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lol LS I'm going to want to lyyyynch you if he's scum.
Ah. So it's the dead people's reads (reflected in their votes) that you're sheeping, JarJar. Not sure if that's a great way to do it, either, but at least you know their reads were honest so I can see where that's coming from.
(Frankly, LS, if it's between you and HTS she reads more town to me. You're making me want to lynch you more ><. But it crossed my mind that he might not be talking to me last night cause he had a role, so it's not a stretch that scum might have thought the same thing. Or he was just really townie. I mean, there's a lot of reasons to nightkill people.)
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Tube. Tube, tube, when has he last posted? It seems like he's been absent...
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Posted twice since the flip. One to apologize and one to explain.
Some people don't like to post during night phase, which I get to some extent. Still a big difference from his earlier activity. Tube, where are you?
Going to play with us? Input. Need. Input.
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EBWOP:
3x
I missed the first one saying WW should have claimed vet.
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HTS, you still here? I need someone to talk to who I'm not scumreading/feeling iffy about.
What are your impressions on the voting? I read your earlier post and can see you're not sure about LS or JarJar right now.
Something else came to mind as I was thinking. Why are Celestial and ExO mad at WW for softclaiming when they weren't voting for him in the first place? It's an idle thought but seems out of place from where I'm sitting now. I get the ones who were scumreading/lynching him being upset.
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Gonna be honest, I really wouldn't be unhappy with a Celestial train. My concern is my problem is his logic (or lack thereof) in my eyes. Wasted votes are bad, plain and simple. Some of the things he's said, like being concerned about being consistent, rub me wrong, too. I keep going...eh, he's new...but at some point that excuse has to run out. Maybe? I don't know ><
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Yes ExO we just kept messing up the formatting >> Formatting is my fatal flaw or something. Among others.
Okay, since you're here, why so pissed at WW?
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On January 08 2015 14:28 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 14:02 rsoultin wrote:
Something else came to mind as I was thinking. Why are Celestial and ExO mad at WW for softclaiming when they weren't voting for him in the first place? It's an idle thought but seems out of place from where I'm sitting now. I get the ones who were scumreading/lynching him being upset. Hey, here, for a little bit. Your second question, I am trying to think through. If WW claimed VT, that's poor because that helps scum narrow down potential power roles. Here I can see any town being arsed. But as a PR, from a fellow town perspective, you should be claiming when you're well on your way to a lynch. I did that in Carol, granted I hardclaimed in that one, but the point stands. People removed their votes off me or moved it to Holyflare, the alternative target at that time. Maybe these guys (in error) assumed that others would remove their votes if they hard claimed? There were a few who said they didn't believe him because it was a softclaim. ExO doesn't say either way from reading his filter and Celestial complained but I cannot find a reason from him either, not that I can see. Soft claim vs hard claim I can understand the debate, although you clarified how his call was appropriate post-lynch for his specific role. I could see someone assuming a blue role claiming too prematurely, like say D1, getting themselves killed, but this lad did not hard claim. Cops in particular are discouraged from claiming D1, but WW was obviously not cop.
Can see that, actually. Thanks. It probably will always feel off to me, but at least I can see how it could be genuine.
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On January 08 2015 14:33 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 14:02 rsoultin wrote:
HTS, you still here? I need someone to talk to who I'm not scumreading/feeling iffy about.
What are your impressions on the voting? I read your earlier post and can see you're not sure about LS or JarJar right now.
Something else came to mind as I was thinking. Why are Celestial and ExO mad at WW for softclaiming when they weren't voting for him in the first place? It's an idle thought but seems out of place from where I'm sitting now. I get the ones who were scumreading/lynching him being upset. I'm mad at WW for bad play. He has a blue role. but he's inactive as hell, and when he does post his reads are bad and filled with wrong information. Then he soft claims blue when he's about to die. I know I'd try to fake claim if I was a mafia and looking like the inevitable lynch, and that's what this looked like to me. So I'm mad that an important town player couldn't take the time to play the game, potentially fucking the rest of us over. I didn't switch my vote over to him because I didn't need to. But I was around at EoD and you better believe I was watching for last second shenanigans. If I saw people moving votes at the last second, I would've jumped on to the WW train. I still believe LS was the better vote. I still believe LS is scum now. But the case on WW was decent in my opinion.
I stand by the soft claim being the right choice for the vet. However WW was inactive and his reads were bad, can't argue that. The inactivity was why I voted him in the first place. Your anger makes more sense in that context.
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Maybe.
