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On January 18 2015 06:39 Damdred wrote:
So basically if LM comes back and does stuff you might rescend that scum read/suspicion.
And then when we drop to your next uspicion it isn't even the person you then pointed to (dp) it is instead two lurkers?
Also sure that's true about that previous post...but what about how you came flying out of the blue in the last student tmafia against bats with a huge case, even in the past newbie game you were halfway inactive and you still had pretty strong scum reads 24-36 hours into the game?
Just remember he was coached by me last game.
Just please have this in mind.
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By the way, damdred looks town. I don't think he would be this inquisitive against Trfel.
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On January 18 2015 06:47 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 06:44 GlowingBear wrote:On January 18 2015 06:39 Damdred wrote:
So basically if LM comes back and does stuff you might rescend that scum read/suspicion.
And then when we drop to your next uspicion it isn't even the person you then pointed to (dp) it is instead two lurkers?
Also sure that's true about that previous post...but what about how you came flying out of the blue in the last student tmafia against bats with a huge case, even in the past newbie game you were halfway inactive and you still had pretty strong scum reads 24-36 hours into the game? Just remember he was coached by me last game. Just please have this in mind. god help us
HAHAHAHA I'll lynch you for this.
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Gonna read the walls of post later.
ATTENTION LURKERS
IMMA GONNA GET YOU!!
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On January 18 2015 07:37 Trfel wrote:Why do you say this?
He is going against two vocal players, which is kinda a suicidal move for mafia to do.
The only motive he has to do this is if his partners are in danger and he wants to push a mislynch.
Which I doubt is the case.
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On January 18 2015 07:57 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 07:53 GlowingBear wrote:On January 18 2015 07:37 Trfel wrote:On January 18 2015 07:27 GlowingBear wrote:
War Waffle probably town Why do you say this? He is going against two vocal players, which is kinda a suicidal move for mafia to do. The only motive he has to do this is if his partners are in danger and he wants to push a mislynch. Which I doubt is the case. I suppose I can see this. At the same time, WarWaffle seemed to provide many more reads in the previous game. I know this game hasn't been going for as long yet, but there has been more posting here. And last game he had lots of time issues as well (I know he said he had some in this game, I think, but they should be less than last game).
It means that the attempts of having discussion going on were successful.
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On January 18 2015 08:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Guys I need to go get dinner but after dinner I think I got a good meta case on Breshke being scum so stay tuned!
O.o how come?
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OH HAPA IS COACHING!
This makes things easier.
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On January 18 2015 09:08 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 08:50 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2015 08:38 Trfel wrote:On January 18 2015 08:28 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2015 07:57 Trfel wrote:On January 18 2015 07:53 GlowingBear wrote:On January 18 2015 07:37 Trfel wrote:On January 18 2015 07:27 GlowingBear wrote:
War Waffle probably town Why do you say this? He is going against two vocal players, which is kinda a suicidal move for mafia to do. The only motive he has to do this is if his partners are in danger and he wants to push a mislynch. Which I doubt is the case. I suppose I can see this. At the same time, WarWaffle seemed to provide many more reads in the previous game. I know this game hasn't been going for as long yet, but there has been more posting here. And last game he had lots of time issues as well (I know he said he had some in this game, I think, but they should be less than last game). I am trying very hard to find reasons to town-read you this game, Trfel. This is simply untrue. :/ WW analyzed HTS' post and gave a list post on his reads Day 1 last game. It seems about the same to me, except WW actually questioned someone this game (LS). Considering there are still 24ish hours left for Day 1...dude, give me a reason to town-read you, please >< + Show Spoiler +On January 07 2015 04:51 TheWarWaffle wrote:
My apologies for the inactivity. I give no excuse other than the fact that my life is busy.
After reading the thread my current reads for the game are as follows:
The Shining: Town
The Shining has not posted all that much but the quality of posting changed drastically as soon as the game started. The Shining asks questions where they need to be asked and maintains a cordial aloofness towards everyone who is playing. No person is accused of anything without evidence.
