EPTHmmm...I filter-dived ExO. Very very small filter, though I still don't see anything particularly scummy in it? His activity did seem to fall off some Day 2, but with 3 pages...
LS what is the main point of your case?
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Hmmm...I filter-dived ExO. Very very small filter, though I still don't see anything particularly scummy in it? His activity did seem to fall off some Day 2, but with 3 pages... LS what is the main point of your case? | ||
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So...that was a pisspoor second day and we learned pretty much nothing from it with everyone on LS -_- | ||
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LS makes good reads sometimes, but can't articulate them. Anyway, it can't hurt. Did anyone notice anything worth pointing out at all in how things went today? | ||
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Now that I've cooled down, don't think that pushing anyone blindly with our track record would be a good idea. -_- | ||
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Think I'll take a fresh look at things in the morning. | ||
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The argument does have some merit, but the problem is I'm already disinclined to believe Celestial anyway. I don't know that speculation on the balance of the game should be the deciding factor when a mislynch means a town loss. There are likely three scum. Celestial, if scum, can be disregarded while the others are hunted down. | ||
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On January 07 2015 02:02 jarjarbinks wrote: Singular posts that are suspicious to me (Ignore my lack of knowledge on the English language if you can!)- [...] Celestial-Exo: Small hints of collaboration. If I was mafia, I think the best person to estabilish my credibility as town would be Celestial. Have generally agreed with all of their posts. Both went after LS. [...] People I’m generally scared of: Celestial- Established great credibility day 1. Your writing style is very similar to a very established economist professor’s. If I was good at this game and was mafia, establishing credibility would be a top priority. [...] People I think are least scummy: [...] Exo- great prodder early day and seems to be flinging scum everywhere. I would try to do this as scum (I think I’d have a better shot at this over establishing credibility lol). I also like that he tried to generate others to talk more (I’m such a hypocrite). Plus, people have been suspicious of him. That makes me a little more at ease about not being suspicious of him just in case he truly is mafia. What is this? In your collaboration section it looks like you're suggesting Celestial is town. Then in the people you're scare of, mafia. While in collaboration ExO is suggested to be mafia. Then listed under people least scummy/i.e. most towny. What were you trying to say? To me it looks like a very convoluted way to null read them both. Or at least that you didn't really know your own mind. | ||
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Hitting a town would put town in no worse a position and hitting scum would buy town an extra mislynch. Waiting increases the chances of vig dying before the shot can be used -shrugs- | ||
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Does that mean you were deliberately making cases against 5 players just to make scum cases? I really didn't notice this before, but it legitimately looks like you were contriving the reads on purpose for the sake of making them rather than because you actually believed them... Not only that but you outright lied to me. You lied about having those cases made already, which makes it look like you wanted a reason just to throw one my direction. You lied about using your computer vs. your phone. You probably lied about your work hours...2200? No Lt in an office full of civilians crunching numbers works till 2200. Lie after lie. I don't see reads on Celestial or ExO anywhere really from you. That nullish post. Then saying Celestial is good at making cases (BS, btw, he stole most of the points on Shining from others and emulated your word diarrhea to say the same things on me he'd been saying while making it look like his case had more substance by sheer volume). Finally in your numbers which you didn't explain for people despite their asking you, you buried them in your town list. So LS' death suddenly makes ExO a good lynch? Auto lynch the player that the scummy mislynched towns were scumreading? Please tell me you at least attempted to evaluate his play first, and vet LS' case? | ||
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On January 06 2015 23:34 LightningStrike wrote: Good morning guys I just woke up. After reading the game that JarJar linked me Shining is just as lurky this game as in that game but that game in general was inactive so hard to say if it's meta or not. [...] Also since ExO and -Celestial- still think I'm scum but I think their inexperience with playing with me seems to show here but I will claim if I have to. LS posted this after Celeste's list post that ended with a vote on him, and before any of the posts you quoted. Celeste also sheeped ExO's reasoning for his own vote. There was also this post from ExO: On January 07 2015 04:31 ExO_ wrote: Okay finished reading. some quick thoughts: [...] Moving on to LS however: I think my original reasoning on him still holds. He's still playing this "oh I can't accuse anybody game, I'm unsure about every scum read" game. He asks questions, but I don't think he's getting valuable