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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
January 03 2015 14:27 GMT
#2767
And Robiks vote was basically a sneaky ninja vote that tipped the scales at the last minute. Not cool at all, I'm also giving him a FoS for that.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
January 03 2015 14:32 GMT
#2768
Gonna be back when people are actually playing.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
January 03 2015 14:35 GMT
#2769
On January 03 2015 22:41 Lazermonkey wrote:
My objection to kill Vivax at this point is that he is still refusing to talk about all other lynch targets and keeps on defending himself and/or pushes for people who aren't getting lynched this decade. Couldn't scum Vivax try to hop on some easy target instead of Eden/jat?

Though I don't think this is a super strong argument for Vivax either since it still would mean his town play is garbage.


Yes good town players only speak about the possible lynches. -.-
No, good town players make hard lynches possible.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
January 03 2015 16:18 GMT
#2775
On January 04 2015 00:09 justanothertownie wrote:
Look Vivax. You decided to scumread me, then went into my filter and twisted everything you could find in the most ridiculous way possible to find an angle to attack me. You even scumread me for completely contradictory reasons in the same post multiple times now. This is what you did regardless of your alignment. Don't even question it.

Now, why would you do that as town? Because you are angry at my posting style? I find that very hard to believe. You are generally a decent townplayer and this is shit tier. It is way more likely that you are just scum.

Regardless of your alignment you will never get me lynched this game in a billion years so stop wasting your time. You aren't enabling a hard lynch, you just make yourself look worse and worse.

So, you are telling us to only consider what you did night1? You sure about that? Like 85 % of your posts night1 you tunneled the most obvious townie in the game for hilariously bad reasons. This makes 85 % of your play completely useless bullshit.

Why don't you try and present us a realistic lynch target instead? Are you afraid to incriminate your buddies?


All you're saying is without backup. Whatever I said is based on facts I quoted multiple times and just cause you spam shit at every possible occasion during D1 doesn't make you town, it just makes you spammy. In fact there's only little in your filter that is salvageable to something that allows me to read you and the little I found I had to find without you giving any help at doing that, see your geript read.

You didn't willingly talk about you scumreading geript and then still trying to get people to townread him before throwing your vote at him. You refused to show the point where you somehow gave a read on geript cause you think that being spammy already warrants you to be universally townread which is sadly something a lot of people fall for.

I started scumreading you precisely at the point where I noticed you being spammy as fuck when I tried to analyse Eden and you just came yelling into the thread. Then I was like "Oh fuck huge filter" and looking through it it was really just rather empty from information. It's mostly you making conversational one-liners that don't lead anywhere except for the point where you start making your case on bats which was based on thin reasoning since his post on Lazermonkey was good in my opinion (even more odd is that you found Lazermonkey suspicious yourself at some point earlier but ignored what bats wrote about him and instead went as far as saying he had no scumreads to push for his lynhc.).

You aren't the most obvious townie, you just talk way too much for this game to be analyseable and the little you have that can be analysed looks bad.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
January 03 2015 16:21 GMT
#2776
And you said "we should look at the latecomers of the bats wagon" before peacing out after the bats lynch.

Guess what, Eden was among them. When I took a closer look at Eden during the night you didn't chime in with some insight, you came into the thread playing town coach and telling people to not bitch about the bats wagon. Another reason I found you scummy for, when you had opportunity to analyse someone you claimed should deserve a closer look earlier.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
January 03 2015 16:26 GMT
#2778
On January 04 2015 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2015 01:18 Vivax wrote:
On January 04 2015 00:09 justanothertownie wrote:
Look Vivax. You decided to scumread me, then went into my filter and twisted everything you could find in the most ridiculous way possible to find an angle to attack me. You even scumread me for completely contradictory reasons in the same post multiple times now. This is what you did regardless of your alignment. Don't even question it.

Now, why would you do that as town? Because you are angry at my posting style? I find that very hard to believe. You are generally a decent townplayer and this is shit tier. It is way more likely that you are just scum.

Regardless of your alignment you will never get me lynched this game in a billion years so stop wasting your time. You aren't enabling a hard lynch, you just make yourself look worse and worse.

So, you are telling us to only consider what you did night1? You sure about that? Like 85 % of your posts night1 you tunneled the most obvious townie in the game for hilariously bad reasons. This makes 85 % of your play completely useless bullshit.

Why don't you try and present us a realistic lynch target instead? Are you afraid to incriminate your buddies?


All you're saying is without backup. Whatever I said is based on facts I quoted multiple times and just cause you spam shit at every possible occasion during D1 doesn't make you town, it just makes you spammy. In fact there's only little in your filter that is salvageable to something that allows me to read you and the little I found I had to find without you giving any help at doing that, see your geript read.

You didn't willingly talk about you scumreading geript and then still trying to get people to townread him before throwing your vote at him. You refused to show the point where you somehow gave a read on geript cause you think that being spammy already warrants you to be universally townread which is sadly something a lot of people fall for.

I started scumreading you precisely at the point where I noticed you being spammy as fuck when I tried to analyse Eden and you just came yelling into the thread. Then I was like "Oh fuck huge filter" and looking through it it was really just rather empty from information. It's mostly you making conversational one-liners that don't lead anywhere except for the point where you start making your case on bats which was based on thin reasoning since his post on Lazermonkey was good in my opinion (even more odd is that you found Lazermonkey suspicious yourself at some point earlier but ignored what bats wrote about him and instead went as far as saying he had no scumreads to push for his lynhc.).

You aren't the most obvious townie, you just talk way too much for this game to be analyseable and the little you have that can be analysed looks bad.

yawn
Just keep burying yourself then.


