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On January 09 2015 04:47 -Celestial- wrote:
EBWOP: I mean I could be missing stuff here. I've just gone over my notes really quickly and done a quick bit of filter diving on that whole period so something may have slipped under my radar.
Thanks. That timeline agrees with what I thought. Rsoultin pressures WW. Silver sheeps Rsoultin (I need to ask her about that more), LS jumps on for reasons about his mom.
You and I talked about how Silverarte could be mafia in her position being it's a super safe vote. But I think we agreed it was probably nothing. Maybe it's time to question her a little more.
I'm assuming that people are not really questioning me on my actions because they were pretty transparent.
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Also, I'll vote Lightning. But I should let you all know it's 100% fucking ragevote. I do think he's going to flip town.
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On January 09 2015 05:08 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 05:05 Tubesock wrote:
Also, I'll vote Lightning. But I should let you all know it's 100% fucking ragevote. I do think he's going to flip town. If you really believe that, it's incredibly poor play. And it doesn't even make sense. There's nothing to rage about right now. While I think he looks scummy as hell with his over-concern with appearing innocent and lack of trying to find scum at all, he's not being rude or anything. Explain this to me.
I'm mad at him for his poor play. His reliance on meta's, and his claim without any pressure. The cases on him are good, he looks really scummy.
the only reason I think he's going to flip town is from my tin foil hat conspiracies which I'm trying to not believe in. I'm having a hard time letting it go though.
If I were mafia, there literally is no world that exists where I nk Trfel unless BOTH Shining and Lightning are mafia. Even then, I would try to find another target for better disruption (I haven't actively looked for one so I don't know).
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I just can't find anything in LS's play that I can defend him with. This makes me mad. I also feel strongly enough in my theory that I'm willing to risk defending someone who everyone thinks is mafia. If LS flips town, then I think I have something supporting my theory.
If my theory is wrong, then I hope to God you guys can convince me of it. I need a little more effort involved than what was exercised D1.
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On January 09 2015 05:16 LightningStrike wrote:
Tubesock I'm town and I think with Celestial putting his vote on JarJar alone was extremely scummy and one member of the mafia in a game which I shadowing a player in pulled that move and was scum so I going off my new scum and also I had read ExO's case on Celestial and all for it.
I fully support the -Celestial- questioning. The problem with your assessment is JarJar is likely Mafia although a pretty safe vote at the time.
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This. This makes me fucking rage. I'm trying to fucking defend you. And you give me some bullshit meta which I've ALREADY FUCKING YELLED AT YOU FOR DOING?????
Who cares what you did in another game? You are acting so scummy in THIS GAME. That meta will just tell me you were MORE SCUMMY THAT GAME!
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On January 09 2015 05:28 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 05:11 -Celestial- wrote:On January 09 2015 04:59 ExO_ wrote:On January 08 2015 23:07 -Celestial- wrote:
If you actually check my posts you'd see I was already calling LS out with my original set of reads BEFORE you posted something to really set me off on that path; so no, it wasn't just you.
This is a lie Celestial. Saying he's posting fluff and then giving him town credit is not calling him out. You didn't say anything significant against him until I made my big post. This isn't altering the timeline of events, nor is it misquoting you. It's trying to get credit for FoSing someone you didn't. I'm not letting you slip by with that. Do I seriously have to spell this out? Ok THIS was the first thing I posted on LS: LightningStrike just posted fluff and comments on other people's posts so far. Not really sure what to make of that honestly. Translation: I'm weirded out by his posting. Whilst I was writing that he posted something which changed my mind somewhat, leading me to edit with this: Edit: LS posted as I was writing this. Last post was pretty good in my opinion, some credit there. Still don't want to make a call on him though. Neutral for now. To explicitly spell this out: I didn't like his early junk and pointed it out as being weird, then he posted a good post which made me lean away from suspicion somewhat. No, I didn't post anything "significant" against him because I didn't HAVE anything significant. What I HAD was doubt, which I highlighted in my first post before he posted something that made me less inclined to believe in that doubt, but it did not eliminate it which is why I explicitly said he was a null read rather than leaning town. I notice you're no longer commenting on the later parts of this story. Is that because the stuff you're making up no longer fits then? Again, why are you twisting what happened to make up a story? You appear to be wanting to try to make my reads a lot more extreme than they were. The only lies here are a result of your creative interpreting. I don't know what to say. I don't think saying he was posting fluff is expressing any significant amount of doubt. This means that you were not suspicious of him, and didn't really express it until after I did. You backed off of LS after I left the thread for a while, and didn't get back on to him until 6 posts and 12 minutes after I showed that his current playstyle (everybody's town) matched what he did in a mafia game. Regardless whether or not you used my reasoning or your own, this is the timeline that happened. Two times after I went after LS, you followed it up. You claim the 2nd time was for different reasoning. Okay, I could see that. But then I'm asking myself, why would you lie about the initial suspicion? I don't think your first post demonstrated suspicion of LS at all. I'm significantly more convinced LS is scum than you. But I think you did lie, or at least heavily overrepresented your initial suspicion of LS.
