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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 07 2015 00:10 GMT
#515
God damn it TheWarWaffle if you're a power role you should of claimed. Fuck.....
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 07 2015 01:05 GMT
#522
Honestly I didn't believe his blue claim tbh because he didn't say what role he was but I do agree yes maybe soft claiming was the best option for vet but when people are voting you for a lynching? You must claim that how I feel about blue roles when being lynched.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 07 2015 01:39 GMT
#527
rsoultin I wasn't comfortable enough to move my vote since my other candiates didn't really have votes on either. Mainly your brother JarJar and Gumdrop. I didn't have a good case for either player so that's why I had my vote still on TheWarWaffle other than I didn't believe his blue claim from TheWarWaffle. I really thought I was going to get lynched Day 1 but was willing to let it happen if the voters didn't believe tbh with you.
I will look at the filter of the person who gets Night Killed tomorrow and see why they would be Night Killed.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 07 2015 01:49 GMT
#529
On January 07 2015 10:42 rsoultin wrote:
LS...dude...

You've been lynched before as a claimed cop who was not believed...on Day 1 no less...

WTF were you thinking? I mean, I just now got started thinking about it while looking at the votes, and this does not make sense to me. You always talk about being afraid to lynch power roles. Always. You used that as your excuse in your scum game and I almost bought it.

Why are all your reads inactives? You don't think anyone actively playing is scum?

I don't really got a scum read on the actives atm and honestly I know this might sound to odd to you but I felt like I did a better job defending my claim as a Cop than TheWarWaffles but however the reason no one believed my claim in that game was because I got counter claimed by KSC simple as that. I should of attacked more on KSC in that game since he counter claimed me. Also I wasn't worry about lynching a power role this game because of my scum game on Student Mafia IV when you told me what are the chances that we would hit a power role on a lynch on Day 1 and not lynching a power role for town for 2 games in a row really made me feel like we wouldn't lynch a power role this game and it happened.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 07 2015 02:05 GMT
#534
On January 07 2015 10:53 rsoultin wrote:
Eh, you called it the wrong name. Detective. People thought you were lying because of that (or so it seemed to me).

...Dude, don't make me go filter-diving your past games. I know you've mentioned it again in a game since the one I lynched you as scum (and said that about the odds), that you were concerned about lynching blue roles.

What's your read on shining?

Well what else I was suppose to do when my role pm was Detective and my coach in that game clarified it was Cop at the time but I couldn't really say it was my coach who told me it was Cop and in the thread I did ask for BH the host of the game to clarified to me if Detective was Cop in the thread and told them what BH told me but they simply didn't believe me because of the counter claim by KSC that's all.
Also my read on Shining is Null leaning scum as I didn't like his case on ExO and some people already told him that ExO wasn't going to get lynched Day 1 but he did switch TheWarWaffle too after that. Also his post about ExO was kind of odd that he did sheep a read on him yet scum read him and seemed like he was talking nonsense on it.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 07 2015 02:16 GMT
#536
On January 07 2015 11:11 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 11:05 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 07 2015 10:53 rsoultin wrote:
Eh, you called it the wrong name. Detective. People thought you were lying because of that (or so it seemed to me).

...Dude, don't make me go filter-diving your past games. I know you've mentioned it again in a game since the one I lynched you as scum (and said that about the odds), that you were concerned about lynching blue roles.

What's your read on shining?

Well what else I was suppose to do when my role pm was Detective and my coach in that game clarified it was Cop at the time but I couldn't really say it was my coach who told me it was Cop and in the thread I did ask for BH the host of the game to clarified to me if Detective was Cop in the thread and told them what BH told me but they simply didn't believe me because of the counter claim by KSC that's all.
Also my read on Shining is Null leaning scum as I didn't like his case on ExO and some people already told him that ExO wasn't going to get lynched Day 1 but he did switch TheWarWaffle too after that. Also his post about ExO was kind of odd that he did sheep a read on him yet scum read him and seemed like he was talking nonsense on it.


...dude. Seriously?

You have a blue claim and the other train is someone you think is scummy?

I just...I can't tell if you're friggin protecting a scum mate or just not thinking at all. I will say this, though. If Shining flips scum and you're still alive, you better be oozing town from every pore cause I'll be gunning for you, LS. You are not as new as some of these others, and I have a much harder time believing you don't understand the basic mechanics of a blue claim than with someone like Celestial.

