to get reads on anyone. He claims to not be reading the thread, and he's not trying to get anyone lynched. GB's response to HTS is at least quasi-reasonable, Palmar is being maliciously bad. | ||
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On January 27 2015 01:32 Palmar wrote: Correct. Now look within yourself, is there a correlation between what you have just discovered and the alignment you imply I have received? The "I'm playing too scummy to be scum" means literally less than nothing when you point it out yourself Palmar. | ||
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On January 27 2015 01:34 Palmar wrote: If that is what you believe, who am I to question it? I'll lynch you, you know. If you're town you know I'm bad enough. | ||
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On January 27 2015 01:39 Palmar wrote: You were being right so much, but now you have become wrong. This worries me. Not for your sake, but for mine. Maybe help me out a bit by not trolling if you're town? Like, I'm not sure when playing mafia like a real person and not a troll became boring for you, but if you're town this is really aggravating for me. | ||
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On January 27 2015 01:42 Toadesstern wrote: nah he's assuming you are town for the sake of discussion which isn't weird at all. that's a jest and nothing more to read into it imo I know I have played with him once... I think I lynched him instead of a confirmed mafia because he was annoying... Or he was the mafia I should have lynched and I lynched someone else because I was annoyed.... all I remember is being furious about him and someone else .........okay, so why are YOU assuming Palmar is town? | ||
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On January 27 2015 01:42 Toadesstern wrote: nah he's assuming you are town for the sake of discussion which isn't weird at all. that's a jest and nothing more to read into it imo I know I have played with him once... I think I lynched him instead of a confirmed mafia because he was annoying... Or he was the mafia I should have lynched and I lynched someone else because I was annoyed.... all I remember is being furious about him and someone else Like he's not doing the bolded because he is NOT trying to have a discussion with me. He's just trolling. So if he's NOT doing it for the sake of discussion, then what other reason could he have for "assuming I'm town" other than "He knows I'm town because he's scum"? | ||
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I miss the good ol' days when Toad bussed the fuck out of his patners -.- | ||
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On January 27 2015 01:53 Toadesstern wrote: VE... when you say everyone will take that jab at you. No matter of alignment, no matter of player. Everyone. If everyone does that it is not alignment indicating. I'm all up for lynching Palmar if he continues like this but we're not lynching him for taking a jab at you... I don't want to lynch him for taking a jab at me. I want to lynch him for being a non-entity this game when D1 is BY HIS OWN ADMISSION his very BEST day. He has done nothing but troll this day. Is he capable of such as town? Sure, absolutely. Do I find it likely? Given that he's more interested in trolling WHEN SCRUTINY IS ON HIM and less so when people aren't talking about him, I find it far more likely that he's doing it as mafia. | ||
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On January 27 2015 01:55 Palmar wrote: Does the above say something about me or Toad? Important question. It says I'm annoyed that Toad said he wants to lynch you and then defends you, and I expressed that annoyance by drawing an illusory connection between the two of you out of spite. | ||
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On January 27 2015 01:57 Toadesstern wrote: and that's fine. All I'm saying is that the one point you brought up about him talking as if he knew your alignment is wrong. Okay, well that's a really cool story bro. | ||
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No one does. What's worse is that no one quite knows how it will manifest itself. Count yourself lucky that you can't hear his voice in his rage. | ||
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Because I think you're mafia. | ||
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On January 27 2015 02:00 Palmar wrote: Are you sure? I think you want yourself to think I am mafia. I think you want to convince yourself that you think I am mafia, but I don't really think you think I am mafia. ................I'm REALLLY close to convincing myself Palmar. Don't. Test. Me. | ||
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On January 27 2015 02:08 Palmar wrote: DO NOT GIVE IN MY FRIEND. I know how hard it is for you, to use logic and intelligence to overcome what is your much baser instinct. I will stand by you. Okay then let me consider it logically. Logically speaking I know that: 1a) Palmar considers himself a good player 1b) Palmar considers D1 to be his strongest day 1c) Palmar's opinion of his play diminishes sharply AFTER D1 2) Palmar has done nothing but troll D1 3a) Palmar speaks to VE as if he knows VE is town 3b) Palmar tends to require quite a bit from VE, generally speaking, to read him town 3c) In the face of VE calling Palmar scum, Palmar continues to consider VE town. Now if I assume that mafia want to blend in and hide, then yes, I can then assume that mafia!Palmar would not act this way. However, what of all my other truths about Palmar? Do I just dismiss them out of hand? | ||
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On January 27 2015 01:39 Palmar wrote: You were being right so much, but now you have become wrong. This worries me. Not for your sake, but for mine. | ||
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On January 27 2015 02:22 GlowingBear wrote: You can't scumread me for a post you didn't entirely read. Simply as this. Okay well I promise that before I vote you again I'll read the whole thing. Fair? | ||
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On January 27 2015 02:23 Palmar wrote: Oh how I enjoy talking to you. You keep explaining what you are saying, but I keep asking why you are saying it. It's a wonderful journey. A bit like a merry go round I'm saying it to explain my read on you. You are framing it in such a way (illogical, based on nothing) that REQUIRES me to explain myself further. It's SOOOO SCUMMY!!!! | ||
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On January 26 2015 20:56 Palmar wrote: Well I can't argue with that logic ##Vote: Robik These are like, his only posts before I'd made my read. Neither of them are contributory or give any kind of read of anything. Like, I don't know what's so hard to understand. It's not what I expect from townPalmar. | ||