I still don't see the value in lynching a soft blue claim on Day 1, personally, while I could see it later in the game. But maybe that's just me.
The problem with any claiming in this game is the lack of knowledge of which roles are actually in the game :/.
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Eh, doesn't really matter that much anyway. I've mostly thrown out scumreads based on how I think town should have reacted there. Thanks for answering my questions.
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On December 28 2014 05:40 kitaman27 wrote:
[center]24 Mafia
Setup Information:
This is a semi-open set-up meaning that while all of the roles possible will be displayed the number of each role in game is unknown. All roles are not guaranteed to be present. The mafia team has one factional kp per night that cannot be roleblocked.
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EBWOP:
Yet another formatting snafu for you ExO xP
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That is not a bad post there, Tube. Trfel was reluctant on all the wagons, but didn't have a better option to present the thread Day 1. I still think he could have been targeted as a possible role...but I'm not nearly as comfortable with a Shining lynch as I was earlier because his play has improved significantly, despite the lying at EoD.
Also @Shining...I'm not really ruling out anyone on being possible scum based on a flip right now. I'm just saying I probably would automatically look to LS if you flip scum. Not that I think you flipping town clears him. His play troubles me. The main reason I'm not 100% sold on him being scum is his scum game (if this is a scum game for him) has gotten much less timid since the last time when I pushed his lynch.
Tube...you're talking about why you think Trfel was killed, suggesting that LS and to a lesser extent Shining probably aren't scum, but you haven't said anything about who you think is scum. Do you have anyone in mind?
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...you know, regardless as to whether you guys actually believe that I work until 6pm CST, you should at least not be surprised when I'm not in the thread during my stated work hours. ^^
Accusing me of lurking is kind of amusing.
If anyone has questions/comments (yes, I have read the debating back and forth) I will be watching the thread, but I want to actually take the time to look at things and think them over without interference. Tomorrow we have a going-away in the afternoon, so with any luck I'll actually be here at EoD this time.
However, since I can't be sure about making EoD, I want to take the time to really look at people (so many nullish/scummy reads right now ><) and figure out the best one(s) to put up for lynch/vote on.
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Okay. To be clear, Tube my friend, you are not really a town-read for me right now  You seem to think you're getting a pass just cause I'm not questioning you. That you appeared to be heavily tunneled is undeniable, and that would be the answer to any question I asked you. Thus I see no point in questioning why you were voting WW.
That said, your participation today, and really throughout the game, does seem towny to me at first glance. Your "tinfoil hat" theory is a possible one, though HTS is right that it is just one of several possibilities.
Mostly I just wanted to know what happened to you, since you were participating so much earlier but then seemed to not care to. Your posting today debunks that though.
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Lol, what would I ask you, Tube?
Why did you scumread WW? It's in your filter. Why didn't you pay attention to his claim? It's in your filter. Would you answer differently as scum or as town? Nope. This is why I'm not asking, and probably why most aren't.
Though I can ask and will ask for your reads...if you had to pick only two people out of all of us left, who would you lynch as scum? That's the answer I'm trying to work out for myself right now. ^^ I'll post here once I narrow it down and get my thoughts organized.
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On January 09 2015 10:35 -Celestial- wrote:
Also...of course...nothing personal rsoultin. Its just how I've seen your overall posts go. I know we've discussed it in bits and pieces over time but as a whole I'm still suspicious.
Anyway, goodnight.
Quite simply, if you knew that I said I didn't agree with an LS lynch on Day 1, then it should be obvious why I didn't change my vote to Shining when he only had one vote. Trfel, LS and Tubesock all were not responding favorably enough to my case to suggest a vote change.
You're right. We disagree. You think that leaving your vote on a complete non-wagon just to be "consistent" is appropriate. I think that trying to make your vote worthwhile and lynch the most likely option to flip scum is appropriate.
I had no way to know that Trfel would change his mind after I left. Nor to know that JarJar would vote there at EoD.
You can choose to believe me or not. That's your prerogative. Simply put, I will play the same way, and have played the same way in the past. I actively push for vote consolidation to try to lynch the most likely scum of the ones people are willing to vote. -shrugs-
You can continue voting by yourself if you want. Just don't expect me not to scumread you for it.
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Gumdrop, I need you to clear something up for me, if you can be bothered to join us here.
Were you around during EoD Day 1?
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Okay, Tube. I may start shooting questions at you sporadically.
You called Gum and Shining out for wasting votes at EoD. Why not Celeste? (I'm reading from closest to the lynch to earliest, so if you did so earlier, apologies in advance.)
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