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On January 28 2015 10:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ehhhhh...I think I like this the most.
##Unvote
##Vote: liancourt
Palmar feel free to elaborate on your Toad read whenever you get the chance. If I agree with it I might reconsider - I'm historically bad at reading Toad, so meh.
Lian is probably town, why are you voting him again?
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Robik is acting weird. His things about me scum claiming and me being mafia unvoting myself because I didn't want to get banned sound really forced.
But I think his anger on me was genuine so I don't really know what to say.
I remember scumreading him before.
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On January 28 2015 11:06 Eden1892 wrote:
Why the fuck do I have 11p filter d1. Fuck this shit.
Because u 2 qtie
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Eden, I'm reading lian as town because he had the same thoughts as I on toads entrance and he scumread you and pushed you like hell. He tends to do this as town.
There is one thing I'm weary of: he is actually not that confident or trying to get someone lynched. He is just applying pressure. But I still have a town read on him.
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VE toads progression into scumreading me looks forced. He called me town for a long time in the game. Then, when he came back, he made a shitty list of who should be the lynch today and voted me because he thought he was going to be lynched. This vote to survive was really bad.
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Onegu I didn't read your case on lian. I'm going to do that now
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On January 28 2015 19:16 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 19:09 GlowingBear wrote:
Eden, I'm reading lian as town because he had the same thoughts as I on toads entrance and he scumread you and pushed you like hell. He tends to do this as town.
There is one thing I'm weary of: he is actually not that confident or trying to get someone lynched. He is just applying pressure. But I still have a town read on him. I'm not seeing how he's applying pressure. His posting style just doesn't allow for it. If he's pressing me and I know the guy is liable to bounce from the thread and not follow up on his questioning me, why would I feel any incentive to take his questions seriously? I argued earlier about him tunneling me not necessarily being town, I'll have to filter dive myself because I'm an idiot who won't stop posting but it's in there somewhere. Toad is the better kill of the two but I really think they're 1-2 right now.
Well, he pressured you a lot.
But now I've just reminded that he did this catch up shit once as mafia. And he is just putting thoughts in the thread without trying to solve the game.
He may be mafia. I'm gonna read Onegu's case and read lians filter, then toads, and decide.
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Onegu, I've read your case and I think there are weak parts in it.
I don't think that he soft defended palmar an I don't think it is alignment indicative. I do believe that his policy lynching talk is bullshit, but it's not the strongest argument to call him scum. I would say that your case would make him null.
What makes lian possibly scum is the fact that he always argued that he has better reads when he is internacting with people. Yet he does this catch up posts which completely contradicts his town meta
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Why is people ignoring Robik at the first place?
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Ok something really boring is happening on TL mobile. It automatically opens App Store. C'mon. This is getting me angry
Ok my lynch list is between Toad, Robik, Onegu and lian.
I actually don't want to lynch onegu today, I would rather take another look on him.
Lian, can you address to this, please?: why are you ignoring real time interactions since you stated repeatedly in other games that your way of evaluating people's play is by having real time interactions? Why would you rather bring a lot of old stuff without actually making anything out of them?
I'm seriously wishy washy regarding toad. I'm afraid I could be tunnelled because he voted me. But his survival vote was really bad. It makes me think this again: would mafia be so obvious?
Regarding Robik, I thought his reaction about my joke post on him was genuine. The problem is that he is voting me since the beginning of the game without actually pursuing to discover my alignment. All he does is call me mafia for bad reasons but makes no intent to actually lynch me. He is just laying there, with a vote on me, calling people bad because he is "leading the wagon". He may have started it, but the main vocal person against me is HTS, who is actually trying to convince people to get me dead. Robik, in the other hand, just points out a post and say "OH YOU'RE JUST MAFIA TRYING TO LOOK TOWNIE" which is ridiculous.
My preferred lynch today is Robik.
##unvote
##Vote: Robik
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Please vote Robik.
HTS, final thoughts are: they are at least trying. Robik isn't.
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On January 29 2015 01:04 Palmar wrote:
kill toad
HAHAHAHAHA ok palmar, let's do this.
LEEEEEEROY
JENKINS
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##Vote: toad
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On January 30 2015 08:14 IAmRobik wrote:
Two things
1) 4 votes to maj today
2) please explain why GB is still alive
3rd unexpected thing that I just thought of, maybe GB is town since I didn't get nk'd (but that's just wifom)
Palmar, you're going to have to answer for your treasonous crimes at some point.
C'mon this is bullshit.
You've scumread me the entire game and now you wonder why I'm still alive?
Why, because I looked townie to you?
You're so mafia, Robik. I'm going to prove it .