I thought that Shining didn't have a lot votes at the time and I tunneled to hard on TWW I'm sorry I will do better on Day 2 and Day 3 if I'm alive at that part of the I promise!
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 07 2015 03:07 GMT
#544
Rsoultin I up for a Shining lynch tomorrow and hopefully I can deal with my IRL drama with my Mom having to go to the ER for overnight and me staying home because someone needed to take care of the house. I guess this what happens when I emotionally drained.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 07 2015 03:19 GMT
#548
On January 07 2015 12:09 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 12:07 LightningStrike wrote:
Rsoultin I up for a Shining lynch tomorrow and hopefully I can deal with my IRL drama with my Mom having to go to the ER for overnight and me staying home because someone needed to take care of the house. I guess this what happens when I emotionally drained.


Dude :/ I'm sorry. That's terrible. Take care of yourself (and your Mom) okay? <3

I hope it will end well for me and my Mom and I will try to take care of myself and my Mom to the best of my abilities.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 07 2015 13:56 GMT
#559
I just woke up and my Mom was already home and it turns out Diabetes is a bitch sometimes so at least she is going to be fine just need her to take the meds the ER gave her. I not as drained anymore and I ready to lynch Shining at the start of the day.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 07 2015 14:11 GMT
#561
On January 07 2015 23:03 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 22:56 LightningStrike wrote:
I just woke up and my Mom was already home and it turns out Diabetes is a bitch sometimes so at least she is going to be fine just need her to take the meds the ER gave her. I not as drained anymore and I ready to lynch Shining at the start of the day.


Glad to hear your mother's doing alright LS.

If you couldn't vote for Shining who would you vote for and why?

To be honest with you I have no idea now that I fucked up hard and not go for my closest scum read and I saw no cases on the other player except for ExO who I agreed that he shouldn't be lynched Day 1.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 07 2015 14:14 GMT
#562
But if I have to give a answer now maybe Gumdrop he been inactive not really contributing to the thread and never voted at all in the lynch last night.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 07 2015 16:31 GMT
#566
On January 07 2015 23:19 Silverarte wrote:
I know JarJar's questions aren't directed at me (and I'm reading them as specifically at Rsoultin right now) but I felt I should answer them, particularly with the schedule in my world seeming to be a problem-ish. So I'm going to quickly answer at least number 1 before I run out the door.

6 central time is 5pm for me, the exact time I'm getting off (if I am lucky). I have a 20 minute to hour long commute (traffic, weather, so on) and immediately come home to trying to eat dinner, settling my household down and helping with sick people (who so lovingly gave me their cold xD). I have to be at work at 8:30 am, but again with that commute. ( Generally leave at 7:30 my time for work)
---

@Ls Glad you're back and she's ok! <3 LS, what makes you so suspicious of Shining? In your mind, who is the biggest candidate to lynch right now and why? I know Shining is on your radar, but what makes Shining more important than say...Gumdrop?

His posts in general seemed very questionable and his case on ExO wasn't good for a Day 1 lynch. Also the case on Shining by Rsoultin is pretty good now that I had reread the stuff from it. I willing to give Gumdrop a benefit of a doubt for now just because he's new but I found that him not voting is questionable or at least I didn't see him vote at all but not enough to make me want to lynch him over Shining.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 07 2015 20:11 GMT
#570
In the past scum usually said something what JarJar and Shining said about a lynch being bad. At least my experience since my first game. So I going all in on Shining and if Shining is scum it wont surprise me a bit. If Shining is town I will be shocked tbh with you.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 07 2015 21:32 GMT
#572
On January 08 2015 05:45 Half the Sky wrote:
Back in thread after yet another long day at work.

First off, the vote analysis. Starting with the isolated votes:

So Gumdrop and Celestial already voted outside the wagons, Celestial has already explained away (which I need to have a further look at), but it's Gumdrop's turn, I think Tube called him earlier saying in no world would ExO be done for.

It doesn't appear Gumdrop was in thread, but if you were, whom would you have voted for and what are your thoughts now?

On the main wagon, I highly doubt the entire scumteam (on page 11 I made assumptions there would be 3 scum) voted Waffle, because that is too obvious for D1. However, 2 of the votes on that wagon were sheep votes off someone with decent town cred, so it's likely at least 1 scum somewhere could have taken advantage.

