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On January 20 2015 07:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: how about cohosting instead you scrub ![[image loading]](http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_melbedO9p41r0hwkoo1_400.gif) /cohost | ||
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A thing crossed my mind and I want to try something different. I hope I don't roll scum, though. | ||
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On January 21 2015 10:27 Eden1892 wrote: i would like not to roll mafia for the fourth time in five games online (and i think eight of the past ten including irl) "Lynch target acquired. Loading wagon." | ||
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On January 20 2015 07:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: how about cohosting instead you scrub | ||
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On January 26 2015 08:32 Eden1892 wrote: also we have a qt together is that relevant to the game? i dont remember Oh cool! Who are you masoned with? | ||
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On January 26 2015 08:24 Toadesstern wrote: Game has started. Is there a mayor spot in this game? I don't want to end up pardoner again ... but there's no mayor spot in this game... so I plan on running for [pseudo-] mayor The 2 major aspects of my candidacy:
you do what I say, I am happy. A happy Toad means I get to do the stuff I need to do to solve this game and can't a) get annoyed about some idiot that needs some talking to because you simply do as I say b) pretend to be dealing with some idiot that needs some talking to because you simply do as I say sounds good, right? Who wants to be my sheriff. The position is currently up for grabs. You can't sign up for it but I will call out to whoever seems up for the job. ##Vote: Toadsteem | ||
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On January 26 2015 08:35 Half the Sky wrote: Hey GlowingBear! First game together since.....Carol? It's been awhile! O hai! I'm pairing myself blue, do you know why? | ||
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On January 26 2015 08:39 Toadesstern wrote: wait, is that a vote for mayor or a vote for lynch? You also typo'd my name For a lynch. I don't vote mafia because, well... Democracy. | ||
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On January 26 2015 08:39 Half the Sky wrote: GB, joke vote or? I've never played with him so if you have a meta point, please explain. Neither did I What do you think I'm voting him for? | ||
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On January 26 2015 08:40 Half the Sky wrote: No blue roles in this game, so I am confused. I meant "painting" Because I want to be the sky with you ❤ | ||
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On January 26 2015 08:41 Toadesstern wrote: I see. That explains why you voted me indeed. I meant for mayor. Uhm. | ||
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Toad is probably town after this Anyway, preliminary town pass for you, Toad. What do you think of lians vote? | ||
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On January 26 2015 09:09 liancourt wrote: gb what do you think of my vote? It was sexy. Actually, it's null, coming from you. | ||
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On January 26 2015 09:11 Eden1892 wrote: everyone is null so far except qtpi. qtpi is confirmed town and i am also confirmed town i changed my mind, im going to lurk instead of afk. i hope that makes me easier to read Yes, it makes it easier to lynch you. | ||
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On January 26 2015 09:19 Toadesstern wrote: directed at me? Null. Wasn't the same "I don't give a fuck" you had in yours, as well as being made after I told the thread that I liked your innitial vote. Sure I didn't explain why I liked it despite it being a horrible vote at that time but being the 2nd one to do something like that, especially after I point it out like that, is a lot easier than being the first to do it, so no towniepoints for that. So nothing really Isn't it odd that he didn't Unvote yet, and how do you think mafia would react to my vote on you? | ||
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GB's 1st Mindnotes (disclaimer: this is something new I'm trying to keep track of my thoughts) 1. IAmRobik + Show Spoiler + Argh 2. Onegu + Show Spoiler + I don't like this post + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=6#102 I also don't like this post of his + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#127 Again, Onegu just comments with a single "lol" + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#139 3. GlowingBear + Show Spoiler + Adorable 4. Eden1892 + Show Spoiler + Too jokey for like 4 pages long. Could be scum. 5. liancourt + Show Spoiler + EXACTLY MY THOUGHTS ABOUT TOAD'S ENTRANCE + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=8#143 6. Palmar + Show Spoiler + Playing DotA 7. VisceraEyes + Show Spoiler + Cool beard 8. Toadesstern + Show Spoiler + I hated his entrance + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=5#95 But then, he wrote this post + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#134 9. Half the Sky + Show Spoiler + I hate this post + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=5#98 INCONSISTENCY ALERT!!!! Say everyone but lian is leaning town here + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#140 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#125 Where did those suspicions go? Weird. Townreads so far: Toadsteem liancourt Possible scums (in order): Eden HTS Onegu | ||
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On January 26 2015 10:25 IAmRobik wrote: vote: halfthesky It's instant majority. Just so you know. | ||
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By the way, I don't remember playing with toad. Robik, what have you got so far? | ||
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On January 26 2015 11:03 liancourt wrote: Yea but thats when there is a strong thread sentiment. It's like early day 1 there is no strong sentiment. That's why eden's reasons are odd. Yeah but this is not in a scummy way. That isn't what makes Eden possibly scummy. HTS town read on toads entrance, THAT is odd in a scummy way. | ||
