[M][N]Hammertime Mafia - Page 4

On January 28 2015 08:32 Eden1892 wrote:

I wouldn't say highly likely, but the timezone differential is a good point. I think I'd rather kill Palmar though judging by his reaction in the thread to GB.

btw are you in Thailand? I thought I saw recently you posted that you were in the US

On January 28 2015 11:02 GlowingBear wrote:


Lian is probably town, why are you voting him again?

On January 28 2015 12:27 liancourt wrote:
i'm looking at pg 45 and the vote analysis is just...meh it's like total wifom. To bus or not to bus....to hammer town as mafia...having 2 mafia on town pre emptively...it's a really wide specualtion with so many different opinions. Unless someone actually hammers and flips this thing we're doing on pg 45...seems like a good way to make a discussion go in circles.

On January 28 2015 13:41 liancourt wrote:


why are you so butt hurt? Did my ignoring you hurt your feelings so bad that you're acting childish like this? I'd like to play a game where we don't post petty insults at each other as much as the next man. I can play like a dick as I've previously shown in titanic d1 and last days of carol and nye. I've reverted to playing my original meta that I used in FFL, FFL2, and hearthstone because I actually enjoyed those games. I'm not being a dick here on purpose like i played in my latest 3 games, but why are you being a dick here? If you keep behaving like this I'll just vote myself or get replaced out. I'd actually like to play a game of wits instead a battle of dick smashing insults. Sure you can go aggressive but insulting and being bm is uncalled for. If you believe my ignoring you was bad mannered and it pissed you off I apologize, if you want to report me for ignoring you and you want to warrant a ban for it I'll take the ban. But if you want to play the game you need to get that prejudice lifted because it is doing you no good.

This is my playstyle. I reread like this and comment on a post i agree on. You can scrutinize criticize saying it's a bad way to play and what not but down right insulting it like this is shallow and childish. I would prefer you refrain from doing these kind of actions in the future.

Good day. I will come back tomorrow before deadline if i can wake up early enough.

3 people I'm willing to lynch today is

onegu > gb > toad

On January 28 2015 14:40 Half the Sky wrote:
Ah, last question to all of you, being a bit newish here...

What does L-1, L-2 or whatever mean?

Cheers.

On January 29 2015 01:45 liancourt wrote:
Before I sleep a few of my thoughts.

1. Onegu not hammering GB when he had 4 votes.

This does not make him confirmed town. The argument that mafia "would have" hammered gb under the assumption that gb is town is invalid because mafia could have just as well not hammered to make themselves townie. Thus the argument is very much wifom. There are several premises for this argument.

GB is town. (assumption) The basis for this argument/hypothesis
Mafia hammers on town. (assumption) The general logic held by the players that mafia would definitely hammer town when given the chance.
Onegu did not hammer on GB. (fact)
ergo
Onegu is town. (assumption) conclusion

The conclusion is a fallacy because it's based on 2 assumptions. 2 dangerous assumptions.

2. GB self voting making him town

This also does not make him confirmed town. Mafia can just as well self vote. Self voting is not a town trait. The argument is wifom since both allignments can do it.

The premise that:

Self voting is town. (assumption/hypo)
GB self voted. (fact/truth)
ergo
GB is town (assumption)

The conclusion here is also a fallacy because the premise is an assumption.

Socrates is a man. (fact)
Men are mortal. (fact)
ergo
Socrates is mortal. (fact)

For something to be confirmed the premises all need to be facts, but every argument has been based on "assumptions" of mafia would do this and that. I will not let town have confirmed townies based on assumption and an argument that is a fallacy. I've seen it in carol and I've seen it on nye. Both times were on vote analysis and they were all absolutely wrong. In carol it was the 2 wagons on d2. Town assumed that the 2 wagons couldn't possibly be 2 mafia which they were. In nye scum changed his vote off of a townie to vote an outlier when the 2 wagons were town & scum. The votes were close iirc it was a 1 vote difference and scum instead of insuring the town ml took off his vote and voted for an outlier...The conclusion that followed was that the other wagon was not mafia because scum would have kept his vote on the townie. Well it was wrong totally. Other wagon was scum. These were all because of town's ASSUMPTIONS. Don't make assumptions. Make reads based on content please. Making assumption is the sure fire way of losing this game.

GB and Onegu are not confirmed town.

Town needs to read GB and Onegu w/o factoring in the self vote incident and how onegu didn't hammer. Examine them by content please. Don't make the mistake again I beg you. I have them as my scum, so please read into them. Also toad hasn't done anything distinctive and seems content doing nothing.

I will like to lynch into these 3 ppl.

Onegu >gb > toad

I will hopefully wake up before deadline unless someone else gets hammered first. Imma sleep now. See you tomorrow early and i can interact live with the thread.

On January 29 2015 00:45 IAmRobik wrote:

This is fucking wrong. I'm trying to get you to fucking lynch GB because GB is mafia. I don't know how much clearer I can make it. I don't have many scum reads because I have a shitload of town reads. Eden, you, Palmar, VE, onegu. Some of these are based off of posts. Some of these are associative reads. I don't think there's any chance that GB flips town, but if that happens, I also have reads based off of that scenario. I don't want to bring them up because in the offchance that that's the case, I'm going to be alive after his flip anyway and I don't want people acting differently than they have been based off of me lumping them with/against GB.

On January 29 2015 02:10 Palmar wrote:
Kill toad

On January 28 2015 09:36 Palmar wrote:

He's mafia because of many things, but the easiest point to get is the one I made regarding his stance on GB.

Also because he tried to use my list post to clear himself. (look I'm fingering the same people you are)

Also because he did something I can't remember but can look up at some point around the time I entered thread.

Probably because I think everyone else is town too.

Like I feel hts, ve, robik, eden are town. GB's gambit play is... meh (notice though, that he has basically done nothing with it except randomly call me and toad scum).

Onegu and lian are the wildcards. I think I saw something townie from lian at one point but I cannot be sure.

On January 29 2015 07:22 Palmar wrote:

I didn't have beginnings of a case on Toad.

I had a complete case.

Toad basically slowplayed into being convinced that GB was mafia after defending him. Then even after he said that GB might be mafia he kept going on about how GB was not a good lynch anyway etc.

Then when thread sentiment changed, and I called a few people scummy, he tried to play into the idea that he had actually been attacking GB.

This is just not what happened.

There is nothing else, there are a few other things that support the theory, but that's all you should need. This makes Toad mafia.

On January 29 2015 07:31 Eden1892 wrote:
Ugh we need to consolidate.

##UNVOTE for probably the 12th time this game.

On January 29 2015 05:58 Trfel wrote:
Untouchable Votecount

liancourt (3): Toadesstern, Onegu, Eden1892, VisceraEyes, Eden1892, Half the Sky, Toadesstern, Half the Sky
Toadesstern (2): GlowingBear, liancourt, Palmar, Palmar, GlowingBear, Eden1892, GlowingBear
GlowingBear (2): Half the Sky, IAmRobik, VisceraEyes, GlowingBear, Palmar, Toadesstern, VisceraEyes, Eden1892
Onegu (1): Eden1892, liancourt
Palmar (0): VisceraEyes, GlowingBear, Eden1892, GlowingBear, Eden1892, Half the Sky
IAmRobik (0): GlowingBear, Palmar, GlowingBear
Eden1892 (0): liancourt

Not voted (1): VisceraEyes

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is in . If no majority is reached before then, the day will be a no lynch.