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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 27 2015 14:09 GMT
#2737
it depends on how you read SL

if SL is town to you then vivax's vote doesn't seem that bad and Dam looks pretty bad because he just wasted his vote.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 27 2015 14:10 GMT
#2738
On January 27 2015 23:09 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 23:07 KelsierSC wrote:
alright , well like I said I think people should make up their own minds. I gave reasons why i think vivax is town , I gave reasons why I think damdred is scummy. I really think damdred should be the lynch but if others are confident that vivax is scum then they can vote him.
I think anyone who doesn't vote those two can be considered mafia at this point.


I don't think you ever said why you thought vivax was town. I asked you earlier and you said you weren't saying yet.


yeh i posted some things after my dam case.

let me link it
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 27 2015 14:11 GMT
#2740
On January 27 2015 11:10 KelsierSC wrote:
I just thought this might also be relevant as to why vivax is probably town. All this is hts d1.

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On January 20 2015 07:16 Half the Sky wrote:
What do people think of Vivax?

I don't like his reason for suggesting to vote Lian esp when Lian posted well before the game started (and Artanis said he couldn't post anything but popcorn).


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On January 20 2015 22:26 Half the Sky wrote:
Went through Vivax's case, and several of the points are weak.

I don't understand the Lian townread and HF scumread, I don't understand what behaviours make HF scum from what I've seen so far. Lian jumped from scumreading SL without an explanation and then a gut read on Geript (now Slam) because he was replacing out.

HF wasn't ignoring Marv. I think this appears taken out of context. Even HF said "undecided as of yet."

Too many associative reads this early, just isn't good.


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On January 20 2015 22:37 Half the Sky wrote:
Wile, Vivax looks scummy to me because he appears to be overreaching on his case.

Lian also looks bad because he appears to be jumping from person to person. He's jumped from scumreading SL, to scumreading Geript for replacing out, and didn't specify why he thinks Vivax is town.


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On January 21 2015 01:31 Half the Sky wrote:
SL - in general, not scum hunting
Lian - he called out SL, but then tried to scumread Geript for replacing out and then his read on Vivax was also out of nowhere prior to Vivax's large case.
Bats - generally I've found him a hard read, but what I've noticed this game is that besides a 50/50 read on Kelsier, he's not said too much.
Vivax - I couldn't follow the read progression from him townreading SL to then all of a sudden sheeping you two.


Also, this maybe personal opinion but I don't know if a mafia member goes to this effort for a buddy.

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On January 22 2015 05:32 Half the Sky wrote:
Vivax, here's an example indicator. A more developed read on Kelsier, I'd take a look at Trfel's case on Kels in Carol, and see how closely things align (or mis-align) depending on how you view it. Are you seeing the same jumps in logic?

On December 14 2014 06:06 Trfel wrote:
Ok, I'm pretty suspicious of KelsierSC.

The first real thing he does in the game are these posts, which I'm sure everyone is familiar with:

On December 09 2014 08:46 KelsierSC wrote:
So i have noticed something with this set up. If you are scrooge just claim.

On December 09 2014 08:55 KelsierSC wrote:
Ah ignore my scrooge comment i misread one of the roles

On December 09 2014 09:30 KelsierSC wrote:
So i think fecal is scum, we played a game together as town and early game he was very try hard, essentially Kush made a set up/mechanics comment and fecal went back to the setup, worked through all the permutations and then asked Kush to explain. Super town super eager.

this game i make a set up comment, then retract it and ff doesn't bat n eyelid. All he does is talk to slam about sumo. Which is pretty pointless. Like "herez an excuse nit to scumhunt" it doesn't feel towny at all

This feels really weak to me, especially now that KelsierSC linked the game that he refers to. I don't understand how he can possibly find Fecalfeast the slightest bit scummy for this. It feels like he is really forcing this read from nothing, while potentially identifying a stupid Scrooge (which happened...) and appearing towny.
On December 09 2014 09:12 KelsierSC wrote:
On December 09 2014 09:10 Holyflare wrote:
On December 09 2014 09:05 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm liking holyflare now, i didn't like his post about how he wasn't going to post, seemed like a good excuse to lurk. But he has backed it up with actual pressure.his pressure on nb is actually strong and the explanation is good. It also feels like town hf to me.





Do you know how I play as mafia? This seems pretty baseless if you do and even more so if you don't.


i saw you play town and this feels like town, I'm happy with the read for d1

Same with his early townread on Holyflare. Even Holyflare says that it is weak, and I agree. We've already established that Holyflare is really good at playing Mafia, and that makes it really hard to identify him. So no, a meta case that early into the game isn't very good. This post again lacks substance, and feels like he is making a read for the purpose of making a read.
On December 09 2014 09:51 KelsierSC wrote:
Hf, bats have you played with ff much? What is his d1 like normally?