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GB's 2nd Mindnotes 1. IAmRobik + Show Spoiler + Robik entered the thread completely disinterested. He didn't try yet to do anything. I thought he could be busy and afk, then I asked a question to also see if he was here. Answer: he is, and he says he isn't reading the thread + Show Spoiler +. Well, why is he FOLLOWING the thread but not actually READING the thread to try to figure the game out? Leaning scum. 2. Onegu + Show Spoiler + I don't like this post + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=6#102 I also don't like this post of his + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#127 Again, Onegu just comments with a single "lol" + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#139 3. GlowingBear + Show Spoiler + Adorable 4. Eden1892 + Show Spoiler + Too jokey for like 4 pages long. Could be scum. 5. liancourt + Show Spoiler + EXACTLY MY THOUGHTS ABOUT TOAD'S ENTRANCE + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=8#143 6. Palmar + Show Spoiler + Playing DotA 7. VisceraEyes + Show Spoiler + Cool beard 8. Toadesstern + Show Spoiler + I hated his entrance + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=5#95 But then, he wrote this post + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#134 9. Half the Sky + Show Spoiler + I hate this post + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=5#98 INCONSISTENCY ALERT!!!! Say everyone but lian is leaning town here + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#140 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#125 Where did those suspicions go? Weird. Townreads so far: Toadsteem liancourt Possible scums (in order): Robik Eden HTS Onegu | ||
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On January 26 2015 11:18 Eden1892 wrote: What's odd about HTS Xplain like I'm five And drunk at bday dinner cuz I sm Uhm... You should know what is odd because I've explained it on the post you supposedly read to say I'm against thread sentiment? | ||
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On January 26 2015 11:22 Eden1892 wrote: Proof http://imgur.com/3Xgxpzj Sober peopl don't spill lobster on the griyd Hmm, a picture in black. | ||
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On January 26 2015 11:25 Eden1892 wrote: I didn't read anything but your toad spoiler And mine but I'm a Marxist How do you fucking know I'm against thread sentiment, then??? | ||
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On January 26 2015 11:24 IAmRobik wrote: vote: GB + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://washingtonnote.com/twn_up_fls/flames-thumb-500x333.jpg) Can you feel it, Robik? | ||
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On January 26 2015 11:28 IAmRobik wrote: GB, you're supposed to vote me bitch Ooooooh you called me "bitch" %%Vote: Robik | ||
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On January 26 2015 11:32 IAmRobik wrote: You call me scum and have me on your scum list. Why aren't you voting me? You literally have me atop your scum list. Especially since your top scum voted you for being a hypocritical POS who is calling HTS scum...I vote HTS and you call me scum. You're not even thinking about the game. You're clearly just throwing around a bunch of names of people who you want to lynch and are noncommittal about any of it. Get Rekt Mafia Scum Hmm the list is from the least to most scummy It's too early to start voting on an instant majority game I'm not making unflipped association reads, specially this early, it doesn't matter who you're voting for. Proof: there are four people listed as scum in a game where 2 is the only possibility. Saying that I'm not trying to think is silly specially after all the reads I've already shared. You should be able to see where I'm coming from. | ||
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On January 26 2015 11:43 Eden1892 wrote: Ok. I think I have actual good argument. I type RELLY careful Lian says I am different from what he remembers so I'm bad But I was scum then If I Different from before isn't that town??? Confused HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I ROFL'D WITH THIS No because you've played imperial mafia very well and you were town. I actually disagree that you looked that townie in that game but you got shot night1 meh. | ||
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On January 26 2015 11:54 IAmRobik wrote: who the fuck is that and has s/he posted since i started playing? Nope, read the thread and player list please. Or you can just read my mind note on him, but you'll be spoiled. | ||
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On January 26 2015 12:07 Eden1892 wrote: I mean the liancourt thing though He says he scumread me for being different than before but last game we played I was mafia. How is his reason making sense? And I even explain how I was different. Dont ignore this please. I will come back to it if people do until they stop. This is a good point. liancourt is just looking for excuse to scumread me with that read This Gatorade was good, you can make sense out of things and type correctly very quickly huh? | ||
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Robik is mafia ##Vote: Robik | ||
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Make me believe you're town Giev me reeds. | ||
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Let's hammer Robik, please. | ||
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On January 26 2015 22:50 Half the Sky wrote: GB, regarding #2, I don't fully agree with your read, as I said before, I can see a null or scum read on his behaviour going either way, and to me, he's sarcastic (but tone read) and such, but I am taking him at face value. If you are taking him out based on meta, I need you to explain. Oh, half of my sky, it's meta-ish. Town Robik mostly tries to solve the game and figure the shit out. The only way he doesn't do this is when he is blue or mafia. There are no blue roles in the game, therefore, Robik is mafia. Tell me, HTS, why would town Robik lose his time lurking in the thread but refuses to read the first pages of the game? The game started at page 6. It's not that much to read. Even without the meta-ish thing. He is acting scummy. | ||
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If Robik is town, we get rid of him anyway win/win | ||
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On January 26 2015 23:48 Onegu wrote: Robik is reminding me of Cora in BttB just shit in the thread and flip town after I tunneled him all game... And GB how is getting rid of town robik a win!? Like you say he isn't interested, but he's been around more than palmar, me and VE. @ palmar what logic? Ru scum? I expect better than that from you. Because it's Robik. Getting rid of him is always a win | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + I hate this post + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=5#98 INCONSISTENCY ALERT!!!! Say everyone but lian is leaning town here + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#140 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#125 Where did those suspicions go? Weird. HTS, can you address to these points? | ||
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On January 27 2015 00:43 Half the Sky wrote: For the fourth time, please respond to my accusations. I am scumreading you disregarding meta, if you are trying something new, then I assume you can post a defence at face value. I find boring responding to your accusations because I'm town and it makes those accusations completely false. Anyway, gonna do this now. | ||