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Toad seems town to me, though I admit that my read on Toad is possibly bad. | ||
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On January 27 2015 02:35 IAmRobik wrote: I like Palmar...not for anything he's said or done, but because he made a string of posts atop the previous page that seemed townie to me. Plus, GB is pretty damn confirmed scum, as well as a bunch of other things that I'll get banned if I say, so like: ![]() How so? | ||
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On January 27 2015 02:36 Toadesstern wrote: one last attempt before going out: The two quotes you pulled out just recently are showing one point of your case. Points people might even agree with. Your second point however, that Palmar posts with the knowledge of your alignment, has not been shown yet. Palmar and I want you to quote that one post and tell us what about it proves his knowledge about your alignment. You somewhat dodged the question about point 2 because you just restarted your point 1, which noone had a problem with so far. It's just his response to my vote on him. I don't know, it felt like he thought I was town. I guess it could be because he thought I was town BASED on my vote on him - I hadn't really considered that. But my point stands that generally speaking, Palmar requires more than that to townread me and it FELT, TO ME, like he considered me town after my vote on him. | ||
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On January 27 2015 02:39 IAmRobik wrote: He made a string of 4 posts where he kept adjusting what he was saying, but it wasn't in a scummy way. Plus, I'm a sucker for people who make a bunch of quick posts in succession. I do it as town so I assume that other people do it as town too. But you also do it as mafia and other people also do it as mafia. But whatever, it's your read. Thx. | ||
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On January 27 2015 02:43 IAmRobik wrote: I don't recall ever doing it as mafia -- nor anyone other than CPHoya doing it on TL. It's really hard to replicate as scum because scum are afraid to post and usually just thought dump at any possibility and then they run out of ideas so have nothing else to write so just sit back and wait for another topic that they can jump in on. You just painted a really narrow view of how mafia play. Especially if it's mafia Palmar you're talking about. He's not like super great, but he's absolutely capable of shooting the shit with Toad as either alignment. | ||
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On January 27 2015 02:46 Palmar wrote: Announcement: The posts Robik refers to were made deliberately in a quick succession in an elaborate attempt to invoke amusement. ^ Like, he's absolutely capable of such as either alignment. If he's town Robik tell me why for some other reason. | ||
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On January 27 2015 02:49 Palmar wrote: Incidentally I look a bit like that. Except not blonde. Did you also marry a native American and build a log cabin? | ||
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On January 27 2015 03:01 Palmar wrote: I am not affected is something wrong with me help me please ??? Yes bby just put ur neck in this hole and stand just....here. | ||
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##Unvote Spoiler alert: I still think Palmar is mafia. | ||
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On January 27 2015 09:45 IAmRobik wrote: I don't wanna read VE because it bothers me that he is TRing me. We never get along as T/T. I gave my read on Onegu. I don't have reads on other people, but have offered free town reads for people voting for GB. So you can be town too. I think...if you're voting GB still Yeah it's amazing how easy it is for me to townread you when you don't claim mafia and fuck around the first half of D1. Also pretty sure I townread you for the entirety of last game, whether correct or not. | ||
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Anyway, I'm catching up. Maybe you are. Let me read. I'll tell you for free though that I have a hard time believing Toad is mafia. I hope you explain why somewhere between when I left and now. | ||
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Like, did he even read it? Why would he call it a wall? | ||
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Palmar coming in and actually trying to lynch someone moves him out of my lynch preferences for today, so GB is my default as of right now. Unless someone can convince me that Toad is the best lynch, I'm going to look for a better lynch than GB, in case there is one. | ||
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What are you even saying here? My reasons for being suspicious of GB are documented, and verily even referenced by other players. Are you trying to discredit me or troll me? | ||
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On January 28 2015 03:11 GlowingBear wrote: You consider risking voting for myself to be defensive? To say that my mind notes posts are forced contribution, I want you to tell me if my reads are fluff. If they aren't fluff, they are actual contribution, so half of your reasons were debunked. ##Vote: GlowingBear I don't have to tell you shit. I don't care if you THINK you've debunked my reasons. Please, tell me again how voting for yourself makes you town. Get lynched, GB. | ||
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I'm not sure if that was missed or whatever. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: liancourt Palmar feel free to elaborate on your Toad read whenever you get the chance. If I agree with it I might reconsider - I'm historically bad at reading Toad, so meh. | ||
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On January 28 2015 11:02 GlowingBear wrote: Lian is probably town, why are you voting him again? Because everyone else is like, MORE probably town. I kinda like GB's explanation for the self-vote and Palmar is looking much better. Lian is just kinda in the background, etc. etc. I just think he's a fine lynch. Maybe why don't YOU explain why YOU think he's town and maybe I'll agree? | ||
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Palmar and GB both swinging back toward townie to me. Though I WOULD like Palmar to explain his push on Toad in greater detail. I asked him once and he explained nothing. He sounded townie when he came back though. Lian is just doing the least to figure out the game to me. Like there are things in most peoples' filters that makes me think they're town and lian just has a lack of that. | ||
