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Good morning,
VE, if you are in thread, I'm looking through your filter.
At some point you scumread Palmar and voted him. What do you make of the way he pushed everyone to vote Toad (and ultimately hammered him)?
Through page 4 of your filter, it seems like you had decent to strong reads on Palmar (even if this was somewhat based on your own meta of him) and GlowingBear. I've been scumreading the latter mostly all game.
You didn't like Palmar's trolling, and then throughout the thread he kept yelling "kill Toad" over and over again until we eventually bowed to pressure with less than 40m to EoD. This behaviour continued pretty much all day until the end.
I could make the argument that both Palmar and GB's arguments regarding the vote traps were WIFOM, as (IIRC) GB tried to trap Palmar and Palmar tried to trap Toad. (Now we know that Toad flipped town.)
I'm thinking Palmar looks worse at this point especially now with the flip.
But yesterday I am having trouble even with the continuation of Palmar's behaviour you still scumread Liancourt over him. Can you rank your scumreads, specifying what makes/made one person worse than the other?
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give me a summary of why i'm scum
and a secondary lynch target
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On January 29 2015 02:10 Palmar wrote:
Most scummy thing GB has done this game was to drop the case on me. It was a solid case and I was convinced. Then he just allowed himself to be argued out of it
how does dropping a case on someone mafia? Unless it was a bus I don't see how this a good reason.
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On January 30 2015 14:05 liancourt wrote:
give me a summary of why i'm scum
and a secondary lynch target
Who are you talking to?
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On January 30 2015 14:05 liancourt wrote:
give me a summary of why i'm scum
and a secondary lynch target
Not sure who this is directed at.
My lynch targets are you and GB at this point, though trying to analyse a few of the others atm. For example, Palmar now is looking quite worse for once than he was. The problem is that GB isn't contributing a lot either in promoting a town agenda, and I know he's done much better than this in Carol.
I've voted you because all but one of your posts are not really driving discussion, a lot of evasiveness when Eden was in thread with you, a lot of your points were repeating things others said, and most of your posts were posting just for the sake of posting.
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On January 30 2015 14:11 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2015 14:05 liancourt wrote:
give me a summary of why i'm scum
and a secondary lynch target Not sure who this is directed at. My lynch targets are you and GB at this point, though trying to analyse a few of the others atm. For example, Palmar now is looking quite worse for once than he was. The problem is that GB isn't contributing a lot either in promoting a town agenda, and I know he's done much better than this in Carol. I've voted you because all but one of your posts are not really driving discussion, a lot of evasiveness when Eden was in thread with you, a lot of your points were repeating things others said, and most of your posts were posting just for the sake of posting.
well i'm here now lets drive discussion by why you don't think onegu is a centender for lynch
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On January 30 2015 14:12 liancourt wrote:
both of you
Just answered.
Can you tell me why you think Onegu is scum? Just filter dived you and couldn't sort it out. You argued why Onegu couldn't be confirmed town, but that is different than saying why he's scum.
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FYI Lian, I'm here for another 20m as I have to get sorted to go to work. But will work what I can in that timeframe.
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I see Robik has identical scum reads to myself even if ranking them different.
Extended thoughts on Palmar and Lian? I know why you don't like GB, and I didn't either.
Last night we did not have the votes to off either of Lian or GB at 40m to EoD, which is around the time Toad was hammered. I was quite miffed.
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On January 29 2015 01:50 VisceraEyes wrote:##UnvoteSleep soundly young prince.