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On January 26 2015 14:59 Half the Sky wrote: Again, I'm sorry this is a massive post but the TLDR version of the above scumread on GB: 1 Massive note/"giant shiny posts" should be examined for inaccuracies or being misleading 2 The game setup needs to be considered given the list of scumreads (instant lynch) 3 GB has taken several points out of context on two reads which are cause for concern given #2. I try to examine how a true townie would have examined the information. 1. Yes they should be examined, but have in mind I'm posting this so I can keep track of my thoughts. A huge problem on Imperial Mafia was that I repeatedly forgot important things about people and that made my reads more difficult. Nonetheless, no read of mine is misleading. In a world where there is already discussion going on, you're supposed to contribute and that is NOT what Onegu is doing. His reads are too superficial, two liners. If you analyse those posts I've quoted in and overall POV, you'll realise that he isn't trying to solve the game. Those post are him faking putting thoughts on what kind of vote that was. But it went to no conclusion. A question here: why my vote was scummy and Robik's probably town trolling? How can you still say everybody was leaning town when you had suspicions on me? How can you suddenly think I'm mafia for that? You've played once with me and you are trying to push meta reads. You're analysing last games of mine. Yet you disregard Robik's meta saying that "you haven't played with him yet". Well, you could do what you're doing with me now. Why the double standards? How can you say that you town read lian and instantly call him a potential scum in the big meta post? 2. No it doesn't. I have to see who is probably scum and decide who to lynch today. Period. 3. No points out of context. Actually, I've quoted individual posts but I read them considering Onegu's overall gameplay until now. I guess that's all. | ||
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On January 27 2015 01:20 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm scumreading you because it doesn't look like you're trying to figure out the game. But neither reason for scumreading you makes me scum, nice try though. I'm sorry, have you read all the quotations? | ||
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On January 27 2015 01:26 VisceraEyes wrote: No, you said they're just for you and the ones I opened were god-awful. Why would I open ALL of them when the ones I DO open are fucking useless? You can't scumread me for a post you didn't entirely read. Simply as this. | ||
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On January 27 2015 02:55 Eden1892 wrote: Robik if I help you lynch GlowingBear can we lynch liancourt next? If you thought GB had it out for you, just read liancourt's filter, like half of it is targeted at me and it's mostly misinterpretations Ridiculous negotiation. Ridiculous. You had a townread on me and you're considering lynching me so you can get lian lynched? What? Townies, you're risking a mislynch on me. And the blame is all on you. I'm at the beach now so will be more active at night/ If I come back to discover I was hammered, I'm gonna be mad. | ||
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On January 27 2015 03:15 Eden1892 wrote: obviously i'm not townreading you anymore...??? Reasons being? Robik I've done a lot already. I've clearly answered half the sky case when I got home. WTF. | ||
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Like. Seriously. Point out specific problems on those reads at that time. Robik I was out the entire day and if you think it's alignment indicative you should check my most recent town games. My suspicions on you weren't because you were afk. My suspicions on you were because you were actively following the thread but no posting until people called you out. Then I asked for a read and you simply denied to do ("haven't read the thread", "who the fuck is this guy"). You're simply denying information here. Why not reading important things and contribute instead of just lurk? I didn't updated my read on you because I was outside all they long, not actually reading the thread. C'mon. And if anyone here doesn't understand why this is scummy, you can lynch me because I can't convince you with any other obvious arguments and I just rather die than giving me the trouble to persuade you | ||
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Robik is town. That reaction is genuine. Calm down, Robik. You take what I say too seriously. | ||
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You're calling me mafia for things that doesn't make me mafia. You're too tunnelled. | ||
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On January 28 2015 01:21 Half the Sky wrote: GlowingBear, you realise I'm not the only one scumreading you, right? Oh wait, is that a scum I see giving up? Yeah, that is a scum giving up. Gg well played | ||
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On January 28 2015 01:26 Palmar wrote: You have something to say GB? Or are you going to stick with this? Yes, I have. Think about the vote. | ||
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You would never jump this easily on a guy who is voting himself knowing that there are only 2 scums in the game and survivability is crucial, SPECIALLY when it's instant majority. Too risky move for a mafia to do in instant majority. You know that. | ||
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On January 28 2015 01:41 IAmRobik wrote: Were you making them big plays GB with that self-vote? Was that your grandiose plan this whole time? You're a fucking genius!!!! Oh wait, nope, you're just mafia who got scared about getting banned for playing against win-con. Wow. That's your explanation? Lol | ||
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That's why you voted the Chyz in imperial right? Oh you didn't. | ||
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On January 28 2015 01:53 Toadesstern wrote: whatever... Palmar apparently went crazy and a bunch of people too. Lynch down the list: Ongegu Lian GB and we win. ##vote GlowingBear Lol. Gg. One between Palmar and Toad is mafia. | ||
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I can see only one possible trait and that one is being afk. I have no fucking idea why you want to lynch me. | ||