To -Celestial-:
Lies and such aside. I think part of ExO's point is you haven't really stuck your neck out for any read. I'd love to see you cash in some of this town cred you have and really force-ably push a case. You have to have more than 1 scum read. LS is an easy lynch. Building a case on him is a waste of time and shows no risk.
You decided to stay off a main wagon and park on JarJar. Build your case. He's pretty scummy.
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Lightning. READ THE BOLD:
On January 09 2015 05:28 Tubesock wrote:This. This makes me fucking rage. I'm trying to fucking defend you. And you give me some bullshit meta which I've ALREADY FUCKING YELLED AT YOU FOR DOING????? Who cares what you did in another game? You are acting so scummy in THIS GAME. That meta will just tell me you were MORE SCUMMY THAT GAME!
Did you read my last long post about night kills? Did you somehow miss how I'm pushing that YOU and Shining ARE TOWN???
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On January 09 2015 05:43 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 05:28 ExO_ wrote:On January 09 2015 05:11 -Celestial- wrote:On January 09 2015 04:59 ExO_ wrote:On January 08 2015 23:07 -Celestial- wrote:
If you actually check my posts you'd see I was already calling LS out with my original set of reads BEFORE you posted something to really set me off on that path; so no, it wasn't just you.
This is a lie Celestial. Saying he's posting fluff and then giving him town credit is not calling him out. You didn't say anything significant against him until I made my big post. This isn't altering the timeline of events, nor is it misquoting you. It's trying to get credit for FoSing someone you didn't. I'm not letting you slip by with that. Do I seriously have to spell this out? Ok THIS was the first thing I posted on LS: LightningStrike just posted fluff and comments on other people's posts so far. Not really sure what to make of that honestly. Translation: I'm weirded out by his posting. Whilst I was writing that he posted something which changed my mind somewhat, leading me to edit with this: Edit: LS posted as I was writing this. Last post was pretty good in my opinion, some credit there. Still don't want to make a call on him though. Neutral for now. To explicitly spell this out: I didn't like his early junk and pointed it out as being weird, then he posted a good post which made me lean away from suspicion somewhat. No, I didn't post anything "significant" against him because I didn't HAVE anything significant. What I HAD was doubt, which I highlighted in my first post before he posted something that made me less inclined to believe in that doubt, but it did not eliminate it which is why I explicitly said he was a null read rather than leaning town. I notice you're no longer commenting on the later parts of this story. Is that because the stuff you're making up no longer fits then? Again, why are you twisting what happened to make up a story? You appear to be wanting to try to make my reads a lot more extreme than they were. The only lies here are a result of your creative interpreting. I don't know what to say. I don't think saying he was posting fluff is expressing any significant amount of doubt. This means that you were not suspicious of him, and didn't really express it until after I did. You backed off of LS after I left the thread for a while, and didn't get back on to him until 6 posts and 12 minutes after I showed that his current playstyle (everybody's town) matched what he did in a mafia game. Regardless whether or not you used my reasoning or your own, this is the timeline that happened. Two times after I went after LS, you followed it up. You claim the 2nd time was for different reasoning. Okay, I could see that. But then I'm asking myself, why would you lie about the initial suspicion? I don't think your first post demonstrated suspicion of LS at all. I'm significantly more convinced LS is scum than you. But I think you did lie, or at least heavily overrepresented your initial suspicion of LS. My original post was intended to imply doubt in LS. I'm sorry if it didn't come across that way. In essence I wanted LS to post more of substance because at that point to me it looked suspiciously like LS was deliberately avoiding doing so, which I disliked. The key sentence was: "Not really sure what to make of that honestly." Which was intended to be a prod in LS' direction saying "I don't like your posting, convince me you're town". Call me describing it that way as "overrepresenting" it if you wish, but I didn't outright lie here. -_-
I don't agree with ExO that you are lying. Your story more or less lines up with what I kinda think happened. I reread a few times. What stuck out to me, is you haven't stuck your neck out with any strong reads. Even now you are waffling on JarJar. Both you and I agreed on JarJar pre-Tubesockjihad on Warwaffle. I'm still not reading Jarjar as town, but I'm concentrating on other things which I've stated.
I don't care who you push, I want to see some strong reads which you stand by. I firmly believe there is enough evidence and content in this game to do that.
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Silverarte.
This is past the point in the game were list posts are acceptable content. Build a case please. Give us content.
Gumdrop.
If you don't start bleeding town the TubesockJihad will be aimed at you Day 3.
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*where list posts are acceptable
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On January 09 2015 06:34 LightningStrike wrote:
I willing to listen if you give me a question about the night post because I seeing that you think me and Shining not scum but that all I got out of it if you wondering if I did read it.
If that is seriously all you got out of it, you have nothing that I want.
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On January 09 2015 06:38 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 06:38 Tubesock wrote:On January 09 2015 06:34 LightningStrike wrote:
I willing to listen if you give me a question about the night post because I seeing that you think me and Shining not scum but that all I got out of it if you wondering if I did read it. If that is seriously all you got out of it, you have nothing that I want. Okay what you want?