On January 28 2015 13:45 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 13:41 liancourt wrote:On January 28 2015 13:10 Eden1892 wrote:
ugh please make it stop
this is like watching sandpaper scratch a chalkboard drying why are you so butt hurt? Did my ignoring you hurt your feelings so bad that you're acting childish like this? I'd like to play a game where we don't post petty insults at each other as much as the next man. I can play like a dick as I've previously shown in titanic d1 and last days of carol and nye. I've reverted to playing my original meta that I used in FFL, FFL2, and hearthstone because I actually enjoyed those games. I'm not being a dick here on purpose like i played in my latest 3 games, but why are you being a dick here? If you keep behaving like this I'll just vote myself or get replaced out. I'd actually like to play a game of wits instead a battle of dick smashing insults. Sure you can go aggressive but insulting and being bm is uncalled for. If you believe my ignoring you was bad mannered and it pissed you off I apologize, if you want to report me for ignoring you and you want to warrant a ban for it I'll take the ban. But if you want to play the game you need to get that prejudice lifted because it is doing you no good. This is my playstyle. I reread like this and comment on a post i agree on. You can scrutinize criticize saying it's a bad way to play and what not but down right insulting it like this is shallow and childish. I would prefer you refrain from doing these kind of actions in the future. Good day. I will come back tomorrow before deadline if i can wake up early enough. 3 people I'm willing to lynch today is onegu > gb > toad I don't mind you making posts one after another, but A) you aren't pushing your reads. B) your catch up posts have little to no substance C) then you just peace out This isn't town behavior, you are not trying to solve the game you are just trying to look busy.
On January 29 2015 01:50 VisceraEyes wrote:##UnvoteSleep soundly young prince.
On January 30 2015 10:14 Onegu wrote:
Look maybe I'm wrong on VE, and lian is my top scum read, but
A) I expect a strong town game from VE as he is the only player I have played with before in this game.
B) I dont like his reason for voteing lian and then he never gave a reason for unvoteing lian.
C) yes a lot of my thoughts are connections between lian and VE, so I think lian is the best lynch today anyway.
My vote stays on lian, as he has just tried to look busy and actually hasn't done anything worthwhile. If lian flips scum like I believe then VE is 100% the second scum.
@everyone please go back and look at my thoughts and case on lian.
Are you not reading?
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On January 30 2015 10:14 Onegu wrote:
Look maybe I'm wrong on VE, and lian is my top scum read, but
A) I expect a strong town game from VE as he is the only player I have played with before in this game.
B) I dont like his reason for voteing lian and then he never gave a reason for unvoteing lian.
C) yes a lot of my thoughts are connections between lian and VE, so I think lian is the best lynch today anyway.
My vote stays on lian, as he has just tried to look busy and actually hasn't done anything worthwhile. If lian flips scum like I believe then VE is 100% the second scum.
@everyone please go back and look at my thoughts and case on lian.
On January 28 2015 00:27 Onegu wrote:Ok let's look at everything liancourt has done in this game and see how it can come from a town point of view. Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 09:06 liancourt wrote:
gb was joking and i too was joking
but since it's first day I'll tell you this.
toad claims no one can read him. From my experience a player that cannot be read by other players don't play very townie. They mostly joke around and troll but through many many games they do this so even vets know that even if they don't do anything townie like giving reads or pointing fingers the other players will just let him be. One prime example of this case is Alakaslam. Many of you playing will hopefully know how he plays. I pride myself on reading him correctly despite him using chupazi and hijole. It's because I've seen many of his games and know his slight meta change in different allignments.
However, I have no idea how this guy, Toad, plays when he is town or mafia, and he goes far as to say he is unreadable. Well that really scares me as a player. To me it's like he was saying, "Guys I'm not going to do anything townie so that's that, but read me as town." His first relevant post he was getting pressure from his quick vote which the vote was a null tell. But his explanation is really omgus. He went and explains you say you can't be read so I'm scared of you therefore my vote. His only reason is to be scared he won't be able to read toad. Why does he feel the need to justify his quick vote with something, but also preface it with it was a joke post. He then follows this post up saying he is ready to policy lynch wtf?! But after saying that keeps his vote on toad saying he needs to see more, yet at the time toad had followed up with multiple posts with coherent thoughts and didn't look scummy at all. After this he gets pressure to unvote, but how does he respond. Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 09:27 liancourt wrote:On January 26 2015 09:23 GlowingBear wrote:On January 26 2015 09:19 Toadesstern wrote:directed at me? Null. Wasn't the same "I don't give a fuck" you had in yours, as well as being made after I told the thread that I liked your innitial vote. Sure I didn't explain why I liked it despite it being a horrible vote at that time but being the 2nd one to do something like that, especially after I point it out like that, is a lot easier than being the first to do it, so no towniepoints for that. So nothing really Isn't it odd that he didn't Unvote yet, and how do you think mafia would react to my vote on you? give me a reason to unvote. It's not like he has 3 votes on him so mafia can hammer Followed up by. Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 09:46 liancourt wrote:On January 26 2015 09:31 Toadesstern wrote:On January 26 2015 09:06 liancourt wrote:
gb was joking and i too was joking
but since it's first day I'll tell you this.