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On January 28 2015 02:41 VisceraEyes wrote: GB my reasoning is simple. Your "mind dump" posts looked very much like trying to appear contributory to me. This is exacerbated by the fact that once called out on them you simply stopped doing them. Earlier on in the game your posting had a theme of "BRB guys, I'm reading but I'll BRB I'm doing something else BRB" and since you've returned you've seemed really defensive. You consider risking voting for myself to be defensive? To say that my mind notes posts are forced contribution, I want you to tell me if my reads are fluff. If they aren't fluff, they are actual contribution, so half of your reasons were debunked. | ||
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It's totally relevant because he was martyring and if you think even a green check should be lynched you should be voting him in that game. It makes your policy argument a total bullshit. | ||
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On January 28 2015 03:26 Half the Sky wrote: How long is this going to take me to answer? 1 You took Onegu out of context in a misleading way (pages 14 and 19 of thread) 2 You took me out of context in a misleading way, the read on Toad (pages 14) 3 You took me out of context AGAIN saying I was pushing you based on meta when the opposite was true (page 19) 4 You did not interact with me whilst we were in thread together over an action you thought was scumlike from me, instead you waited to make it as a point just so you could make a point in your notes. Furthermore I INTERACTED WITH YOU. (page 14) 5 VE scumreads you for not solving the game and you don't even give him a good response for how you are (page 17) 6 When I call you out for ignoring my posts you say you are coming up to a random page. I MEAN COME ON. I know you are not new to these games (page 36) 7 Then you go and decide you'll claim scum (page 39). Your lack of activity isn't helping but there is more than enough to scumread you. 1. I didn't and I've already explained that. This is you OMGUSing trying to find a reason to scumread me. 2. Same as 1 3. I'm sorry, you were looking for previous games and comparing to this. If this isn't meta, I have no idea what this is. 4. I can have scumreads without interaction. It doesn't make anyone scum. 5. Afk, haven't seen that but already answered him here. 6. Well, that's true, I've went to random pages. Bummer. 7. Nah, I've made a move to see who would be the 4th vote on me. Risking voting me after that is scum behaviour. Being the fourth vote is a way to get a town wagon to be possibly hammered by a townie. It shifts responsibility to the guy who hammers. I don't know it you can understand me here. | ||
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On January 28 2015 03:31 IAmRobik wrote: He has LITERALLY claimed mafia. What the fuck are you guys doing? It happens a lot, right? You see mafia claiming mafia all the time. Is this out of spite because I made a joke on you or are just brain farting right now? | ||
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On January 28 2015 03:53 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: GlowingBear I don't have to tell you shit. I don't care if you THINK you've debunked my reasons. Please, tell me again how voting for yourself makes you town. Get lynched, GB. YOU CAN'T SAY I'M FAKING CONTRIBUTION IF I'M ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTING, OF COURSE YOU HAVE TO REASON THINGS WTF VOTING FOR MYSELF IS A RISK MAFIA WOULDN'T TAKE IN AN INSTANT MAJORITY LYNCH WTF AND IT SHOWS YOU THAT I'M NOT BEING DEFENSIVE WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU????? | ||
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Eden, I have voted myself as a e part of a play. You can see that Paulmark asked me if I wanted to say something else and I said That he should think about the vote which means It was part of a plan. | ||
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Ok, listen. An idea crossed my mind: if I vote myself, I would be two votes away from being hammered. Obvious scum would get me lynched quickly if both mafia voted me. If that happened, well, town would figure it out very quickly and game over for them. If both mafia were already voting for me, all they needed to do was to try to convince the thread to vote me. But what I think would be the most smart play for mafia would be to be airtime wishy washy but then quickly voting me and finally waiting for a townie to vote for me. The guy who would hammer a town would be VERY suspicious. This way, mafia avoids responsibility and gets a townie mislynched. You see, if you see someone voting for himself, SPECIALLY in an instant majority game like this, you HAVE to take a step back and consider what's going on. You can't jumping to the lynch too quickly because you risk getting a townie mislynched. You have to think about what's going on. You understand what I'm trying to say here? I voted myself expecting a mafia behaviour, and I saw that behaviour on Palmar. | ||
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This is the proof. If I was actually martyring, if I was really conceding, do you think I would reply such thing to palmar? | ||
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On January 28 2015 01:27 Palmar wrote: btw do we actually have 4 votes on him? Palmar, if you were so mad at me that you had to vote me for that, why asking this BEFORE voting me? | ||
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On January 28 2015 01:28 Palmar wrote: yeah no he only has 3 votes on him Himself, HTS and Robik. See, you realise this and THEN you vote me. | ||
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On January 28 2015 01:30 Palmar wrote: I don't want advice from shitty people who self-vote. I literally have no respect for martyring like a loser. This is on your own head as I have to leave now Policy vote ##unvote ##vote Glowingbear Then, to avoid more responsibility, you get behind a policy lynch excuse. | ||
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On January 28 2015 01:45 Palmar wrote: Like I would kill you even if I was a cop with a green check on you Then when I bring a fact like this, you just dismiss it, saying it is irrelevant, when it is EXTREMELY relevant, since you didn't have the same behaviour there when another guy was martyring. And this game is majority lynch. That game was plurality. | ||
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On January 28 2015 10:10 Palmar wrote: that was more like "hey I might actually not be hammering him" Just so you know, if we had 4 votes on you, I WOULD have lynched you. But I didn't have, and you made sure I didn't, because just After you said I had 3 votes and THEN you voted me | ||
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On January 28 2015 10:11 Palmar wrote: Just shut the fuck up GB, this is an awful line of thought. Point out the failure in my line of thought. | ||
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On January 28 2015 10:12 Palmar wrote: Sure, because I didn't want the day to end. Then why voting me and risking getting me hammered in the fist place? The day would have ended Lol palmar. WTF | ||
