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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 27 2015 13:11 GMT
#721
Untouchable Votecount

GlowingBear (2): Half the Sky, IAmRobik, VisceraEyes
Onegu (2): Eden1892, liancourt
Toadesstern (1): GlowingBear, liancourt, Palmar
liancourt (1): Toadesstern, Onegu, Eden1892
IAmRobik (0): GlowingBear, Palmar
Eden1892 (0): liancourt
Palmar (0): VisceraEyes

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is in . If no majority is reached before then, the day will be a no lynch.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 27 2015 14:04 GMT
#722
On January 27 2015 14:20 Eden1892 wrote:
townies do stupid shit and say nothing useful in their posts all the time



But my point about last night was he was doing a catchup and constantly giving non information on purpose. And I am fairly sure he was ignoring you on purpose just to fire you up. Combine these two facts and you get scum.
Try TL Mafia!!!
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 27 2015 14:26 GMT
#723
On January 27 2015 20:31 Half the Sky wrote:
Palmar you don't think Lian's most recent posting elevates his standing to you at all?

I haven't read it.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 27 2015 14:30 GMT
#724
On January 27 2015 21:54 GlowingBear wrote:
HTS I'm not ignoring your posts, I'm just not reading a lot from the thread yet. Sometimes I get a random page and see what's going on. That's all.

You're calling me mafia for things that doesn't make me mafia. You're too tunnelled.

who is mafia.

Clearly, by this post, you don't think HTS is mafia, as do you think robik is. Me and my bro VE are town, and in your world you must be town.

So that leaves

Toad
liancourt
eden
onegu

two of which were your original townreads.

lian/toad

so that leaves Eden and Onegu as the mafia team.

Eden isn't mafia, so.... onegu is mafia?

Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 27 2015 14:30 GMT
#725
##vote Glowingbear
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 27 2015 14:31 GMT
#726
Kill it with fire!
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 27 2015 14:32 GMT
#727
toad and glowingbear, you can just concede now, if you want to.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 27 2015 14:41 GMT
#728
On January 27 2015 18:22 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 18:03 Palmar wrote:
Eden is town

So this leaves:

GB
lian
Toad
Onegu

But then again I'm bad and idk.

The best argument against GB is that he attempted to create a framework for his thought process and didn't really follow it through. It is very tempting to create a framework for yourself when you're mafia "I am only going to read 2 people today", "I am going to do list posts and update them", because it makes posting easier, you just follow whichever formula you have supplied and no one suspects a thing! simple, right?

I can't remember why I think Toad is maybe mafia. But he really could be. The other two I haven't read that much.

if you take out my name from that list those other three have been the ones I want to lynch every since the last... 24 hours? ... what does that tell us about what you should be thinking about me?

This post is complete horseshit

On January 27 2015 15:54 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 14:57 Half the Sky wrote:
Sanity please. Good morning.

Took about 10m to skim through. Will post my initial impressions before I jet for work.

I'll look a little harder into Liancourt's posting, but I have some thoughts and some criticisms.

This post from Lian is making me reconsider a scum read on him. Here's why:

On January 27 2015 13:51 liancourt wrote:
@toad

I know you're trying to be the thread mayor and all, but I really expected HF/marv/koshi level play from you, but I'm somewhat disappointed...maybe I had high expectations of you or maybe you're holding back for some reason. It's like you're playing politics and moderating everything instead of pointing fingers and pushing things hard.



How many scumreads does Toad have right now? From what I can tell, zero.

This part of Lian's post is making me think that what if a (potential) mafia Toad could cruise on being so widely townread? It doesn't look likely at this point, but the fact that it made me think, and it shows that Lian has made some broad observation of a player relative to the entire game, despite Toad himself only having a three page filter.

I took a look at Toad's filter, and he seems to be in that information gathering/analysing phase of scumhunting, but if I don't see him pushing something/someone soon, I might just start to wonder. His first vote was on Liancourt on what I believed to be a pressure vote and then he unvoted.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still reading Toad as town, but this was a very provocative post by Lian and makes me think he's town for this observation. At the very least, I might actually move him upwards from my scumpile.