toad claims no one can read him. From my experience a player that cannot be read by other players don't play very townie. They mostly joke around and troll but through many many games they do this so even vets know that even if they don't do anything townie like giving reads or pointing fingers the other players will just let him be. One prime example of this case is Alakaslam. Many of you playing will hopefully know how he plays. I pride myself on reading him correctly despite him using chupazi and hijole. It's because I've seen many of his games and know his slight meta change in different allignments.
However, I have no idea how this guy, Toad, plays when he is town or mafia, and he goes far as to say he is unreadable. Well that really scares me as a player. To me it's like he was saying, "Guys I'm not going to do anything townie so that's that, but read me as town." I'm usually read as obviously townie by most people in the game, no matter if I'm town, mafia or 3rd party. I took like 3 mafia hits and an SK hit when I rolled 3rd party ninja/assassin in one of Palmars (?) games during night1 + night2. (LOL bulletproof) My most recent Mafia game was the shadow-vet game I replaced into for HF (iirc?) with Sandroba being lynched d1 and ending up one of the most townish guy for everyone except for the guy I got lynched on whatever cycle wer were on. We ended up winning that in a landslide despite Marv asking me to replace into an "already lost game" My most recent game as Town was the one that had 15 people divided into 5 cells of 3 where especially HF made it his best effort to put my cell first because it was the easiest one with a lot of people, including him and Marv, agreeing that I'm town. That's the reason I said I liked qtpi's answer to my first question in the thread. If she doesn't know me it makes perfect sense, it just doesn't apply to me but no way for her to know that. You're saying you get townread whatever allignment you roll. is this the same as being unreadable? If you do townie things whichever allignment I wouldn't call that being unreadable. I'd call that being a good mafia player. I guess it depends on whether I agree with your reads or not. Even if your townie, if I don't agree with the reasoning you're prolly scum. Right now you haven't really done anything as of yet so it's prolly null Now really read this post, he gives himself a out, he follows with oh your just a good mafia player. But if I don't agree with you reason you are scum. He sets up an out in this post to be able to easily vote toad at any time later in the game by saying yup you look townie but I don't agree with you reasoning so I vote you. Then if toad flips town he doesn't look bad. There is no reason why town make themselves outs. Comeon man. After this he starts only focusing on Eden. Making little jabs at him and setting up his unvote. Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 11:13 liancourt wrote:On January 26 2015 13:04 Eden1892 wrote:
Coming-down-Magic was fun but not for why you'd think it would be.
Anyway I am back and I ?hope? of sound mind and judgment.
I feel like my liancourt read was still pretty coherent. Maybe not in execu-- no, definitely not in execution, but at least in the logic. Let me try to explain it with a little more clarity of mind.
My play style was different from both games he's seen from me, and I was mafia in one and town in the other. At the very least he's obscuring the truth by citing Imperial as the inspiration for his read without making any mention of the fact that my play is different from the time he saw me play mafiasided. I feel like a townie would make mention of this and try to give the other player a fair shake instead of simply going "different from this town game therefore mafia!" while ignoring the equally-important "different from this mafia game therefore ???"
