Newbie Mini Mafia LX - Page 4

On January 07 2015 10:42 rsoultin wrote:
LS...dude...

You've been lynched before as a claimed cop who was not believed...on Day 1 no less...

WTF were you thinking? I mean, I just now got started thinking about it while looking at the votes, and this does not make sense to me. You always talk about being afraid to lynch power roles. Always. You used that as your excuse in your scum game and I almost bought it.

Why are all your reads inactives? You don't think anyone actively playing is scum?

On January 07 2015 10:53 rsoultin wrote:
Eh, you called it the wrong name. Detective. People thought you were lying because of that (or so it seemed to me).

...Dude, don't make me go filter-diving your past games. I know you've mentioned it again in a game since the one I lynched you as scum (and said that about the odds), that you were concerned about lynching blue roles.

What's your read on shining?

On January 07 2015 11:11 rsoultin wrote:


...dude. Seriously?

You have a blue claim and the other train is someone you think is scummy?

I just...I can't tell if you're friggin protecting a scum mate or just not thinking at all. I will say this, though. If Shining flips scum and you're still alive, you better be oozing town from every pore cause I'll be gunning for you, LS. You are not as new as some of these others, and I have a much harder time believing you don't understand the basic mechanics of a blue claim than with someone like Celestial.

On January 07 2015 12:09 rsoultin wrote:


Dude :/ I'm sorry. That's terrible. Take care of yourself (and your Mom) okay? <3

On January 07 2015 23:03 rsoultin wrote:


Glad to hear your mother's doing alright LS.

If you couldn't vote for Shining who would you vote for and why?

On January 07 2015 23:19 Silverarte wrote:
I know JarJar's questions aren't directed at me (and I'm reading them as specifically at Rsoultin right now) but I felt I should answer them, particularly with the schedule in my world seeming to be a problem-ish. So I'm going to quickly answer at least number 1 before I run out the door.

6 central time is 5pm for me, the exact time I'm getting off (if I am lucky). I have a 20 minute to hour long commute (traffic, weather, so on) and immediately come home to trying to eat dinner, settling my household down and helping with sick people (who so lovingly gave me their cold xD). I have to be at work at 8:30 am, but again with that commute. ( Generally leave at 7:30 my time for work)
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@Ls Glad you're back and she's ok! <3 LS, what makes you so suspicious of Shining? In your mind, who is the biggest candidate to lynch right now and why? I know Shining is on your radar, but what makes Shining more important than say...Gumdrop?

On January 08 2015 05:45 Half the Sky wrote:
Back in thread after yet another long day at work.

First off, the vote analysis. Starting with the isolated votes:

So Gumdrop and Celestial already voted outside the wagons, Celestial has already explained away (which I need to have a further look at), but it's Gumdrop's turn, I think Tube called him earlier saying in no world would ExO be done for.

It doesn't appear Gumdrop was in thread, but if you were, whom would you have voted for and what are your thoughts now?

On the main wagon, I highly doubt the entire scumteam (on page 11 I made assumptions there would be 3 scum) voted Waffle, because that is too obvious for D1. However, 2 of the votes on that wagon were sheep votes off someone with decent town cred, so it's likely at least 1 scum somewhere could have taken advantage.

WW made his claim 95 minutes prior to EoD. Of the votes coming in after that according to the vote thread, only Shining voted Waffle. To me, Shining's vote on Waffle in of itself is not alignment indicative. I had interpreted that as him trying to prevent a quickhammer on himself, considering his question on the tie vote. I had other issues with Shining and he still hasn't answered some of the concerns previously addressed with him.

Silverarte was out of thread because of her schedule. Voted WW earlier, and admits she was convinced by others. I looked closer at her read progression on WW and some of her other scumreads. She admits she sheeped the points made on WW (presumably by Rasputin) but looking at her filter I don't understand what in her mind made WW more scummy than say JJB, whom she was also scumreading and I still don't understand where she stood on Rasputin prior to voting. I'm assuming town at the time she voted because she obviously sheeped her, but I wonder if anything has since changed post-lynch. I'd really like her to clarify/update her reads.

LS, well, deary me. I was 50/50 on this guy but now he looks worse. I looked at the exchange between him and Rasputin and aside from the whole blue role controversy I'm just not buying this:



As town, I don't know how not observing the votes near EoD would fly. He said he's tunnelled too hard on Waffle, so I decided to work backwards on read progression. Tunnelled? Really?