This post seems to take even more force out of his meta case on Fecalfeast. Is it really a good argument, if he isn't sure himself what Fecalfeast's day 1 play is like?

KelsierSC and I seem to be the only two people who read batsnacks as town for the post he made on Half the Sky. (Since then, batsnacks' play has made me much more suspicious, but that isn't the point of this post). The weird thing is, KelsierSC read batsnacks as town because he agreed with batsnacks' post. The validity of batsnacks' post has since been shown to be very questionable, but KelsierSC hasn't changed his stance.

KelsierSC then spends several posts focusing on Alakaslam. Here is his explanation.
On December 09 2014 10:37 KelsierSC wrote:
On December 09 2014 10:33 Holyflare wrote:
You should also stop wasting your time trying to read slam and just try and make him interact with you about this game instead. He can actually play mafia and says insightful things.


I'm not reading slam. But the free town passes he is getting are good info.

especially people who call him semi town.. Wtf is that
Later, he goes back on this and says that this didn't end up working out. More words, less analysis.

His scum list seems to be changing without that much explanation. He says that he would happily vote 27nb, but doesn't include her in his lynch list. And his inclusion of Vivax in the lynch list for bad reads seems strange. Bad reads don't necessarily make someone scum, it is the intent behind them. And these reads are seeming forced.

Later, he comes back with a new post, and Vivax isn't mentioned in his scum reads at all.

The point about his changing stance on ritoky is also interesting. He puts ritoky into his town circle, then adds him to his lynch list, saying he has done absolutely nothing. His explanation of this is that he forgot he had him in his town circle. Shouldn't his reads be the same every time, even if he forgot all of his previous reads? If he was trying hard to make real reads, they would. If his read changed due to new information, that would be good, but the only new information he provided is that a few people scumread him. "I forgot" and "others are scumreading him" are not good reasons to change a read like that, he should at least investigate the case himself.

In conclusion, I would be happy to lynch KelsierSC. Moreso than Fecalfeast, anyway. Obviously it's not certain, but it seems better than anything else.

Now I will take a look at GlowingBear's complete case on Holyflare.





Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 27 2015 15:42 GMT
#2771
What I don't get is that you had oats as your top acum d1.

Now today he is sort of sided with vivax who you also scumread.

Yet you still have to figure oats out apparently. This doesn't make any sense to me.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 27 2015 15:45 GMT
#2774
If I'm in your shoes though I am convinced oats is mafia

That is what makes no sense to me
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 27 2015 15:47 GMT
#2775
Fine fuck you vivax

## vote vivax
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 27 2015 15:50 GMT
#2783
On January 28 2015 00:48 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 00:47 KelsierSC wrote:
Fine fuck you vivax

## vote vivax


Will you actually vote wile and bats afterwards?


Nope you are a spoilt child

Fuck off
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 27 2015 15:57 GMT
#2790
I've called damdred scum all game. He has got pissed about it, been depressed and unmotivated but he still comes back to the game, doesn't self vote, has good manners and doesn't call people shitters.

He is scum you might be town but I would rather play with him than you at this point. That should tell you how much I hate this self vote attitude.

So unvote, calm the fuck down and play the game.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 27 2015 16:05 GMT
#2795
On January 28 2015 01:04 Damdred wrote:
Vivax play the game if you are town, answer my case tell me hwo this game is different from storm in my thing and what not.

Wile and Bats could be scum but you have to convince the rest of the people.


Id you are convinced vivax is scum how can wile and bats be scum?
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 27 2015 16:08 GMT
#2797
You said wile and bats could be scum. How if vivax is scum?
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 27 2015 16:10 GMT
#2799
And if you think vivax os scum why do you want him convincing the thread?
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 27 2015 16:13 GMT
#2801
I'm basically 100% on this

##unvote

##vote damdred
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 27 2015 16:18 GMT
#2802
Yay Va is here
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 27 2015 16:31 GMT
#2807
Can someone post the current votes
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 27 2015 16:32 GMT
#2808
Lol vivax.

Make sure you unvote yourself
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 27 2015 16:38 GMT
#2811
Nice.

I was unsure which of wile or bats was the 2nd mafia but now I'm pretty sure its bats.

Dam bats last 2
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 27 2015 16:52 GMT
#2817
Alright I'm headed home so posting sporadically from here on.

My head is like this.

Two sides

Vivax&oats

Wile&bats.

I think team 1 is town. So my 2nd mafia is wile or bats. Both of them have damdred number 2. But only wile will vote him.

So damdred and bats is the team.

That's where I'm at. Could be as wrong as Humphrey belcher, who thought the time was right for a cheese cauldron.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 27 2015 16:54 GMT
#2818
Yeh I know bats being mafia relies on damdred being mafia but that's why I'm not voting bats so fuck you if you throw that at me
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 27 2015 16:56 GMT
#2819
SL.is slam
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 27 2015 16:57 GMT
#2820
Ignore that last post
Zerg for Life
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