I also kinda felt like it was a cheap shot trying this kind of obscurantist read while I wasn't quite at full mental capacity, but to be fair it's not his fault that I decided to try new alcohol right before he gave his reads. Idk maybe it's unfair to hold that to him, but I felt like it was more sinister than a misunderstanding or error.
I'm gonna go reread but off the top of my head, I have the impression that Toad was town for a particular sequence of decisions: (1) intro post kickstarting discussion into (2) repeated attempts to question/probe other players for their positions while (3) demanding more scrutiny onto himself from other players. Mafia can emulate (1) just fine and regularly do (which is why I just called him a chill dude instead of something alignment-indicative), mafia have a harder time with (2) and especially with (3) - (2) because they struggle to get into a townie mindset and ask questions that make sense / are going somewhere (although it's not a huge struggle, it still requires effort, which is a harder threshold to achieve than you'd think), and (3) because they don't know whether or not they're actually being suspicious/not doing enough to be townread, and so daring people not to townread them so hard/so quickly can come off as tone-deaf with regard to how much a townie should suspect someone and backfire badly. (Imagine the sequence: "Why don't you suspect me?" "Why should I?" "...shouldn't you?" It would clearly indicate a guilty conscience on the part of the first speaker, which wouldn't automatically exist with a townie. Naturally it would never be that obvious, but you get the idea behind it.)
None of this is to say that he strictly speaking couldn't do any of what he's done as mafia, but that I think it would be far more likely for him to do it as town. So he's town.
I also feel like GlowingBear was townie but I don't remember why. Maybe I'll know when I reread.
Robik is suspicious to me because I feel like he's not really been very genuine with his posts. I'll reread to see if I'm right about this, but I remember his post about why he voted for HTS, and his post against GB, and both of them seemed illegit. The HTS thing was probably a joke so eh, but he says "get rekt mafia scum" or whatever when arguing for a kill on GB and it's just like... no one says this. Not even Robik says this. C'mon man.
I forgot Onegu even posted so we could kill him too. Palmar as well until he posts The part where you HARD defend toad kinda looks familiar to a certain game I played with you... On January 14 2015 07:51 Eden1892 wrote:On January 14 2015 07:47 DrParnassus wrote:
sicklucker please explain the loli thing to me before I have to go I'll do it instead since SL apparently isn't in an explaining mood. If lalalipop is mafia then the d2 wagons were mafia/mafia. Oatsmaster only went on a late tiebreaker -- Breshke switching off of lalalipop onto a 3rd party. If Breshke and lalalipop are partners, Breshke probably isn't on lalalipop in the first place and he's definitely not switching to a 3rd party and hoping for no vote switches; he's moving onto Oatsmaster to ensure his teammate gets saved or, alternatively, he's not moving to get that bus cred. So Breshke's vote move makes no sense if lalalipop is mafia, ergo lalalipop is town HARD defending your partner lala. There is literally no reason for town to HARD defend another town this detailed. Not sure if toad is his partner yet, but I'll keep my eyes open. Town should be scum hunting not hard defending other players. Everyone who has ever played mafia knows it's less stressful to call someone town than to call someone mafia. And eden here is doing the same thing calling me scum because I caught him and he is OMGUSing me like he did in new years. He gets called out for ignoring/misrepresenting edens meta, and his response is to respond something that is a null tell. It's like he is just trying to find something anything to respond to. And then he's like policy lynch again lol. Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 12:35 liancourt wrote:On January 27 2015 02:37 IAmRobik wrote:On January 27 2015 02:30 Eden1892 wrote:On January 27 2015 02:21 Palmar wrote:On January 27 2015 02:20 Eden1892 wrote:
Palmar, last game we played together you were town and got really pissed off that I killed off one of your townreads.
What are you doing this game to stop this from happening again, bearing in mind that (a) it's easier to do that in a smaller game and (b) a mislynch hurts more in a smaller game?
Other updates: Half the Sky is clearly town. I feel that Robik and VisceraEyes are probably town for tilting, but I have no mafia priors on VE and one from close to a year ago on Robik, so it's difficult for me to falsify either feeling.