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Sightseeing with a foreigner friend all day long
Tomorrow will be also like that
VE, what's your read on Onegu now that you voted me?
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On January 30 2015 10:15 Palmar wrote:
my bad guys
see you tomorrow
It cannot sound more forced than that.
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On January 30 2015 13:32 liancourt wrote:
gb lets lynch onegu
Yes
Why?
Why is him better than Robik?
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On January 30 2015 15:34 liancourt wrote:
GB - I expect better from him and I'm just seeing him tunnel on robik, but he voted toad for whatever reason i have no idea. I haven't seen any reads from him and he's just there going at robik who I'm townreading. Moreover, he's bringing in IRL reasons over and over again, I cringe at anyone making excuses, like i've said before, if you're that busy replace out please. It's like we're meant to townread them because they have a good excuse...nope.
Onegu - The little case on ve is an associative read based on the presumption that I'm mafia and that ve bussed and unvoted me. Lets not do associative reads, and your case is based on assumption....make a case that doesn't have an assumption in it. Overall poor case trying to make it look like he's scum hunting with an argument that is a fallacy.
I wanted to kill Robik but I saw it wasn't getting traction. After I started town reading palmar over what I know believe is null indicative, and after his determination to kill toad (like I was after holyflare on carol), and knowing I wouldn't be here, I thought I should sheep palmar.
I think palmar looks bad and that he is possibly mafia
I think Robik is mafia
I think onegu could be mafia, I'm not sure
I think lian could be mafia, I'm not sure
I think VE is probably town (his play looks like Avogadro)
I think HTS is probably town (too much effort trying to solve the game)
Am I forgetting someone?
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No I'm not.
I want everyone to give reasons why they are reading Robik as town.
If not, give thoughts on him.
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On January 26 2015 11:32 IAmRobik wrote:
You call me scum and have me on your scum list. Why aren't you voting me? You literally have me atop your scum list.
Especially since your top scum voted you for being a hypocritical POS who is calling HTS scum...I vote HTS and you call me scum. You're not even thinking about the game. You're clearly just throwing around a bunch of names of people who you want to lynch and are noncommittal about any of it.
Get Rekt Mafia Scum
Starts suspecting me because I'm not making associative reads.
+ Show Spoiler + On January 26 2015 12:07 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 11:55 GlowingBear wrote:On January 26 2015 11:54 IAmRobik wrote:On January 26 2015 11:49 GlowingBear wrote:
Robik, your read on onegu pls who the fuck is that and has s/he posted since i started playing? Nope, read the thread and player list please. Or you can just read my mind note on him, but you'll be spoiled. I think you're scum, so your "read" on him doesn't matter to me
This is where I started to suspect Robik. His reluctance to read onegu striked me as odd. As I said I had a read on onegu at that time and asked Robik just to give thoughts, he just says I'm scum and he won't read what I wrote. Bizarre. If you have a scumread, you're probably give some thoughts at key posts so you can keep confirming of rediscovering the guy's alignment. But pursuing it is a thing Robik isn't doing.
+ Show Spoiler + On January 27 2015 01:55 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 23:12 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, if Robik is mafia, we kill a mafia
If Robik is town, we get rid of him anyway
win/win If you're town this game, kindly see that you don't fucking /in any game that i ever play in moving forward. I'm tired of your bullshit. you think I'm mafia every fucking game. You're wrong and annoying and you don't deserve to ever be in a fucking game with me. From this point on, I will not be reading or responding to any fucking post you make [redacted what i wrote because i don't want to be banned]
I thought this post was genuine but re reading it its ridiculously fabricated. Why? Because posts made out of anger will never have "revisions" like "this was redacted because I don't want to get modkilled". It's completely fabricated. Even his argument that a game where we're together never moves forward because I scumread him everytime is bullshit. Last game we've played together I gave him a town pass day 1. I TOWNREAD YOU. And I am one of the most prolific players in TL. I know how to generate discussion. Student mafia V had a busy day1. It stopped moving forward after I died.
[b]But the most important argument on Robik is that although he says he is pushing me, he actually isn't trying to solve the fucking game and he isn't trying to discover my alignment. I give reads, he doesn't give a fuck, he doesn't try to see where I'm getting them from.
He isn't trying to convince the thread I'm scum, although he is hard scumreading me. I can't stress this enough. He doesn't search for others alignment, he doesn't gives townreads like he does as town. He just scumreads me without convincing anyone.
The only thing he does is saying I'm scum for bad reasons. Like these in spoilers:
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On January 27 2015 02:14 IAmRobik wrote:
GB: I metaread Robik as mafia because he isn't posting.