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You said you could have hammered me. Then I show you knew you wouldn't Then you say that you didn't want the day to end Then I say that it doesn't make sense because if you didn't want he day to end you shouldn't be voting me at the first place Then you say that if I flipped town it would tell a lot about the person who hammered me, when I clearly stated the opposite: that scum would avoid hammering to deflect attention, and again, this goes against th idea of the day not ending. | ||
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On January 28 2015 10:25 Palmar wrote: No, I would have hammered you. I absolutely would 100% have. You showed something that was completely irrelevant to the question of whether or not I would have hammered you. I just explained this. I was ranting. If someone wanted to swoop and end it I was okay with that, I just wasn't quite done ranting. You're thinking actions. I'm thinking HOW that hammer vote would have been delivered. Look at Toad's vote on yourself. That's how mafia votes. ARGH I KNOW, THAT'S THE WHOLE FUCKING PROBLEM. I really think you have fitted scum POV but toads vote was ridiculous | ||
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On January 28 2015 10:26 Palmar wrote: Okay discard everything you think about me, and just answer this hypothetical question. If I am town. What do you think my real motivation for voting you was? That's the problem. I can't think of town motivation to do that. I would take a step back if I could see it. But I don't see town looking at a self vote and instantly voting on that guy. I'm trying to put myself in your place as town, but I would instantly townread the guy who did that. | ||
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On January 28 2015 10:28 Palmar wrote: Also, explain in your confirmation-biased view, why I immediately unvoted there after Toad voted (I was on phone, I could've feigned being away, I think I even mentioned a few posts earlier I was leaving). Ok this make sense now. Let me re read it ##unvote for now so I can see it. | ||
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I can see you unvoting me because you didn't want the thread to scumread you (after I called you mafia) but this is less likely to come from scum. I also see you going against toad which is against thread sentiment which is also townie. ARGH hard to choose. I think I'll sheep you into toad now that you are possibly town and in case toad flips green I'll lynch you. ##Vote: Toad | ||
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On January 28 2015 10:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Ehhhhh...I think I like this the most. ##Unvote ##Vote: liancourt Palmar feel free to elaborate on your Toad read whenever you get the chance. If I agree with it I might reconsider - I'm historically bad at reading Toad, so meh. Lian is probably town, why are you voting him again? | ||
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But I think his anger on me was genuine so I don't really know what to say. I remember scumreading him before. | ||
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On January 28 2015 11:06 Eden1892 wrote: Why the fuck do I have 11p filter d1. Fuck this shit. Because u 2 qtie | ||
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On January 28 2015 19:16 Eden1892 wrote: I'm not seeing how he's applying pressure. His posting style just doesn't allow for it. If he's pressing me and I know the guy is liable to bounce from the thread and not follow up on his questioning me, why would I feel any incentive to take his questions seriously? I argued earlier about him tunneling me not necessarily being town, I'll have to filter dive myself because I'm an idiot who won't stop posting but it's in there somewhere. Toad is the better kill of the two but I really think they're 1-2 right now. Well, he pressured you a lot. But now I've just reminded that he did this catch up shit once as mafia. And he is just putting thoughts in the thread without trying to solve the game. He may be mafia. I'm gonna read Onegu's case and read lians filter, then toads, and decide. | ||
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I don't think that he soft defended palmar an I don't think it is alignment indicative. I do believe that his policy lynching talk is bullshit, but it's not the strongest argument to call him scum. I would say that your case would make him null. What makes lian possibly scum is the fact that he always argued that he has better reads when he is internacting with people. Yet he does this catch up posts which completely contradicts his town meta | ||
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Ok my lynch list is between Toad, Robik, Onegu and lian. I actually don't want to lynch onegu today, I would rather take another look on him. Lian, can you address to this, please?: why are you ignoring real time interactions since you stated repeatedly in other games that your way of evaluating people's play is by having real time interactions? Why would you rather bring a lot of old stuff without actually making anything out of them? I'm seriously wishy washy regarding toad. I'm afraid I could be tunnelled because he voted me. But his survival vote was really bad. It makes me think this again: would mafia be so obvious? Regarding Robik, I thought his reaction about my joke post on him was genuine. The problem is that he is voting me since the beginning of the game without actually pursuing to discover my alignment. All he does is call me mafia for bad reasons but makes no intent to actually lynch me. He is just laying there, with a vote on me, calling people bad because he is "leading the wagon". He may have started it, but the main vocal person against me is HTS, who is actually trying to convince people to get me dead. Robik, in the other hand, just points out a post and say "OH YOU'RE JUST MAFIA TRYING TO LOOK TOWNIE" which is ridiculous. My preferred lynch today is Robik. ##unvote ##Vote: Robik | ||
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On January 29 2015 01:04 Palmar wrote: kill toad HAHAHAHAHA ok palmar, let's do this. LEEEEEEROY JENKINS ##Unvote ##Vote: toad | ||
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On January 30 2015 08:14 IAmRobik wrote: Two things 1) 4 votes to maj today 2) please explain why GB is still alive 3rd unexpected thing that I just thought of, maybe GB is town since I didn't get nk'd (but that's just wifom) Palmar, you're going to have to answer for your treasonous crimes at some point. C'mon this is bullshit. You've scumread me the entire game and now you wonder why I'm still alive? Why, because I looked townie to you? You're so mafia, Robik. I'm going to prove it . | ||
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Tomorrow will be also like that VE, what's your read on Onegu now that you voted me? | ||