Yes making witty comments against a pile of arguments you can't fight back cause you're being scumread by a guy that is being pushed as mislynch is how you solve a game of mafia. You feel safe behind a majority cause the only guy threatening you is being perceived as scum, so why bother arguing?

Most obvious townie right here. Trying to bring the thing to an emotional level when I'm presenting facts.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
January 03 2015 16:35 GMT
#2780
On January 04 2015 01:28 justanothertownie wrote:
Look, we get it. It makes you mad that people are correctly townreading me. Get over it.


I'm not mad, you're trying to paint it that way. Right now I'm mostly presenting how you don't try to present a solution to a situation, but instead try to stir me up when I just summarized again why you are a good candidate for being scum.

A townie in this situation would at least try to explain willingly his thought process when being questioned about it. Like I talked to Koshi when he was ready to listen at night. I didn't tell him to fuck off and look for the stuff himself, I explained whatever I could about the things he found suspicious. He didn't accept it, but that's how it was.

You instead just provoke and wall off when questioned cause there are not enough people willing to vote you yet. You don't even consider the eventuality that I could be town and really believing what I write, and try to persuade me that you're not scum, except with the arguments that everyone else does that and that you pushed a mislynch and that you're so spammy. There's absolutely no reason to universally townread you like you try to make it look.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
January 03 2015 16:39 GMT
#2781
I still need to look at and compare those list posts I made yesterday. One from geript, one from ragequitChyz and one from ritoky. Was trying to get some information from it on a spreadsheet but closed it -.-
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
January 03 2015 16:45 GMT
#2785
On January 03 2015 22:36 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2015 22:34 Vivax wrote:
On January 03 2015 22:32 marvellosity wrote:
do you really believe what you're writing?


What am I doing wrong? Like, if you know better don't just stand around and tell me I'm bullshitting show me what I misunderstood and lead me to a better track instead of standing on the sidelines and just throwing around snarky comments.
Show me why I'm wrong on JAT, or tell me where my argument is wrong, or tell me who a better lynch is who isn't me.

I already explained the near 100% heuristic on why jat is not and can't be mafia.

You're also picking holes in a townleader who took the time and effort to find a lynch at some ridiculous time of the morning.

like i can't believe you're nitpicking shit and missing the bigger picture. it's the lack of big picture from you which is really concerning.


Marv what's the most funny thing here that also can easily make you mafia (besides that you're trying to mislynch me) is that you praise JAT for finding a lynch when it wasn't the guy you wanted to lynch. And you're usually very keen on lynching your own scumreads, instead here you townread a guy for starting a wagon on your not-scumread and effectively achieving alynch that wasn't your own preference.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
January 03 2015 16:48 GMT
#2789
So you're saying that a scum JAT won't try his best to stop a scum geript from getting lynched by starting a wagon on a townie?

Like scum would never make an effort to start counterwagons? And when geript, your own scumread, gets saved by the JAT counterwagon, you townread him for making the effort while at the same time having to assume that scum would try to save geript?

This is why you're bullsitting son
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
January 03 2015 16:49 GMT
#2791
Marv comments on Robik's last minute vote?
Looks legit?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
January 03 2015 16:50 GMT
#2794
On January 04 2015 01:44 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax how many times has the most active person who was around at silly o'clock finding and organising lynches been mafia?

ever?

you might possibly be able to point to 1-2 HF games, what about the other 300+ that TL Mafia has played, do you know any?


Silly O'clock differs from person to person and if geript is mafia JAT had every reason to organise another lynch, unless you know geript's alignment as being town you can't possibly apply this argument.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
January 03 2015 16:54 GMT
#2797
I don't use that heuristic cause it's so subjective it hurts. Statistics is statistics, not saying what your own impression is and then trying to force that onto me.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
January 03 2015 16:55 GMT
#2800
I'm not gonna rely to that trash heuristic after having picked apart enough things in JAT's filter that don't add up.

And then throw it all away cause in your opinion scum doesn't organize lynches at late hours.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
January 03 2015 16:57 GMT
#2804
I've directed counterwagons myself as scum. I even acted like I was insane about it, in a town vs town situation where scum doesn't even need to act and it earned me a huge fat batch of cred. I only need one example to falsify your "statistics"
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
January 03 2015 16:58 GMT
#2805
So no, your heuristic is shit. Scum will do whatever the hell they want as long as it pimps up their image.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
January 03 2015 17:00 GMT
#2808
I don't remember the game but a town Obi was about to get lynched and I was pushing a fake scumread during the day, then I went crazy about it and saved Obi by mislynching the other guy. All that effort earned me that I became his personal jesus. Then got caught cause of my usual laziness in later days, when I'm scum.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
January 03 2015 17:01 GMT
#2813
I can try to find that game but longes filter doesn't apply here as JAT's filter is a museum of non-saying one-liners, you can't sell me that one-liners containing "wow" and "bitch pls" or "okay" should be added to filter length.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
January 03 2015 17:02 GMT
#2815
JAT now if you truly are town I want you to consider this. If my scumread on you is wrong then scum is trying to capitalize on this shitstorm right this moment and I want you to monitor that type of activity cause you will have to think back to it after my flip.

Do we have an agreement.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
January 03 2015 17:09 GMT
#2823
When coaching Trfel I remember how I told him that in town vs town situations scum will usually be at the sidelines and support the townie they perceive to have the better standing, it also gives them leverage on mislynching the townie that has the worse standing.

It was like in Personality mafia 2 when austin (the thread police) and Acrofales being scum kept siding with marv and trying to tilt me while I was screaming for him to be scum while he was pushing town foolishness.

Remember that game marv? And after scum Nightkilled Foolishness who I townread all game long and you pushed to be lynched, you fell for a fake scumcheck from Hiro on me and lost us the game
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