Robik starts posting
GB: Robik is scum because: meta
Why isn't this day over yet with mafia!GB lynched?
On January 27 2015 02:35 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 02:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Vote Palmar with me Robik. Quick, let's hammer him before he gets back. I like Palmar...not for anything he's said or done, but because he made a string of posts atop the previous page that seemed townie to me. Plus, GB is pretty damn confirmed scum, as well as a bunch of other things that I'll get banned if I say, so like: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mMGYCT9.jpg)
On January 27 2015 03:06 IAmRobik wrote:
literally every posts of GBs today that I've read has been "sleep brb"..."showering brb"..."gym brb"..."beach brb" And the ellipses is "robik is mafia cause meta"
On January 27 2015 07:30 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 07:18 Eden1892 wrote:Pop quiz time. Who can name something of relevance that Onegu has done this game?The answer key is below, please don't peek until you've guessed. + Show Spoiler + Actually, would lynch this guy too. HOLY SHIT. I JUST HAD AN EPIPHANY. So GB and Onegu have both essentially done what Ritoky did in the previous game we played. GB is making lists with little substance. I didn't read all of Onegu's posts, but I remember one where he calls me town for being scummy. THIS IS LITERALLY THE EXACT WORDS THAT RITOKY USED IN THAT GAME IN HIS LIST POST: Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 13:33 ritoky wrote:
finally caught up in the thread, don't have a lot of time because new years is a busy day in the ER; just gonna copy/paste my notes in the thread; sorry i can't be more engaged:
note - trying not to null read anyone from this point forward, list everyone as town or scum unless they haven't posted
koshi - his wording in certain cases seems like he is trying to appease (i.e. "TheChyz is not scummy to me. I am not saying he is a townread but the case Dr.H. makes is not how I read Chyz." and other cases of not saying people's alignment ex: calling me and drh meh), says needs something new and fresh doesn't make it happen. mafia pile
gb - did his "not reading the thread" shtick which he did as town twice before, done nothing else. town pile
*geript - start of game was town: jokes, prodding, pushing for answers, calling someone's case horrible. did mafia thing where promised information in terms of meta reads on people, hasn't delivered. dunno why, think this post is super town: "At some point yah. But I'd like to have a read on most of the people in the game. There's way too many inactives right now. Maybe when I reread I'll realize I'm being dumb idk. We'll see." could be wrong, look into again later. town pile for now*
artanis - asking questions, pushing for answers to his questions, him being "torn" about chyz seems a little odd not enough to worry now, but watch to see how that read develops. town pile
lazer - says won't lynch drh, then null reads me for essentially the same reason. makes not very much sense. has a torn sentiment on geript like me and skeptical of koshi like me. could be wrong, but read too strange. mafia pile
marv - supposedly great town player, managed 2nd page of filter while doing remarkably little. read on me seems lazy and inaccurate. mafia pile
^jat - bleeding town out of every orofice. town pile^
*robik - made it to almost 2 pages of his filter while complaining about not having time to play, could have spent time playing. promises to wreck, worth waiting until tomorrow to see because strong town player. town pile*
thechyz - posts seem incredibly honest...can't place finger on it. could be slight donkey, but really seemed concerned about thread direction. snap omgus'd drH, which seems more town responsive in the context. town pile
palmar - agree with lots of his reads, don't like excuses. town pile
damdred - has a non-lazy meta read on me as opposed to marv. pushing thread in productive direction and correcting others for misrepresenting people's arguments. town pile
*batsnacks - someone (look up later) said batsnacks has been playing differently. seems like same town batsnacks to me. could have bad read on him. town pile*
SL - bizarre play. seemed to be trying to defuse me and drH arguing early, has weird interaction where he demands i have a read on him, when i don't. formulates a bunch of random thoughts in regards to me not remembering previous game. no idea what he is talking about in the slightest. none of his other reads are formulated in a coherent way, done nothing townie. mafia pile
vivax - no post
*kels - evolving reads, when i was mafia last game with him had static reads that didn't change much of the game, currently his reads seem more fluid, probably town or got better at mafia. this was the guy who said bats playing differently, watch that read. town pile*
ritoky - town jesus
drH - guy contradicting himself all over the place. stupid policy crap, doesn't follow through. forgotten about it entirely at this point. no idea what he is doing. dumpster case on chyz, pot calling kettle black. calling out for hypocrisy not because he is actually scum. has largest filter, probably town unfortunately. is most likely donkey, be wary of his reads they may be bad. town pile
eden - town town town. giving reads unprovoked, not folding when pressured, commenting when unsolicited. seems invested in reads makes very good point about the timing of chyz's post and people exploiting it to get a read on chyz even though the situation had kinda already defused itself. town pile
*rebirth - "i'm here guys! notice me senpai!" into nothing. scum pile for now*
superbia - no post Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 14:22 Onegu wrote:
Ok GB is town mafia isn't going to post notes like that.