Going through LS's filter, he goes on from a scum read post on Shining to a vote on WW on page 17, 17 minutes after Rasputin votes him. In his filter, there is zero progression to WW up to the time he votes him. After his vote I see one repetition in his filter of why he voted but I don't see any followup questions, or him making a bigger case. Then he says he's tunnelled on him. I don't even. It just seems to me too convenient of a vote.

In contrast, Tubesock was actually tunnelled on WW and I could at least follow where he was coming from, why he asked the questions he did. In his filter there are 10+ posts with questions on WW and explanations on WW's read post. None of that from LS.

Once again, negligible/poor read progression leading up to his vote on WW and not taking it off post-claim as Rasputin discussed makes LS look very poor.

LS, can you explain what differentiated WW from Shining at the time you voted him?

I will comment on some of the other votes as well, but I am going to grab some food.

On January 08 2015 07:42 The Shining wrote:


Also, this. My general understanding is that scum wants blue roles dead, as well as town. In what world does not wanting to lynch someone who just softclaimed blue for fear of them telling the truth and losing a blue role mean I'm scum?

On January 08 2015 07:56 -Celestial- wrote:
Just a heads-up: I'm not sure I'll be around too much tonight. I'm feeling unbelievably ill right now. Really awful stomach pains.

I'll try to address anything tomorrow if I can manage it.

On January 08 2015 09:52 The Shining wrote:
Day and Night one are now over. I said I wasn't done in my earlier post so here it is.

Starting with the votes:



Mafia have a habit of hiding their team in different spots, especially Day One. They do it on order to not make it obvious that they're banding together. One of those spots was the main wagon. Look at WW's vote list. I'm town reading Soultin, Silver and myself as town and Tube null. I'm going with LS as the Mafia on this wagon. I took a look at the last Student Mafia game and he's displaying the same lack of reads here that he did there. Also, he sheeps constantly onto whatever one person says. In Student Mafia, he did it with batsnacks and here, he's doing it with RSoultin. That, along with Soultin's pressure which I'm now deeming town and the points she puts up, makes Soultin Town in my eyes.

LS has offered very little, if anything, to us this game. He went from a big list post where basically everyone was a townread to sheeping scumreads onto myself. Then, he sheeps onto the main wagon in WarWaffle.

Also, Mafia like to throw away votes once the main lynch is secured. WW's wagon caught momentum fast. This leaves the LS wagon, which only has WW and ExO, a blue role and a guy who I'm still unsure about but might be willing to give him benefit of the doubt. Then there's ExO with the lone Gumdrop vote. And my wagon, which has a confirmed towny in Trfel, JarJar and HTS.

Celestial throwing away that vote on JarJar is really suspicious. That and the very early big post by Celestial that gave out a bunch of free town reads, mine included, a post that wasn't really warranted at the time. As has been mentioned before, Mafia likes to give out free town reads and hide in big posts. They also like to make excuses, which Celestial has done right as EoN and beginning of Day 2 started.

The last Mafia is, I think, Jar Jar. Up until now, he's given us nothing of substance minus excuses. The little content he has posted has been recent, and it's another big post that isn't saying much of anything. Then there is this:



Are you going to give us your thoughts on this yourself? Or just going to wait for the thread to validate your slow push? Mafia love leaving a little slow push that Town can run with. It's easier to blame the mislynch on town than take the blame for it themselves.

On January 08 2015 12:22 rsoultin wrote:
LS...my case on WW was never a case.

I honest to god saw him mentioned somewhere, went wtf I forgot he was even playing, realized he'd posted once early and was townread for it, then pressure voted him as a placeholder.

Trfel and HTS sheeped me. Could have been wrong there, too, but the case I did make was against Shining. (If I'm wrong 90% of the time, lol, you shouldn't sheep me no matter how good my cases sound xP). Celestial's issue with me was I made a case against Shining but kept my vote on WW -shrugs-. I fail to see how this escaped you.

On January 08 2015 12:29 rsoultin wrote:
Same reason I told Celestial.

There was only one vote on him when I was pushing my case, and no-one was biting. That left you and WW. So I left my vote on WW.