Half the Sky: Town
HTS acts like a true townie. Says what she wants, when she wants to, to whomever she wants. At least, that's what she wants us to believe, but I don't have anything better at this time.
rsoultin: Suspicious
The accusation-train keeps on rolling whenever rsoultin is around. I find the similarities in play style to her previous games an indicator of deceit rather than openness. Rsoultin rolled Town in every other game she played like this, so why shouldn't she be Town now? I can't think of a better cover than this. Strangely, even though rsoultin admits that it's her "bias" to ignore inactives, she votes for me. This is strange for several reasons: I was inactive at the time she started my lynch wagon; she had previously agreed with my post on HTS; and there was no progression of thought as to why I was scum.
jarjarbinks: Light Town
Jarjarbinks' behavior sets off no alarm bells in my mind even though he lurks more than he posts. The posts he does make are normally short and succinct, and while many of his posts appear misleading at first, they work in the context. I think the only reason he is voting for me is because other people started the wagon.
Trfel: Unknown
As Trfel has posted effectively nothing indicating any affiliation, I must refrain from passing judgment on the hangman.
Gumdrop: Town
Gumdrop hasn't said much but from what was said I glean bits of Town. The reasons given for not posting more are adequate, and the type of posts implies a desire for something to happen, something the Mafia does not want. The posts that were made are logical and forward-thinking. A more Mafia-oriented lurker would post more misleading information.
Silverarte: Possible Mafia
The ease of which Silverarte hops aboard the bandwagon train is startling. Silverarte was leaning towards ExO_ and Gumdrop being scum, for the reasons of aggressive accusations and "posting and offering nothing" respectively. Somehow, both of these are forgotten as soon as she jumped on my vote bandwagon. For someone who admits she's new and even goes as far to use that as defense for gumdrop her voting for me makes no sense based on her previous actions. The previous existing relationship between Silverarte and rsoultin gives cause for the sudden change of thought, but even so...
ExO_: Light Town
My thoughts on ExO_ have flipped back and forth for some time now. Initially I thought he was town for being the only one willing to aggressively step and take affirmative action. After that, I thought he was scum for simply spreading accusations thin and putting a cloud of doubt over everyone, which is scum-like behavior. Though his disappearance is suspicious, it does not seem implicative.
-Celestial-: Town
-Celestial- maintains a consistent level of posts and explains his thoughts in a logical progression. I see no suspicious behavior, only a desire to understand and unearth new information.
LightningStrike: Suspicious/Unknown
I have my own reasons for being suspicious of LS, mainly due to the constant attempts to shift attention whenever the focus is on him.
Tubesock: Mafia
After looking at all of Tubesock's posts, I strongly believe that he is Mafia. His posts, while numerous, are short and always seem to detract from the conversation rather than add. Very few of the accusations presented by Tubesock are his; most are other people's regurgitated ideas. I think Tubesock's passive beginning was only due to the low amount of traffic it received, and that his "coming out of his shell" was him realizing that he could take advantage of it. Several times he has posted about the inactivity of the thread, which seems redundant when your very post makes it active. Tubesock only did this to make it look like he cares. A Mafia player wants there to be confusion, chaos, and distrust in the thread. Do Tubesock's actions create clear, organized discussion? I don't think so.
Currently, Tubesock has my vote. I'd like to hear other people's opinions as well. To me, that post seems much more comprehensive than the post in this game. I don't see your point. I could also understand where TheWarWaffle was coming from in that post, even though I disagreed with his reads. In this game, his logic doesn't make sense. He says that because GlowingBear and I did something towny, we have to be scum. Both GlowingBear and I have also asked questions and contributed to discussion (however effectively), so that is the other criteria he set for his townreads. Ignoring the early questioning, TheWarWaffle's play seems noticeably worse. It actually makes me tempted to lynch him, though as GlowingBear stated, coming in with two scumreads on reasonably active players doesn't make sense for mafia. He did go into an explanation for each and every player, it's true, but if you recall that was not terribly long before EoD and he was scumread by a lot of people for it because his reads were pretty wonky to most of us. You may not agree with GB that the post itself makes him town, but why are you trying to convince people that WW is scum? Are you scumreading him right now? While I don't agree with him on GB necessarily (I think GB has been doing a good job of analyzing this game) I can see where he's coming from just fine on the whole do something scum wouldn't do as scum to get townread. In fact, that should always be the objective of scum, shouldn't it? To not act like scum so they don't get caught? When I'm saying I'm scumreading someone, I'm pretty serious about it. I'm not scumreading him, but I do think his play is suspicious. Are you saying that his reads aren't wonky in this game, since I think they are (for previously stated reasons). I was able to understand his reads in the previous game. Of course scum wants to try and get townread. But doing a townie thing doesn't make someone scum. At worst, it makes them null. Except in extreme circumstances, of course. GlowingBear, how does Hapahauli coaching have any effect on your actions/reads?