WW made his claim 95 minutes prior to EoD. Of the votes coming in after that according to the vote thread, only Shining voted Waffle. To me, Shining's vote on Waffle in of itself is not alignment indicative. I had interpreted that as him trying to prevent a quickhammer on himself, considering his question on the tie vote. I had other issues with Shining and he still hasn't answered some of the concerns previously addressed with him.

Silverarte was out of thread because of her schedule. Voted WW earlier, and admits she was convinced by others. I looked closer at her read progression on WW and some of her other scumreads. She admits she sheeped the points made on WW (presumably by Rasputin) but looking at her filter I don't understand what in her mind made WW more scummy than say JJB, whom she was also scumreading and I still don't understand where she stood on Rasputin prior to voting. I'm assuming town at the time she voted because she obviously sheeped her, but I wonder if anything has since changed post-lynch. I'd really like her to clarify/update her reads.

LS, well, deary me. I was 50/50 on this guy but now he looks worse. I looked at the exchange between him and Rasputin and aside from the whole blue role controversy I'm just not buying this:

Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 11:16 LightningStrike wrote:
I thought that Shining didn't have a lot votes at the time and I tunneled to hard on TWW I'm sorry


As town, I don't know how not observing the votes near EoD would fly. He said he's tunnelled too hard on Waffle, so I decided to work backwards on read progression. Tunnelled? Really?

Going through LS's filter, he goes on from a scum read post on Shining to a vote on WW on page 17, 17 minutes after Rasputin votes him. In his filter, there is zero progression to WW up to the time he votes him. After his vote I see one repetition in his filter of why he voted but I don't see any followup questions, or him making a bigger case. Then he says he's tunnelled on him. I don't even. It just seems to me too convenient of a vote.

In contrast, Tubesock was actually tunnelled on WW and I could at least follow where he was coming from, why he asked the questions he did. In his filter there are 10+ posts with questions on WW and explanations on WW's read post. None of that from LS.

Once again, negligible/poor read progression leading up to his vote on WW and not taking it off post-claim as Rasputin discussed makes LS look very poor.

LS, can you explain what differentiated WW from Shining at the time you voted him?

I will comment on some of the other votes as well, but I am going to grab some food.

I just tunelled to hard while I was worried about my mom but at least she is feeling much better now. I just couldn't concentrate at all at the time but WW was way more inactive in the thread that all I remember why I went after WW and also I was liking rsoultins post on why to vote WW too. I so lost right now to be honest with you like maybe one of my town reads is scum this game and I just denying it. I hope Day 2 gives me a fresh start on who is scum and who isn't.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 07 2015 22:54 GMT
#576
On January 08 2015 07:42 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 05:11 LightningStrike wrote:
In the past scum usually said something what JarJar and Shining said about a lynch being bad. At least my experience since my first game. So I going all in on Shining and if Shining is scum it wont surprise me a bit. If Shining is town I will be shocked tbh with you.


Also, this. My general understanding is that scum wants blue roles dead, as well as town. In what world does not wanting to lynch someone who just softclaimed blue for fear of them telling the truth and losing a blue role mean I'm scum?

The way he soft claimed blue was questionable but it now making sense now that he flipped as Vet but it troubling that he said he had low power on his phone and had to post from his phone so when he made that post why not just hard claim then despite it being Vet?
Also guys I wont be here at EoN but when I get back I will vote on Shining until we get a better case on someone being scum.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 07 2015 22:57 GMT
#578
On January 08 2015 07:56 -Celestial- wrote:
Just a heads-up: I'm not sure I'll be around too much tonight. I'm feeling unbelievably ill right now. Really awful stomach pains.

I'll try to address anything tomorrow if I can manage it.

Take care of yourself first then worry about the game when you feel better.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 08 2015 03:16 GMT
#609
On January 08 2015 09:52 The Shining wrote:
Day and Night one are now over. I said I wasn't done in my earlier post so here it is.

Starting with the votes:

Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 09:03 kitaman27 wrote:
Day 1 Final Vote Count

jarjarbinks (1): ExO_, -Celestial-
LightningStrike (2): ExO_, -Celestial-, Trfel, TheWarWaffle
Gumdrop (0): Tubesock
TheWarWaffle (5): rsoultin, LightningStrike, Silverarte, Tubesock, The Shining
Tubesock (0): TheWarWaffle
ExO_ (1): Gumdrop, The Shining
The Shining (3): Half the Sky, Trfel, jarjarbinks

TheWarWaffle has been lynched.