information out of people. He's polite and friendly sure. The kinda guy you want to like. But mafia isn't about being liked. It's not about lynching the rude people. It's about finding and lynching the scum. I don't think LS cares about that, he cares about slipping by. I think he's going to try a fake blue-claim if he gets a lot of pressure on him. There's my initial thoughts. There's a lot of stuff I need to look at more in depth, but after my catch-up read through I still think LS is our best lynch. Just talking a lot is not a good reason to let somebody slip by, and I highly disagree with the meta-(this is how he played town in his other game)-reads. We need to focus on this game here. If people think there is a better case than LS, please present it to me again. Or if theres a reason I should not be voting him today that I've missed. Because so far I don't see it. [...] So to answer your question, HTS...I think that LS misinterpreted Tubesock's post asking if Shining would disregard a hardclaim from LS as a push for him to claim, when Tube was questioning the statement in the above post. That said, ExO already sowing doubt on a possible claim from LS does give me pause, and blatantly saying that he might still lynch a hardclaimed blue...well, you already know how I feel about a move like that on Day 1. It seems like ExO was determined to lynch LS regardless of any evidence otherwise. Tunneling is not necessarily a scum trait. While I wouldn't say Tubesock looked like he was bluehunting at all (actually he appears to be questioning ExO), a scum ExO definitely could have been with these posts. | ||
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That said, I think that he does need to explain his equation. | ||
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On January 10 2015 16:26 Half the Sky wrote: Since a few of you are talking mechanics, I'm going to weigh in simply - I disagree with this (bolded words) because scum always want to maximise their shot for an NK. The medic by default cuts into that by 1/x, x being the current nr of players. In TL games, medics cannot save themselves. Therefore, a shot on claimed medic will be 100%. Blues are a larger threat to scum getting closer to late game. Up to lynch, there has been no counterclaim. Therefore, regardless of setup, if Celestial lives tonight, he goes tomorrow, end of, simple as. This post of yours concerns me, HTS. Much as I would like to say Celestial is a scummy scumbucket and too smart to screw this game...-shrugs-. He may have just finished his doctoral dissertation, but he's not a veteran mafia player and his logic, if town, has been questionable most of the game. He could just be new and bad. I don't think so, but he could. And I don't like an auto lynch in MYLO/LYLO. Flat out. If mafia has an RBer (and no we can't know for sure, just as we can't know for sure that there are 3 mafia, but if there are, one of each role makes sense) then it makes more sense to RB celestial and push an easy mislynch Day 3. I don't think looking at Celestial at all for a Day 3 lynch is worthwhile. Much as I'm tempted to vote him out of spite, regardless of alignment -_- | ||
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Probably should clarify that short of a cop check or no other viable lynch candidates, I don't see the point at looking to Celestial at all. | ||
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If mafia doesn't have an RBer, yes, I'd expect Celeste to die tonight. But otherwise he's a complete non-threat because he outed. That is why Celeste's move was so stupid. He neutralized himself and made it hard if he's really town to believe a thing he says. | ||
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Also, why are you exclusively focusing on who the dead townies voted for? Trfel I can understand. But do you think the lynch trains were started by mafia specifically because of who the dead towns were voting? I'm trying to follow your logic. | ||
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On January 10 2015 08:46 ExO_ wrote: I am. and at least for me, I think it's a sign he's scum. If he flips scum it'll be easy to see that scum all bussed him because they were afraid. And since he had a bit of attention on day 1 as well, I think it'll be easy to work out who might be scum. Compare this to day 1, in which we lynched a town. The votes where everywhere. It'd be surprising to me if all the mafia ended up on the same town wagon. On the other hand, if he flips town then this gets really hard. it could be that LS has had too much momentum on him all of day 2, but when Tube and I were both pushing Celestial nobody else even tried to get another wagon going, or jumped on Celestial....which now that I think about it might be revealing. Still, we'll have a much better idea in 15 minutes. Where were you going with this? You apparently had an idea that you failed to address after flip even though LS did in fact flip town. But all you wanted to talk about was game mechanics? | ||
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On January 11 2015 03:21 Half the Sky wrote: I'm not talking about blocking. I'm talking about the fact that if any medic requests a save on Joe Smith, and Joe Smith still dies, that he can deduce or infer that he has been roleblocked because his/her save obvious didn't go through. And? Not trying to be rude, but if an NK doesn't go through, a scum false claim will just claim being roleblocked, too. | ||
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Am I missing what you're trying to say? | ||
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