Someone who actually thinks about my posts for one.
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If anyone has questions, I'm around for several hours. At least till HTS and/or Rsoultin arrive.
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On January 09 2015 07:06 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 07:04 ExO_ wrote:
@Celestial why do you think mafia NKed trfel? Just a sec I'm writing up a complete filter dive on LS because tube wanted a full analysis from me on my best target.
I was actually hoping you'd go after a more difficult target. The LS case is pretty much closed. I'm the only one defending him, and I have nothing but a tinfoil hat conspiracy.
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On January 09 2015 07:09 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 07:08 Tubesock wrote:On January 09 2015 07:06 -Celestial- wrote:On January 09 2015 07:04 ExO_ wrote:
@Celestial why do you think mafia NKed trfel? Just a sec I'm writing up a complete filter dive on LS because tube wanted a full analysis from me on my best target. I was actually hoping you'd go after a more difficult target. The LS case is pretty much closed. I'm the only one defending him, and I have nothing but a tinfoil hat conspiracy. Well what is your tinfoil hat conspiracy? I'm sure everyone will listen to you since everyone is town reading you clearly.
I hope to God you are the only one in this game that doesn't know what I'm referring to.
ANYONE outside of LS, if you don't know what I'm referring to...YOU FUCKING NEED TO ASK ME.
LS, you are clearly showing you are not reading, nor thinking about this game or anything that I am saying or doing. Filter dive me. Read my pages that start N1.
For fucks sakes man.
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On January 09 2015 07:13 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 07:08 Tubesock wrote:On January 09 2015 07:06 -Celestial- wrote:On January 09 2015 07:04 ExO_ wrote:
@Celestial why do you think mafia NKed trfel? Just a sec I'm writing up a complete filter dive on LS because tube wanted a full analysis from me on my best target. I was actually hoping you'd go after a more difficult target. The LS case is pretty much closed. I'm the only one defending him, and I have nothing but a tinfoil hat conspiracy. Ugh...I've just spent like half an hour on this so far and he's by far my best read after the shenanigans on the other page. You don't want it? :-\
Well, I thought I made it clear. I think any case on LS now is a waste. The case on him, and his behavior is strong enough for all 9 of us to be on him. Shit, If I were Lightning I'd vote myself for how bad I am.
I mean there is literally 0 people towning him. I even said I'm probably ragevoting him. That means there better be 1 wagon with everyone on LS. Why build a case in this situation?
You're next I thought was Jarjar. Go after someone who we can go after D3.
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I feel like any more evidence on LS is like going to the doctor when you're pregnant, getting a blood test, then going to two more doctors to really make sure you're pregnant.
You've said my tinfoil hat theory is probably not right. You're saying it implicitly by spending 30 minutes on a case on LS. I'm the ONLY one defending him. Why pick LS for a case?
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On January 09 2015 07:25 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 07:17 Tubesock wrote:On January 09 2015 07:13 -Celestial- wrote:On January 09 2015 07:08 Tubesock wrote:On January 09 2015 07:06 -Celestial- wrote:On January 09 2015 07:04 ExO_ wrote:
@Celestial why do you think mafia NKed trfel? Just a sec I'm writing up a complete filter dive on LS because tube wanted a full analysis from me on my best target. I was actually hoping you'd go after a more difficult target. The LS case is pretty much closed. I'm the only one defending him, and I have nothing but a tinfoil hat conspiracy. Ugh...I've just spent like half an hour on this so far and he's by far my best read after the shenanigans on the other page. You don't want it? :-\ Well, I thought I made it clear. I think any case on LS now is a waste. The case on him, and his behavior is strong enough for all 9 of us to be on him. Shit, If I were Lightning I'd vote myself for how bad I am. I mean there is literally 0 people towning him. I even said I'm probably ragevoting him. That means there better be 1 wagon with everyone on LS. Why build a case in this situation? You're next I thought was Jarjar. Go after someone who we can go after D3. Alright if we're so certain about the LS wagon for D2 I'll scrap this dive and have a look at someone else. I'll keep it in a word document in case we need it again though. I'm going to need to work this out though before I can give you one. jarjar I didn't like primarily off the back of his D1 stuff, which I felt was largely useless and poorly thought out. His attitude post-flip though has been a LOT better and frankly I've not really been thinking ahead to the D3 lynch yet because we still have more than 24 hours of this to go, plus the full night to start thinking about D3 lynches. I've got a reasonable feeling about Shining, but that might just be a hangover from D1. And I still don't like rsoultin's actions but I'm not sure if I can condemn because whatever I say about words vs actions her explanations seem to ring somewhat true. I've already mentioned my concerns about rsoultin earlier though when we were questioning each other after the D1 EoD flip.
You literally don't have a 2nd scum read?
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On January 09 2015 07:29 ExO_ wrote:
@Celestial why do you think scum nked trfel?
He can't answer that question. He'll get modkilled for posting the mafia QT.
I found a picture of -Celestial-
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hLMT0kK.jpg)
*I am bad at this, but change "fat" to "mafia".
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