Also anyone whining about drunk posts but not reading and commenting on the big post with reads that came after it is a donkey and should be ashamed. Why do you think that if another me got mad, that present me would also get mad? This confuses me. Sure let's unpack assumptions. I am assuming you are playing to win. You stated in a game in the recent past that you believe your d1 reads to be pretty good, particularly d1 town reads. Presuming you still believe this, and presuming you are town, it is curious to me that you are doing very little in the way of giving reads at the moment, because that runs the risk of one of your town reads getting killed. Even if you don't have town reads, you presumably will eventually get them because you want to win, and once you get them you presumably would want to make sure they don't die because you want to win. You are not doing this, so one of the assumptions above is wrong. Which is it? - You are playing to win - You believe your d1 reads to be pretty good, particularly d1 town reads - You are town WTF are you doing? You literally just said you think Palmar is town and now you're grilling him. Palmar will play the game when he wants to play the game and if he doesn't want to play the game then he'll sub or we'll lynch him I agree with this part "palmar will play when he wants to play" If he is indeed town he will give reads, good reads infact from the things i've seen in imperial. He was very right in that game, but got lynched anyway. But really this game he has been really...meh from the get go. His d1 in imperial was very decent and good and you could get town vibes off of him. This game...meh he just isn't interested in playing the game. Am I willing to wait for palmar to be interested in this game so he can actually figure out the game? i don't know, what he's the same on d2, we get nothing. From the teachings of koshi On January 22 2015 05:52 Koshi wrote:On January 22 2015 05:31 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 22 2015 03:06 Koshi wrote:Nha, Kels has a good point. You should have looked it up. This was lazy from you. I would lynch you over it as well on a blue Sunday. Or how does that saying go? Anyway. It's lazy play. Could be town lazy though. But you got to educate the lazy townies. On January 21 2015 08:53 liancourt wrote:On January 21 2015 08:46 Half the Sky wrote:
Also Lian, you threw out a townread on Vivax early on. What do you make of him now, after all he's posted? Trying way too hard too early town The only post in lian his filter that makes me hesitate lynching him. But tbh. Why not get rid of him? We are going to lynch him somewhere on the way. This liancourt needs more education than HTS. And we educate through lynching. When did you become a firm believer in policy lynches? I now lynch people I know will be though to read later over people that will be readable. Because I don't lynch enough scum D1. There is no guarantee of palmar suddenly starting to play the game and he will prolly remain unreadable like this so I like a policy lynch on him, but I'd prefer eden because I have a scum read on him. Lynchpool: eden > palmar. And the waffle in this post. He defends palmar but then policy lynch, but rather Eden for reasons that are null and misconstrued. Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 12:53 liancourt wrote:On January 27 2015 04:13 Half the Sky wrote:On January 27 2015 04:11 Toadesstern wrote:
Is he usually the kind of guy that locks on his target and just goes at it? Yes. Liancourt's town play in Carol (he was the veteran in that game) was a PERFECT example of this. He was criticised for not being convincing, he pissed away 4 cycles yelling at people his reads, particularly to lynch Holyflare but people ignored him. He was right but failed to be convincing. very accurate representation except i wasnt vet i only breadcrumbed vet so that they wouldnt shoot me. Well I'm not afking this game and just leaving my vote on eden. I intend to convinve town he's scum unless there are better cases that can sway me, but atm I don't see any except maybe a policy lynch on palmar, but he said he's posting a read so I'll wait for that. Then the post that was uber scummy, I just don't get why he is like soft defending palmar at this point. Palmar had done jack shit but troll in the first 24-36 hours and there is no reason to defend him at this point. He then goes on to the post that says he is confirmation biased. There just is no point it really is like he is just trying to look busy, and I really don't see any point to this post but to enflame Eden. It honestly says nothing game relevant. The rest is him not understanding me, but now please address my points on you liancourt.