Coaches POV affects players gameplay.
As I have a good grasp of how Hapahauli approaches a game, maybe I can get a townread from one of his coachees.
IF he is coaching town, that is.
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On January 18 2015 09:12 Trfel wrote:
I feel like the discussion has died down... makes me sad. But I don't want to do something crazy again, since I'm already being scumread by some.
I'll be out for a while, but then I will be back and hopefully have something to discuss. Again, feel free to ask any questions.
It's actually getting traction now.
But we can get this further.
What do you think of DP?
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You've just saw a wall from geript and had no problems with it, DP.
What's the big difference?
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On January 18 2015 09:17 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 09:14 GlowingBear wrote:
You've just saw a wall from geript and had no problems with it, DP.
What's the big difference? Look at the formatting. One is literally a wall the other is formatted well and divided into easily readable chunks. I also respect Geripts opinion ( horrifying I know) and give zero fucks about trifles opinion. That is the only difference really.
Funny, I find Trfels post easier to read.
I don't understand why you give 0 fucks to what Trfel types, btw
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It's weak. His filter length is okayish for someone who was lynched day1.
I'm not saying it is wrong though. I do think that the lurking is bad. But it is still too early to take this as a meta absolute
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On January 18 2015 09:42 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 09:19 LightningStrike wrote:On January 18 2015 09:13 DarthPunk wrote:On January 18 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote:The way that LightningStrike played the start of this game still feels really weird to me. His thoughts seemed to be all over the place and his posting was somewhat random (particularly asking for rsoultin). However, since then he seems to have gained confidence and seems more towny. Especially after glancing through the scumgame he linked (yes I'm aware I played in that game, I wanted to look at it again anyway). LoneMeow seems very strange to me. At first I liked his questioning, and I still do, but all he has done is pick on people for small things. The one read he provided was at the request of GlowingBear. I know that LoneMeow is a very good player, and provides a lot of content without using a large number of posts, so I will wait for now.... but I am a bit suspicious. I don't see why coolTLname is being scumread right now. He hasn't done very much, but I like the catch on Damdred's scumread of The Shining. I also like the analysis of jarjarbinks. However, coolTLname, while post count and mafia are related, there are many other more important tells. For example, TheWarWaffle made maybe about 6 posts in all of Day 1 last game, and he was town. Meanwhile, Half the Sky made many posts, and she was scum. The main point against coolTLname is how he waited for GlowingBear to vote The Shining before he voted. However, assuming that coolTLname really is new to TL, this makes sense, since it is reasonable for a new player to wait and see how the veterans react to things they bring up. I know that I did this in my first game of TL mafia, and still do sometimes (I wait to see how the first few people react to my case before I vote, in case there is an obvious hole that I missed; perhaps as I improve more and become more confident I will vote without waiting for responses first). That doesn't mean that new players aren't expected to stand by their reads, but it is reasonable for them to look to veterans for leadership at times. (he was modkilled, but I will leave this paragraph in here anyway just because) I generally like the way that Damdred and GlowingBear have been playing so far. Their analysis shows that they are reading the thread and trying to scumhunt, as well as generating discussion. I did notice that GlowingBear provided a lot of comments on posts in the thread, and I liked those. However, he also provided overall reads, but didn't show why he made those reads (they also didn't necessarily align with the comments he provided). The recent vote on Breshke is a continuation of this. However, I'm sure either of them could play a very capable scum game as well. Not a good Day 1 lynch. DarthPunk is coming up null. I have been waiting for more posts from him to provide more thoughts, but since he hasn't posted in a while, I will share my thoughts now. I do like that he picked up on LightingStrike's weird play at the start of the game. That was the same feeling that I got. However, he hasn't done very much at all except for saying that my opening made it seem that I am town. My opening doesn't really say anything about my alignment for reasons previously stated by geript, however the way I followed it up is more important (more on this later). For the record, several of you seem to be familiar with DarthPunk's playstyle, and I am completely unfamiliar with it, so that doesn't help. Geript's first post seemed a bit towny, and his second post seemed a bit scummy (it seemed like a poor use of a post when you are limiting yourself to ten). That's one fewer post to use to push a lynch later. Overall, geript seems fine for now, and is probably a poor Day 1 lynch. Rsoultin and jarjar, you two need to talk so that jarjar feels comfortable with Day 1. That aside, while jarjar's opening post is pretty horrible, he has given some useful thoughts since then. As for rsoultin, I feel that her play lines up exactly with (my knowledge of) her town meta. I also liked the questioning that she used with regards to my opening. Still, I take note that jarjar said that she is capable of doing this as either alignment. One thing I did find really strange is that rsoultin provided her thoughts using a Damdred quote. I have no idea why she would do this except to compare opinions, but she didn't provide any thoughts on Damdred (I know their thoughts on other players were side by side, but still), and it gave the impression that her reads were less independent.