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On January 30 2015 10:15 Palmar wrote: my bad guys see you tomorrow It cannot sound more forced than that. | ||
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On January 30 2015 13:32 liancourt wrote: gb lets lynch onegu Yes Why? Why is him better than Robik? | ||
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On January 30 2015 15:34 liancourt wrote: GB - I expect better from him and I'm just seeing him tunnel on robik, but he voted toad for whatever reason i have no idea. I haven't seen any reads from him and he's just there going at robik who I'm townreading. Moreover, he's bringing in IRL reasons over and over again, I cringe at anyone making excuses, like i've said before, if you're that busy replace out please. It's like we're meant to townread them because they have a good excuse...nope. Onegu - The little case on ve is an associative read based on the presumption that I'm mafia and that ve bussed and unvoted me. Lets not do associative reads, and your case is based on assumption....make a case that doesn't have an assumption in it. Overall poor case trying to make it look like he's scum hunting with an argument that is a fallacy. I wanted to kill Robik but I saw it wasn't getting traction. After I started town reading palmar over what I know believe is null indicative, and after his determination to kill toad (like I was after holyflare on carol), and knowing I wouldn't be here, I thought I should sheep palmar. I think palmar looks bad and that he is possibly mafia I think Robik is mafia I think onegu could be mafia, I'm not sure I think lian could be mafia, I'm not sure I think VE is probably town (his play looks like Avogadro) I think HTS is probably town (too much effort trying to solve the game) Am I forgetting someone? | ||
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On January 26 2015 11:32 IAmRobik wrote: You call me scum and have me on your scum list. Why aren't you voting me? You literally have me atop your scum list. Especially since your top scum voted you for being a hypocritical POS who is calling HTS scum...I vote HTS and you call me scum. You're not even thinking about the game. You're clearly just throwing around a bunch of names of people who you want to lynch and are noncommittal about any of it. Get Rekt Mafia Scum Starts suspecting me because I'm not making associative reads. + Show Spoiler + On January 26 2015 12:07 IAmRobik wrote: I think you're scum, so your "read" on him doesn't matter to me This is where I started to suspect Robik. His reluctance to read onegu striked me as odd. As I said I had a read on onegu at that time and asked Robik just to give thoughts, he just says I'm scum and he won't read what I wrote. Bizarre. If you have a scumread, you're probably give some thoughts at key posts so you can keep confirming of rediscovering the guy's alignment. But pursuing it is a thing Robik isn't doing. + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2015 01:55 IAmRobik wrote: If you're town this game, kindly see that you don't fucking /in any game that i ever play in moving forward. I'm tired of your bullshit. you think I'm mafia every fucking game. You're wrong and annoying and you don't deserve to ever be in a fucking game with me. From this point on, I will not be reading or responding to any fucking post you make [redacted what i wrote because i don't want to be banned] I thought this post was genuine but re reading it its ridiculously fabricated. Why? Because posts made out of anger will never have "revisions" like "this was redacted because I don't want to get modkilled". It's completely fabricated. Even his argument that a game where we're together never moves forward because I scumread him everytime is bullshit. Last game we've played together I gave him a town pass day 1. I TOWNREAD YOU. And I am one of the most prolific players in TL. I know how to generate discussion. Student mafia V had a busy day1. It stopped moving forward after I died. [b]But the most important argument on Robik is that although he says he is pushing me, he actually isn't trying to solve the fucking game and he isn't trying to discover my alignment. I give reads, he doesn't give a fuck, he doesn't try to see where I'm getting them from. The only thing he does is saying I'm scum for bad reasons. Like these in spoilers: [spoiler] On January 27 2015 02:14 IAmRobik wrote: GB: I metaread Robik as mafia because he isn't posting. Robik starts posting GB: Robik is scum because: meta Why isn't this day over yet with mafia!GB lynched? On January 27 2015 02:35 IAmRobik wrote: I like Palmar...not for anything he's said or done, but because he made a string of posts atop the previous page that seemed townie to me. Plus, GB is pretty damn confirmed scum, as well as a bunch of other things that I'll get banned if I say, so like: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mMGYCT9.jpg) On January 27 2015 03:06 IAmRobik wrote: literally every posts of GBs today that I've read has been "sleep brb"..."showering brb"..."gym brb"..."beach brb" And the ellipses is "robik is mafia cause meta" On January 27 2015 07:30 IAmRobik wrote: Actually, would lynch this guy too. HOLY SHIT. I JUST HAD AN EPIPHANY. So GB and Onegu have both essentially done what Ritoky did in the previous game we played. GB is making lists with little substance. I didn't read all of Onegu's posts, but I remember one where he calls me town for being scummy. THIS IS LITERALLY THE EXACT WORDS THAT RITOKY USED IN THAT GAME IN HIS LIST POST: Bolded are the reads on me. Both of them end up calling me town because they know I'm town but do so after saying that I'm scummy. Also, GB's post looks mighty similar to Ritoky's, where he forces himself to include/"read" everyone. Also interesting that he spoils it. It might be confirmation bias, but I think that he expects no one to read it, which is why he spoils it. Like, who the fuck is actually gonna open 9 spoils. I opened the first one, saw his read on me, laughed to myself and then moved on. On January 28 2015 01:28 IAmRobik wrote: Whoop whoop! Throw another notch on my bedpost (i don't keep them for sexual conquest, just for mafia that I've fucked On January 28 2015 01:41 IAmRobik wrote: Were you making them big plays GB with that self-vote? Was that your grandiose plan this whole time? You're a fucking genius!!!! Oh wait, nope, you're just mafia who got scared about getting banned for playing against win-con. On January 28 2015 03:31 IAmRobik wrote: He has LITERALLY claimed mafia. What the fuck are you guys doing? [/spoiler] I didn't even mention his epiphany bullshit of me and onegu being mafia together then in there next page of his filter saying that onegu is mafia if I'm not. | ||