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On January 30 2015 14:14 Half the Sky wrote:Just answered. Can you tell me why you think Onegu is scum? Just filter dived you and couldn't sort it out. You argued why Onegu couldn't be confirmed town, but that is different than saying why he's scum.
Simple POE
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So scum is me and GB but you wouldn't have hammed GB?
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On January 30 2015 14:18 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 01:50 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 29 2015 01:48 liancourt wrote:
does this mean i can't sleep? ##UnvoteSleep soundly young prince. Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 13:45 Onegu wrote:On January 28 2015 13:41 liancourt wrote:On January 28 2015 13:10 Eden1892 wrote:
ugh please make it stop
this is like watching sandpaper scratch a chalkboard drying why are you so butt hurt? Did my ignoring you hurt your feelings so bad that you're acting childish like this? I'd like to play a game where we don't post petty insults at each other as much as the next man. I can play like a dick as I've previously shown in titanic d1 and last days of carol and nye. I've reverted to playing my original meta that I used in FFL, FFL2, and hearthstone because I actually enjoyed those games. I'm not being a dick here on purpose like i played in my latest 3 games, but why are you being a dick here? If you keep behaving like this I'll just vote myself or get replaced out. I'd actually like to play a game of wits instead a battle of dick smashing insults. Sure you can go aggressive but insulting and being bm is uncalled for. If you believe my ignoring you was bad mannered and it pissed you off I apologize, if you want to report me for ignoring you and you want to warrant a ban for it I'll take the ban. But if you want to play the game you need to get that prejudice lifted because it is doing you no good. This is my playstyle. I reread like this and comment on a post i agree on. You can scrutinize criticize saying it's a bad way to play and what not but down right insulting it like this is shallow and childish. I would prefer you refrain from doing these kind of actions in the future. Good day. I will come back tomorrow before deadline if i can wake up early enough. 3 people I'm willing to lynch today is onegu > gb > toad I don't mind you making posts one after another, but A) you aren't pushing your reads. B) your catch up posts have little to no substance C) then you just peace out This isn't town behavior, you are not trying to solve the game you are just trying to look busy. Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 01:50 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 29 2015 01:48 liancourt wrote:
does this mean i can't sleep? ##UnvoteSleep soundly young prince. Show nested quote +On January 30 2015 10:14 Onegu wrote:
Look maybe I'm wrong on VE, and lian is my top scum read, but
A) I expect a strong town game from VE as he is the only player I have played with before in this game.
B) I dont like his reason for voteing lian and then he never gave a reason for unvoteing lian.
C) yes a lot of my thoughts are connections between lian and VE, so I think lian is the best lynch today anyway.
My vote stays on lian, as he has just tried to look busy and actually hasn't done anything worthwhile. If lian flips scum like I believe then VE is 100% the second scum.
@everyone please go back and look at my thoughts and case on lian. Are you not reading?
so its me and ve
what are your thoughts on gb?
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I'm town reading GB you obv aren't even reading the thread scum.
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On January 30 2015 14:22 Onegu wrote:
So scum is me and GB but you wouldn't have hammed GB?
yes because at that time I was actually waiting on gb to give his progressed reads. Now I'm pretty much done waititng and he hasn't posted any evolved reads to my knowledge.
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On January 30 2015 09:00 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2015 08:56 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 30 2015 08:49 Onegu wrote:On January 30 2015 08:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's not BS because it's the real reason I voted for him. And I DID follow up on it, it's what led me to end up finding YOU suspicious...through filtering him and finding posts by you about him. This is a lie you didn't follow up on it. The next time you mention him following up is when you call me scum for voteing him and my case. Then you make one more post saying you are between me and him. How the hell is that following up? How is it not? You literally just described me following up! LOL If anyone has actual problems with my play then I'll entertain this further. I guess my definition of following up is providing actuall content.
Looked at the difference between VE's reads and yours...
The way I was taught was following up on someone was asking them questions/pushing/providing further content. But that's my interpretation.
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On January 30 2015 14:24 Onegu wrote:
I'm town reading GB you obv aren't even reading the thread scum.
what has he done to be townie?