I do need to clarify that based on how last game (Newbie Mafia) went and my postgame discussions with GlowingBear, I have been trying a slightly different playstyle this game. My opening attempted to generate discussion, and a relatively large number of posts were made about it (the quality of the discussion it generated is more questionable, so perhaps it didn't work out as I intended). The reason I pushed that (false) viewpoint was because I wanted to get as much discussion from it as possible, which I believe I did. As for providing less content per post than in previous games, this is a conscious change I made after seeing how last game went. Brief summary of my play in last game: there wasn't much discussion on the first day, and I was busy, so I didn't share many thoughts or put in the effort that I wanted, and then I died. My death provided absolutely nothing for town to work with, since I hadn't shared any thoughts as they were not anywhere near conclusive. This game I am trying to share my thoughts more frequently to prevent something like that from happening again. The downside is that my posts will not contain as much quality content as I would like, but I believe that I have provided enough content. Everything I say is there for a reason (in the case of the coolTLname paragraph, the reason is because I don't want to delete it; not always the best reason, but whatever).
With that in mind, I will answer geript's question. On January 17 2015 16:37 geript wrote:
3. @Trfel. Which, if any, of my reads do you disagree with and why? Additionally, are there any players or points that you think I've noticeably missed in my analysis? I (obviously) disagree with your read on me. I was intentionally being stubborn to argue with rsoultin and generate discussion, which (as I already stated) I think I was somewhat successful in. I was not so sure about your townread on LightningStrike at the time you made the post in question, but given some rereading and his posting since then, it seems reasonable. Rsoultin's play does seem towny so far, but he hasn't done anything that I couldn't see him doing as scum. I don't think that jarjar is a good lynch, however the reasons for that are mostly due to posts he made after you posted the read. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. This post is too hard to read. Less wall of text bro. These are the type of posts I expect from Tfrel when he is actively playing the game also he is also one of the best Case makers in this game. I think I have higher standards than you.
That guy is good. Don't underestimate him.
Anyway, do you have any scum read already?
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Oh, pupil!
You're gonna have a bad time!
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##Unvote
##Vote: geript
I love how you instantly scumread me after town-ish newbies starts scumreading me.
I bet you're mafia.
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I'm going to the beach but I'll be back before deadline.
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On January 18 2015 22:21 DarthPunk wrote:
do you really think geript is mafia for suspecting you? because that seems super retarded.
It's pretty clear that I said he is mafia not because he is suspecting me, but because he started suspecting me just when town-ish newbies did so.
As the veteran he is, it should be pretty clear to him that I'm not a good lynch today
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On January 18 2015 23:43 Damdred wrote:
I'm awake at work chilling and caught up.
Glad you read LS games, he's unlynchable for awhile at least. Meta stuff for him is like crack no matter how many times we say no bad he goes back time and again.
Not sure why be not reading your filter is that bad do, I just don't want to and can't make myself so a bit lazy.
Today I'd be open to lynching jarjar tr maybe GB but that's a bit doubtful.
WAIT
WHAT'S GOING ON????
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