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Are you mafia-reading Toad? If so, why? | ||
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Honestly I think we should start thinking about just coming up with a lynch we can all agree on. Right now I'm looking at Onegu and lian, but Palmar could (if he tried) convince me to vote Toad. | ||
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You know that shit doesn't work on me... | ||
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Whatever...either explain your Toad read or look at Onegu for me. Otherwise you might have to convince a mafia to replace me on your lynch preference. | ||
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On the one hand I can see that I guess. Toad hasn't been jumping up and down about anyone, which is pretty much a Toad staple to me. On the other hand I don't want to give Palmar the satisfaction of getting his lynch by saying only "Lynch Toad" repeatedly. | ||
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By association. :/ HTS I'd like YOU to look at Onegu's filter, paying special attention to the progression of his read on liancourt. | ||
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But him reading you to exclusion IS something. Especially given, as HTS said, that town sentiment is VASTLY in favor of Toad/lian and has been for a while I think. | ||
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Assume with me for a moment that I'm voting with you. That's you and me on GB. There are still 3 people on Toad and 2 people on liancourt (I think?) If we're unable to sway anyone else, who are you going to vote for consolidation, if anyone? | ||
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On January 29 2015 01:33 Palmar wrote: kill toad. Yes, who's a good boy? That's right! Palmar is a GOOD boy! | ||
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On January 29 2015 01:47 Palmar wrote: This is the best post I have read on TL mafia. Ever. I'm not in total disagreement... | ||
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On January 29 2015 01:48 liancourt wrote: does this mean i can't sleep? ##Unvote Sleep soundly young prince. | ||
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On January 29 2015 01:51 Half the Sky wrote: Palmar presented a case (and has since been further supported by other subsequent points, like the vote, lack of pushes, etc) on Toad. Maybe it's your style I don't know. I triple checked your filter, and I see posts like what you have on page 1-2 of your filter: You don't appear to be explaining why he's mafia. I made a case based on stuff GB said, but I am trying to see your reasoning for voting him. How do I know you aren't potential scum trying to take advantage of a town-driven case? I have to question that. you're fuckign wrong. Look at the formatting of his posts. It's all disjointed, like a bunch of separate sentences even though they're about the same thing. I mean I think you need stronger points than this. On January 27 2015 02:14 IAmRobik wrote: GB: I metaread Robik as mafia because he isn't posting. Robik starts posting GB: Robik is scum because: meta Why isn't this day over yet with mafia!GB lynched? I see this quote and my first reaction is to say....uh, counterargument, please? Then I see stuff from you like "free town reads" for people voting GB. I feel the difference between Palmar and you is that at least Palmar has shown at least a shred of critical thinking. He has explained his pushes and his justifications for doing things. I don't think you have. Not yet. Some general points about being AFK, etc, but I mean, I've been doing that a lot too, and so have some others. Am I making sense now? And to be fair, I am keeping an eye on GB, given my latest post. I still didn't like his notes, and he's definitely not as towny to me as say VisceraEyes. [/QUOTE] | ||
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On January 29 2015 01:53 Palmar wrote: Do you still think I'm fictional VE? I think I like you better when you incorrectly call me mafia, if you can believe that. | ||
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On January 30 2015 08:21 Onegu wrote: Here he is on the GB lynch after voting GB then Palmar. Here he is saying he is leaning town on lian. But notice between calling lian townie, he never mentions lian again before voting him. And gives no reason for voting lian. When pushed he gives this BS reason And now the unvote with no reason as lian gets close to being hammered. And the rest of his filter is calling palmar scum. So do you think I'm mafia? Like, if you didn't like my "BS" reasoning for unvoting lian, why didn't you say anything about it at the time? Too busy fading into the background? | ||
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On January 30 2015 08:24 IAmRobik wrote: VE, Do you think that onegu's case on you is townie? I don't really understand the question. I can see a townie raising the concerns he raises, but I can also see a mafia pretending to raise the concerns he raises. It's not alignment indicative one way or the other imo. | ||
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That makes it super ezmode. | ||
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On January 30 2015 08:33 Onegu wrote: To me it looks like you made up a reason to bus your scum mate and when he got close you unvoted for no reason. That's cool, and to me it looks like you're grasping because you know I've been scumreading you since yesterday. Or maybe you don't, who knows, but you're grasping nonetheless. | ||
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On January 30 2015 08:49 Onegu wrote: This is a lie you didn't follow up on it. The next time you mention him following up is when you call me scum for voteing him and my case. Then you make one more post saying you are between me and him. How the hell is that following up? How is it not? You literally just described me following up! LOL If anyone has actual problems with my play then I'll entertain this further. | ||
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<3 Robik | ||
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##Raise: Hand | ||
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It's all in my sig there, just look it up. There's precedent. | ||
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##Vote: Palmar ....that did make me feel a little better. | ||
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I never bought into the hype bby. | ||
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