I'm one of the guys that figures out who's town and lynches into whoever is left, starting with the guy my stomach likes the least as I'm usually incredibly confident in my townreads. You're probably not going to see me make long cases about people being mafia. That mostly goes out to you and lian who said he expected me to be someone like Marv/HF... I even told you that I'm the kind of guy that just looks cute and everyone wants to cuddle :3

That being said, a walkthrough of my thoughts lately would be: We lynch into Eden / Lian / Onegu, preferably Lian or Onegu at the point of when I made my general list. Robik if we havn't won by then.

Right now I'm fairly confident that I don't want to touch Eden at all, he has been quite impressive the last 24~30 hours or so and like I already said I agree with that one point on GB you did, so he dropped in my list. So for right now it's between Onegu and Lian, leaning towards Onegu. GB for me is an option I'd be willing to discuss but that to me has the same value as a policy lynch because a potential mislynch on GB would be a disaster. Meaning if that guy ends up town we had the easiest votedump for mafia ever for d1. Onegu has that under-the-radar but not just completly afk feel to him I don't like. Lian I have to reread some because people apparently think he got super towny in the last couple hours?

I'd also like to add Palmar to the list because he still hasn't done shit at all but let's be honest here, he knows me good enough to know that I'd only be pressuring and asking people to give him one more day if push comes to shove. I've seen him behave exactly like this as town multiple times (I think? at least once), which doesn't make him town but I'd try to avoid that lynch d1.


On January 27 2015 08:19 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 08:00 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 27 2015 07:51 Half the Sky wrote:
EBWOP - what also struck me was people in this thread townreading GB simply because he seemed to be putting in the effort for his notetaking posts.

I'm mostly still townreading him for the vote on me that had a townish confidence to it to not give a fuck

About your case. I actually quite like it and am considering GB a null at best right now...
I don't care so much about your first point about him and your last point, but the second one about Onegu just commenting on the vote without trying to figure anything out when indeed he was confused and asked about wether it's a troll / mayor / lynch vote at just that time.

That could very well be painting someone red rather than trying to read someone.


the more I think about that one point, the more I like it actually. It is clearly showing mafia agenda, more so than any other case done so far, including my own reads that are all based on how people are interacting here because d1 is usually really hard to get some mafia agenda when noone has flipped yet.

I'd be voting him if I didn't want to make sure we get more time right now. There's still the lingering fear that he's bad and the easy mislynch but it makes me feel way better about this.


On January 27 2015 08:00 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 07:51 Half the Sky wrote:
EBWOP - what also struck me was people in this thread townreading GB simply because he seemed to be putting in the effort for his notetaking posts.

I'm mostly still townreading him for the vote on me that had a townish confidence to it to not give a fuck

About your case. I actually quite like it and am considering GB a null at best right now...
I don't care so much about your first point about him and your last point, but the second one about Onegu just commenting on the vote without trying to figure anything out when indeed he was confused and asked about wether it's a troll / mayor / lynch vote at just that time.

That could very well be painting someone red rather than trying to read someone.


On January 27 2015 07:15 Toadesstern wrote:
can someone restate the things that make GB mafia that don't boil down to "he's bad"?
I don't care about him being wrong with what he does. I want to see why doing what's wrong is more beneficial for him as mafia than as a townie.

Because I still only see him as the easy mislynch to be honest.


In fact I am much more sure on Toad being mafia than GB. But lynching both might be fine.

The point here is Toad is waffling so hard on GB that it's almost painful
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 27 2015 14:41 GMT
#729
Actually for now

##vote Toadesstern

Die scum.
Computer says mafia
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 27 2015 14:44 GMT
#730
On January 27 2015 23:31 Palmar wrote:
Kill it with fire!


You heard him everyone - two more votes on GlowingBear please. I already voted him, can't do it again.