Toad is being thread mayor town for now.
Robik also most likely town, stupid for scum to come in and drop a huge dump in thread.
Eden no idea I can't read drunk people with a buzz myself.
Liancort mentions me and palmar but not VE. That's fairly suspicious to me.
The chick hasn't posted much worthwhile either, but that face palm was hella funny.
Palmar VE I miss you ok that is all I can think of for now
Goodnight Bolded are the reads on me. Both of them end up calling me town because they know I'm town but do so after saying that I'm scummy. Also, GB's post looks mighty similar to Ritoky's, where he forces himself to include/"read" everyone. Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 10:21 GlowingBear wrote:GB's 1st Mindnotes (disclaimer: this is something new I'm trying to keep track of my thoughts) 1. IAmRobik + Show Spoiler +2. Onegu + Show Spoiler + I don't like this post + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=6#102 because it just seems that he just posted to comment on something without having clear intention to discover alignments. Potentially scum. I also don't like this post of his + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#127 because he just says to me that the vote is horrible and that the opening is null. See, he is just commenting: he doesn't say why that post can come from both alignments, he doesn't try to understand my reasoning why reading Toad as scum and he doesn't have any conclusion on my attitude. He just... comments. Again, Onegu just comments with a single "lol" + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#139 . This is bad. 3. GlowingBear + Show Spoiler +4. Eden1892 + Show Spoiler + Too jokey for like 4 pages long. Could be scum. 5. liancourt + Show Spoiler +EXACTLY MY THOUGHTS ABOUT TOAD'S ENTRANCE + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=8#143 . Probably town. 6. Palmar + Show Spoiler +7. VisceraEyes + Show Spoiler +8. Toadesstern + Show Spoiler +I hated his entrance + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=5#95 because it's a lot of fluff with him saying that he shouldn't be lynched. Directly scummy because he arguing asking to not be lynched day1. Indirectly townie because "would scum be this obvious?". But then, he wrote this post + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#134 which sounded townie to me because (i) he had no reason to townread me for that if he was mafia, he could just go against me, and (ii) he had fair reasons to read me as town (in other words, he is trying to solve alignments by evaluating posts through mafia/town perspectives). Preliminary townpass. 9. Half the Sky + Show Spoiler + I hate this post + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=5#98 because Toads entrance was really scummy and giving a townread because someone is having fun can never be a reason to townread someone. Just look at Artanis play at Imperial, completely relaxed, and any Slam's scumgame. Felt like possible mafia not knowing how to interpret an entrance and saying it looks townie because her view is already tainted by her perfect information. INCONSISTENCY ALERT!!!! Say everyone but lian is leaning town here + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#140 but still haven't tried to figure out lian's alignment by pushing him yet. BUT thinks my entrance is horrible and puts suspicions on me here + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#125 Where did those suspicions go? Weird. Townreads so far: Toadsteem
liancourtPossible scums (in order): Eden
HTS
Onegu Also interesting that he spoils it. It might be confirmation bias, but I think that he expects no one to read it, which is why he spoils it. Like, who the fuck is actually gonna open 9 spoils. I opened the first one, saw his read on me, laughed to myself and then moved on.
On January 27 2015 23:56 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 23:53 Half the Sky wrote:
Both Toad and GB are picking on Onegu, the easy lynch. Toad is driving that push...hmmm. GB took him out of context. Hmmm. yes...onegu is only mafia if GB isn't.
On January 28 2015 01:28 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 01:23 GlowingBear wrote:On January 28 2015 01:21 Half the Sky wrote:On January 27 2015 23:32 Palmar wrote:
toad and glowingbear, you can just concede now, if you want to. GlowingBear, you realise I'm not the only one scumreading you, right? Oh wait, is that a scum I see giving up? Yeah, that is a scum giving up. Gg well played Whoop whoop! Throw another notch on my bedpost (i don't keep them for sexual conquest, just for mafia that I've fucked
On January 28 2015 01:41 IAmRobik wrote:
Were you making them big plays GB with that self-vote? Was that your grandiose plan this whole time? You're a fucking genius!!!!
Oh wait, nope, you're just mafia who got scared about getting banned for playing against win-con.
On January 28 2015 03:31 IAmRobik wrote:
He has LITERALLY claimed mafia. What the fuck are you guys doing?
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I didn't even mention his epiphany bullshit of me and onegu being mafia together then in there next page of his filter saying that onegu is mafia if I'm not.
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