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On January 26 2015 11:32 IAmRobik wrote: You call me scum and have me on your scum list. Why aren't you voting me? You literally have me atop your scum list. Especially since your top scum voted you for being a hypocritical POS who is calling HTS scum...I vote HTS and you call me scum. You're not even thinking about the game. You're clearly just throwing around a bunch of names of people who you want to lynch and are noncommittal about any of it. Get Rekt Mafia Scum Starts suspecting me because I'm not making associative reads. + Show Spoiler + On January 26 2015 12:07 IAmRobik wrote: I think you're scum, so your "read" on him doesn't matter to me This is where I started to suspect Robik. His reluctance to read onegu striked me as odd. As I said I had a read on onegu at that time and asked Robik just to give thoughts, he just says I'm scum and he won't read what I wrote. Bizarre. If you have a scumread, you're probably give some thoughts at key posts so you can keep confirming of rediscovering the guy's alignment. But pursuing it is a thing Robik isn't doing. + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2015 01:55 IAmRobik wrote: If you're town this game, kindly see that you don't fucking /in any game that i ever play in moving forward. I'm tired of your bullshit. you think I'm mafia every fucking game. You're wrong and annoying and you don't deserve to ever be in a fucking game with me. From this point on, I will not be reading or responding to any fucking post you make [redacted what i wrote because i don't want to be banned] I thought this post was genuine but re reading it its ridiculously fabricated. Why? Because posts made out of anger will never have "revisions" like "this was redacted because I don't want to get modkilled". It's completely fabricated. Even his argument that a game where we're together never moves forward because I scumread him everytime is bullshit. Last game we've played together I gave him a town pass day 1. I TOWNREAD YOU. And I am one of the most prolific players in TL. I know how to generate discussion. Student mafia V had a busy day1. It stopped moving forward after I died. But the most important argument on Robik is that although he says he is pushing me, he actually isn't trying to solve the fucking game and he isn't trying to discover my alignment. I give reads, he doesn't give a fuck, he doesn't try to see where I'm getting them from. He isn't trying to convince the thread I'm scum, although he is hard scumreading me. I can't stress this enough. He doesn't search for others alignment, he doesn't gives townreads like he does as town. He just scumreads me without convincing anyone. The only thing he does is saying I'm scum for bad reasons. Like these in spoilers: + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2015 02:14 IAmRobik wrote: GB: I metaread Robik as mafia because he isn't posting. Robik starts posting GB: Robik is scum because: meta Why isn't this day over yet with mafia!GB lynched? On January 27 2015 02:35 IAmRobik wrote: I like Palmar...not for anything he's said or done, but because he made a string of posts atop the previous page that seemed townie to me. Plus, GB is pretty damn confirmed scum, as well as a bunch of other things that I'll get banned if I say, so like: On January 27 2015 03:06 IAmRobik wrote: literally every posts of GBs today that I've read has been "sleep brb"..."showering brb"..."gym brb"..."beach brb" And the ellipses is "robik is mafia cause meta" On January 27 2015 07:30 IAmRobik wrote: Actually, would lynch this guy too. HOLY SHIT. I JUST HAD AN EPIPHANY. So GB and Onegu have both essentially done what Ritoky did in the previous game we played. GB is making lists with little substance. I didn't read all of Onegu's posts, but I remember one where he calls me town for being scummy. THIS IS LITERALLY THE EXACT WORDS THAT RITOKY USED IN THAT GAME IN HIS LIST POST: Bolded are the reads on me. Both of them end up calling me town because they know I'm town but do so after saying that I'm scummy. Also, GB's post looks mighty similar to Ritoky's, where he forces himself to include/"read" everyone. Also interesting that he spoils it. It might be confirmation bias, but I think that he expects no one to read it, which is why he spoils it. Like, who the fuck is actually gonna open 9 spoils. I opened the first one, saw his read on me, laughed to myself and then moved on. On January 28 2015 01:28 IAmRobik wrote: Whoop whoop! Throw another notch on my bedpost (i don't keep them for sexual conquest, just for mafia that I've fucked On January 28 2015 01:41 IAmRobik wrote: Were you making them big plays GB with that self-vote? Was that your grandiose plan this whole time? You're a fucking genius!!!! 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On January 31 2015 00:52 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Palmar ....that did make me feel a little better. I can get behind that lynch. ##Vote: Palmar | ||
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On January 31 2015 00:44 IAmRobik wrote: I was the cop, and you tried to lynch me. You spent the majority of the last day I was alive sucking off DP who thought I was fake. I literally peed myself a little when I read this. I'm not arguing with you anymore, Robik. You're a douche. I like that you literally peed your pants. A condition like that suits you well. | ||
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IF YOU HAVE THAT STRONG SCUMREAD ON ME YOU HAD TO FIGHT PALMAR, WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T YOU DIRECTLY ADDRESSED PALMAR AND ASK HIM TO LYNCH ME? GAWD I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS | ||
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On January 31 2015 01:26 Half the Sky wrote: You and Lian are my two top scumreads. Clearly you aren't reading the thread. Vote me then. Convince the others. Why saying it like this and bringing no good reason to the table? That's so ridiculous HTS ARGH | ||
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TWO QUOTES. SHOW ME ANY EFFORT YOU'VE PUT INTO BRINGING ATTENTION TO YOUR LATE CASE ON ME. PALMAR SAYS WHARRGARBL LYNCH TOAD WHAT DO YOU DO? KEEP SILENT. YOU DON'T SAY "HEY LOOK AT MY CASE AND GIVE THOUGHTS" ARGH | ||
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On January 31 2015 01:34 Palmar wrote: GB do you consider me town? No, I consider you probably scum | ||
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On January 31 2015 01:41 Palmar wrote: It's just much easier to get people to do what you want when you act like you've got it all figured out. I remember my scum games well Now, who are the scum team? | ||
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On January 31 2015 05:31 IAmRobik wrote: Anyone can be with palmar. If I had to rank the order of who is with palmar it would look something like: lian > you > me > HTS > VE ....i'm missing someone but i don't remember who it is This is bizarre. Why even putting you on the list? By the way, how can you consider me as mafia with palmar while I'm voting palmar and after I called him out a lot in day1? I don't like associative reads, but the thing is that you're scumreading me for something you are actually doing. Why? | ||