Damn Palmar, I think you might have just nailed it. The reasoning is there anyways.

(And finally, thanks for getting on track <3)

100%

I had Onegu as #2 based on his relative lack of content, but still something wasn't sitting right with the fact GB tried to take his stuff out of context. They couldn't both be scum. With only 2 scum it wasn't making sense.

Still was that much sure of GB though.

Going to double check the rest of Lian's exchange and yours with Toad.

But at first glance I can see the problematic wording with his posts.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 27 2015 14:45 GMT
#731
On January 27 2015 23:41 Palmar wrote:
Actually for now

##vote Toadesstern

Die scum.


Alright, let me check the exchanges then.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 27 2015 14:53 GMT
#732
Both Toad and GB are picking on Onegu, the easy lynch. Toad is driving that push...hmmm. GB took him out of context. Hmmm.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 27 2015 14:56 GMT
#733
On January 27 2015 23:53 Half the Sky wrote:
Both Toad and GB are picking on Onegu, the easy lynch. Toad is driving that push...hmmm. GB took him out of context. Hmmm.

yes...onegu is only mafia if GB isn't.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 27 2015 15:00 GMT
#734
Lian's concern on Toad is starting to scare me now. Post-townread cruising?

On January 27 2015 18:22 Toadesstern wrote:
if you take out my name from that list those other three have been the ones I want to lynch every since the last... 24 hours? ... what does that tell us about what you should be thinking about me?


Deductive reasoning is a strategy that works in a situation closer to mylo/lylo. Not D1.

I also don't like this quote because he is discouraging Palmar from thinking for himself.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 27 2015 15:02 GMT
#735
On January 27 2015 19:33 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:
Do you think my concern regarding GB is irrelevant Toad?

I've never done that as mafia ever. I'm not even sure if "against GB" means "against GB lynch" or "against GB (being town)" with the topic being what it is recently.


And in this he's blatantly avoiding the question.

I also see where Palmar is discussing the waffling.

I'm going to check Toad's filter from the beginning of D1 now, just looked harder into his posts after I left for work. The posts after I left for work, they are all pretty bad.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 27 2015 15:05 GMT
#736
On January 27 2015 19:22 Toadesstern wrote:
Take a step back and look at it from my pov. I townread GB quite heavily 36~48 hours ago. I'm not just going to push that all mentally away and be like "well duh, guy has to be mafia". It's obviously still popping up in the back of my head and making me wonder where I went wrong because I have to figure this out... That just reflects my general idea that I'd like to postpone decisions like that for a day and see what happens, thus saying he's only the third for me despite all that.


I do not like how either of you and GB are disregarding the mechanics of this game. This is an instant lynch game. Postponing decisions is one thing in a normal 48h day cycle game, but this tells me you are hoping to delay it enough so that some easier lynch or person is targetted instead of whom actually should be targetted.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 27 2015 15:06 GMT
#737
Friendly reminder that if you have already voted, you must unvote before placing a new vote.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 27 2015 15:08 GMT
#738
I have literally never understood why the unvote is necessary, but ok

##unvote
##vote Toadesstern
Computer says mafia
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 27 2015 15:10 GMT
#739
On January 27 2015 21:54 GlowingBear wrote:
HTS I'm not ignoring your posts, I'm just not reading a lot from the thread yet. Sometimes I get a random page and see what's going on. That's all.

You're calling me mafia for things that doesn't make me mafia. You're too tunnelled.


Yes I am calling you scum for scum like behaviour. I maintain my previous position from page 19, you have not resolved it.

This is the first time I have ever played that I am tunnelled on any player. I generally don't tunnel people in any of my games. There is a reason I'm collapsing on you, and you are still ignoring it. Combine that with the fact you appear to be evasive and/or disinterested in solving the game, and I'm just becoming even more eager to have you gone.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 27 2015 15:15 GMT
#740
HTS you are weird and you say things that make little sense.

I like you.
Computer says mafia
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