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On January 30 2015 14:14 liancourt wrote:
well i'm here now lets drive discussion by why you don't think onegu is a centender for lynch
I see an argument that Onegu's reads are contrived. Not sure if this is based on meta or just how people are reading it.
My overall impression of Onegu's play. Well, he wasn't really playing instantly Day 1, was checking in whilst he was watching the Pro Bowl. Robik even trolled briefly (before pushing GB hard), others had their own form of banter. After his initial list post, which I felt was vague, it's entirely possible he could have just filter dived Lian and caught something then and there.
The "scummiest post" in the thread might have been a stretch but not intentionally as I read through his filter page 2, and he's continually pushing Lian on various points with his exchange with Eden.
On January 29 2015 02:08 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 01:45 liancourt wrote:
Before I sleep a few of my thoughts.
1. Onegu not hammering GB when he had 4 votes.
This does not make him confirmed town. The argument that mafia "would have" hammered gb under the assumption that gb is town is invalid because mafia could have just as well not hammered to make themselves townie. Thus the argument is very much wifom. There are several premises for this argument.
GB is town. (assumption) The basis for this argument/hypothesis
Mafia hammers on town. (assumption) The general logic held by the players that mafia would definitely hammer town when given the chance.
Onegu did not hammer on GB. (fact)
ergo
Onegu is town. (assumption) conclusion
The conclusion is a fallacy because it's based on 2 assumptions. 2 dangerous assumptions.
2. GB self voting making him town
This also does not make him confirmed town. Mafia can just as well self vote. Self voting is not a town trait. The argument is wifom since both allignments can do it.
The premise that:
Self voting is town. (assumption/hypo)
GB self voted. (fact/truth)
ergo
GB is town (assumption)
The conclusion here is also a fallacy because the premise is an assumption.
Socrates is a man. (fact)
Men are mortal. (fact)
ergo
Socrates is mortal. (fact)
For something to be confirmed the premises all need to be facts, but every argument has been based on "assumptions" of mafia would do this and that. I will not let town have confirmed townies based on assumption and an argument that is a fallacy. I've seen it in carol and I've seen it on nye. Both times were on vote analysis and they were all absolutely wrong. In carol it was the 2 wagons on d2. Town assumed that the 2 wagons couldn't possibly be 2 mafia which they were. In nye scum changed his vote off of a townie to vote an outlier when the 2 wagons were town & scum. The votes were close iirc it was a 1 vote difference and scum instead of insuring the town ml took off his vote and voted for an outlier...The conclusion that followed was that the other wagon was not mafia because scum would have kept his vote on the townie. Well it was wrong totally. Other wagon was scum. These were all because of town's ASSUMPTIONS. Don't make assumptions. Make reads based on content please. Making assumption is the sure fire way of losing this game.
GB and Onegu are not confirmed town.
Town needs to read GB and Onegu w/o factoring in the self vote incident and how onegu didn't hammer. Examine them by content please. Don't make the mistake again I beg you. I have them as my scum, so please read into them. Also toad hasn't done anything distinctive and seems content doing nothing.
I will like to lynch into these 3 ppl.
Onegu >gb > toad
I will hopefully wake up before deadline unless someone else gets hammered first. Imma sleep now. See you tomorrow early and i can interact live with the thread.
Why the hell can't you make posts like this once a day. But the fact is you still haven't given a reason why I am scum. You give great reasons why I shouldn't be confirmed town. But I really still don't understand why you are voting me. It can't really be a sheep anymore as its only you on me. So I want your read why I am Scum, not why I am not confirmed town.
This above post I did not agree with Onegu, but I can't see a reason to actually scumread him for it. I already pointed out the flaws earlier in Liancourt posting this, as it's been repetition from what both Eden and VE did earlier in the day.
To be quite honest, Lian, GB and Palmar all look worse really than Onegu. Even if Onegu may not appear to be the most "wow" poster in this group.
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