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On January 31 2015 06:03 IAmRobik wrote: Like, GB, even when I act civil and answer your fucking pointless questions, you don't even care nor do you followup or do anything. Even if you're town, I'm gonna feel 0 guilty for SRing you all game and getting your lynched Lol I've just did it. Sorry if I'm not 24/7 looking at the thread. | ||
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On January 31 2015 06:31 IAmRobik wrote: Because I'm a realist and palmar and i haven't had any interactions that couldn't be maf/maf, but i put myself lower than you because i'm not mafia. The reason you're on the list is because I definitely considered at times that you two could have been executing a play where you fake martyr to bring it to 3 votes, he votes you to make it 4 and then you unvote to make it 3 and then decide to TR each other later on based off of a really poor explanation for how you were making a "play" and then you "caught him" and then that gets blown out the window. The reason why HTS is on that list above VE even though I TR HTS more than VE is because I just don't see VE/Plammar interaction being maf/maf. Do you disagree with my analysis anywhere? Yes. If you're town, the fact that you're town is the most explicit fact that your interactions with palmar shouldn't be mafia/mafia. You can't see things through an impartial POV when you're in the game. When I ask you things, I want your perspective, only, and not a fabricated impartial POV. | ||
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On January 31 2015 06:48 IAmRobik wrote: So take my name out of that list if you want. I think that HTS is the towniest person in the game, but that doesn't mean that I'm not gonna include her in the list and if i'm looking at it objectively from my perspective, i think that if palmar is mafia, she's more likely to be mafia than VE, even though I think that HTS is town. I can understand this, Robik. I'm just saying that I want your perspective only. Not an objective view of the game. I'll repeat the question and I want your view only ok? Considering I'm not town: Who is the scum team? How me being town changes things? | ||
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On January 31 2015 06:59 GlowingBear wrote: Ok. Now, supposing I'm mafia: what do you're of me voting palmar? EBWOP: what do you do about me voting palmar? | ||
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You think scum is basically between me, lian and palmar. I once thought scum was basically between you, lian and palmar. How do you think this scenario affects the night kill on night1? | ||
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On January 31 2015 07:17 IAmRobik wrote: You "caught" him. Then you TR'd him after his (pretty obvious) explanation of his spite vote. Then you came out today SRing him and me and then voting him with nothing beyond "oh he lead a mislynch and he feels off" That's not why I've townread him, Robim. And that's not the only motive I had to scumread him. I townread palmar because he unvoted me right after toad voted me. If toad was one of his scumreads, it makes total sense from a town perspective. If palmar was mafia, he could just let the mislynch happen. Also, if we both were mafia, I wouldn't call him out like I did before. You see, I started inquiring palmar's reasoning for voting me and he got problems explaining that. The interaction we had are really informative. Gonna find the page for you to read. | ||
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On January 31 2015 07:18 IAmRobik wrote: Eden was universally TR'd so he was killed. I don't think it's really something worth spending time on. Ok, we may talk about this on day3 if we both live until it. | ||
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On January 31 2015 07:32 IAmRobik wrote: Between there and pg 48 you talk to palmar once...maybe twice -.- That exact quote is good, and his anger at you calling you mafia or shit town was good, but like there was never really much back and forth. I remember there was the questioning, but I already explained that that plan could have been previously contrived. I will say that Eden dying over me is a strong reason to give me pause about you, but I don't think you would have any chance of surviving the next day if I died last night anyway No mafia motive to do that Robik, that's what I'm trying to say. Here is the thing: Palmar says that he didn't the day to end. But he votes me out of spite not caring if the day will end or not. Not caring if I was town because he says it's a policy lynch (easy excuse for mafia) Then I show him that he isn't that aggressive with that policy thing because he didn't want to lynch a martyr in another game He says it's irrelevant and dismisses it. Do you understand the damning contradiction about him? | ||
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FUCK YOU ALL I'M SO FUCKING ANGRY WITH YOU HOW COULD YOU FUCKING INSTA VOTE ON LYLO? HOW COULD YOU FUCKING HAMMER PALMAR WITHOUT NO READS AT HIM AND WHILE TWO OF YOUR SCUMREADS (ONEGU AND ME) WERE VOTING HIM WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU THINKING LIAN? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH | ||
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GlowingBear
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Ridiculous. | ||
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GlowingBear
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GlowingBear
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And I also was thinking about Robik But I would lynch lian ANYTIME. So I'm okay for losing this. | ||
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GlowingBear
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On February 01 2015 11:38 Half the Sky wrote: I should not have AFK voted though, the film was last minute. Should have unvoted before leaving. lian voted with you. It just takes one townie voting wrongly to a mafia win. :/ don't worry, though. | ||
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GlowingBear
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My phone was stolen today so meh. GG Townie played very bad in this game, including me. I don't know how to stablish my innocence or convincing people to lynch my targets. Gonna sleep. Cya. | ||
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GlowingBear
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I felt you were doing this, Robik. Fuck me for having second thoughts about you. For the way I was scumread the entire game I would never get you lynched, anyway | ||
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