Mafia have a habit of hiding their team in different spots, especially Day One. They do it on order to not make it obvious that they're banding together. One of those spots was the main wagon. Look at WW's vote list. I'm town reading Soultin, Silver and myself as town and Tube null. I'm going with LS as the Mafia on this wagon. I took a look at the last Student Mafia game and he's displaying the same lack of reads here that he did there. Also, he sheeps constantly onto whatever one person says. In Student Mafia, he did it with batsnacks and here, he's doing it with RSoultin. That, along with Soultin's pressure which I'm now deeming town and the points she puts up, makes Soultin Town in my eyes.

LS has offered very little, if anything, to us this game. He went from a big list post where basically everyone was a townread to sheeping scumreads onto myself. Then, he sheeps onto the main wagon in WarWaffle.

Also, Mafia like to throw away votes once the main lynch is secured. WW's wagon caught momentum fast. This leaves the LS wagon, which only has WW and ExO, a blue role and a guy who I'm still unsure about but might be willing to give him benefit of the doubt. Then there's ExO with the lone Gumdrop vote. And my wagon, which has a confirmed towny in Trfel, JarJar and HTS.

Celestial throwing away that vote on JarJar is really suspicious. That and the very early big post by Celestial that gave out a bunch of free town reads, mine included, a post that wasn't really warranted at the time. As has been mentioned before, Mafia likes to give out free town reads and hide in big posts. They also like to make excuses, which Celestial has done right as EoN and beginning of Day 2 started.

The last Mafia is, I think, Jar Jar. Up until now, he's given us nothing of substance minus excuses. The little content he has posted has been recent, and it's another big post that isn't saying much of anything. Then there is this:

Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 09:20 jarjarbinks wrote:
Trfel voted for LS, switched to shining.

any thoughts?


Are you going to give us your thoughts on this yourself? Or just going to wait for the thread to validate your slow push? Mafia love leaving a little slow push that Town can run with. It's easier to blame the mislynch on town than take the blame for it themselves.

I tunneled too hard on WW mainly I was emotionally drained with my Mom not feeling well until this morning and also WW blue claim wasn't good if that was really going to be his last post because he should of just claimed Vet if he wasn't going to post after that post he did. I almost always sheep rsoultin when we together because I really like her cases although they are like 90% wrong but it was better than nothing (shrugs). I think one of the scum knows how well Tfrel is at making good cases so that would limit to me, rsoultin, HTS, and Tubesock. Also since Tfrel got killed and scum read me then you and knowing I am VT this game I think it's you plus the case by rsoultin on you is much better than his case on WW now.
##Vote: The Shining
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 08 2015 03:26 GMT
#612
On January 08 2015 12:22 rsoultin wrote:
LS...my case on WW was never a case.

I honest to god saw him mentioned somewhere, went wtf I forgot he was even playing, realized he'd posted once early and was townread for it, then pressure voted him as a placeholder.

Trfel and HTS sheeped me. Could have been wrong there, too, but the case I did make was against Shining. (If I'm wrong 90% of the time, lol, you shouldn't sheep me no matter how good my cases sound xP). Celestial's issue with me was I made a case against Shining but kept my vote on WW -shrugs-. I fail to see how this escaped you.

I don't like Celestial not liking the case on Shining from you but I trust you a little better knowing you got a coach this game and I not really good at making good cases just yet and you saw why I not confident in making cases after what happened in Metal Mini Mafia >.>
I thought you made a case on WW that why you had a vote on him but I now curious as to why you didn't go to Shining either even if you had a case on him?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 08 2015 03:27 GMT
#613
Oh and not to mention my case on Tubesock on Carol because that case by me was stupidly bad T_T
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 08 2015 03:31 GMT
#615
On January 08 2015 12:29 rsoultin wrote:
Same reason I told Celestial.

There was only one vote on him when I was pushing my case, and no-one was biting. That left you and WW. So I left my vote on WW.

I up for a Shining and lynch right now if you want to go for it right now. I not moving my vote until a better case on a different person that isn't me because I can't vote for myself obviously.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
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