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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 02 2015 00:10 GMT
#1341
On January 02 2015 09:07 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 09:05 justanothertownie wrote:
Maybe I should sheep Koshi on Vivax.

He thinks vivax is scum because of geript so why switch?

wat
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 02 2015 00:11 GMT
#1342
JAT, is there anyone in this game who is a consensus town?
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 02 2015 00:11 GMT
#1343
On January 02 2015 08:48 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 02:46 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm having doubts about Chyz as well. I do think his play is bad and I don't agree with almost anything he has said this fair. But I'm not sure that makes him scum. He could just as well be bad town. I don't disagree with your case DH in the sense that I think all of Chyz plays are wierd and/or bad but can you explain his actions from a scum PoV? If something doesn't make sense from a town PoV but also doesn't make sense as scum, I don't think its a good reason to lynch someone for.

Granted, I would not be super sad if Chyz got lynched today. I do think he is a better lynch than say Robik. But I think geript is a much better lynch for today.

##Unvote
##Vote: geript


Lazer this is the post in question, not your response to Damdred.
Can you explain why you think TheChyz is a passable lynch for you after asking DrH to point out what his scum motivation is? If you can't see it for yourself why would you lynch him?

Actually my point stands! DH posted about the "8 hour issue" long before the post you linked...

So basically you first read his argument about Chyz being scum, go on and read and then you start putting on suspicion on me and THEN you say you are convinced that Chyz is scum by the same argument you ignored earlier on. Am I understanding this correctly?

Trying to jump on the "better" wagon, are we?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22272 Posts
January 02 2015 00:11 GMT
#1344
On January 02 2015 09:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 09:07 Koshi wrote:
So you couldn't possible think of a reason why Chyz wants to quit?

Vivax is trying to frame Chyz and he went over the top by saying "I wonder why he defeats so quickly". He is mafia.

Dafuq?


If I had to guess I would say that Koshi doesn't like how indirect that looks. But it's just what I was thinking at the time. It just looked like a massive overreaction and it left me wondering. We still have some time and it's not like the wagon on Chyz is so big (I think), and he didn't attempt to exhaust his resources yet, so why post that thing? It doesn't even focus on his main scumreads, it's just a soup of everything.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 02 2015 00:12 GMT
#1345
On January 02 2015 09:10 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 09:07 sicklucker wrote:
On January 02 2015 09:05 justanothertownie wrote:
Maybe I should sheep Koshi on Vivax.

He thinks vivax is scum because of geript so why switch?

wat



?????????????? People are saying vivax is scum because hes deflecting so why switch off the guy hes deflecting from? Its not rocket science
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 02 2015 00:13 GMT
#1346
On January 02 2015 09:11 IAmRobik wrote:
JAT, is there anyone in this game who is a consensus town?

me
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 02 2015 00:13 GMT
#1347
Explain to me why Vivax is so focused connecting people with geript. Yet never talks about geript his alignment and his own view on geript.

On January 02 2015 06:47 Vivax wrote:
Hi. I still have to read a fair lot but I'm currently keen on what batsnacks wrote and agree with him on LM. The post looks extremely formulaic and I have no idea why he would talk so much about Chyz when he's going for geript anyway. The first paragraph just should looks like a soup of looking agreeable but not really.


On January 02 2015 08:55 Vivax wrote:
The list doesn't make him look any better to me. If anything it makes me wonder why he feels defeated so quickly. Looking at his scumreads I don't really grasp how he can tell apart people like geript and Koshi from the rest of his null/scummy-pile, they only appear rarely in his filter.
I had a good night of sleep.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 02 2015 00:14 GMT
#1348
...
RIP Aaliyah
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22272 Posts
January 02 2015 00:14 GMT
#1349
On January 02 2015 09:11 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 08:48 Vivax wrote:
On January 02 2015 02:46 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm having doubts about Chyz as well. I do think his play is bad and I don't agree with almost anything he has said this fair. But I'm not sure that makes him scum. He could just as well be bad town. I don't disagree with your case DH in the sense that I think all of Chyz plays are wierd and/or bad but can you explain his actions from a scum PoV? If something doesn't make sense from a town PoV but also doesn't make sense as scum, I don't think its a good reason to lynch someone for.

Granted, I would not be super sad if Chyz got lynched today. I do think he is a better lynch than say Robik. But I think geript is a much better lynch for today.

##Unvote
##Vote: geript


Lazer this is the post in question, not your response to Damdred.
Can you explain why you think TheChyz is a passable lynch for you after asking DrH to point out what his scum motivation is? If you can't see it for yourself why would you lynch him?

Actually my point stands! DH posted about the "8 hour issue" long before the post you linked...

So basically you first read his argument about Chyz being scum, go on and read and then you start putting on suspicion on me and THEN you say you are convinced that Chyz is scum by the same argument you ignored earlier on. Am I understanding this correctly?

Trying to jump on the "better" wagon, are we?


I didn't ignore an argument, I simply found it later. I still didn't read the whole game, I'm mostly focusing on stuff I find interesting that is brought up, and DrH did a good job at bringing his point up, plus your post looked interesting when bats brought it up. This is where I stand right now and it's not a complete picture but the place I'm starting from. Does that answer your question? Do you now know why the post I quoted there looks scummy to me?
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 02 2015 00:17 GMT
#1350
Koshi that initial read on vivac is fucking amazing.

Koshi town Viv scum.
Zerg for Life
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 02 2015 00:17 GMT
#1351
On January 02 2015 09:14 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 09:11 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 02 2015 08:48 Vivax wrote:
On January 02 2015 02:46 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm having doubts about Chyz as well. I do think his play is bad and I don't agree with almost anything he has said this fair. But I'm not sure that makes him scum. He could just as well be bad town. I don't disagree with your case DH in the sense that I think all of Chyz plays are wierd and/or bad but can you explain his actions from a scum PoV? If something doesn't make sense from a town PoV but also doesn't make sense as scum, I don't think its a good reason to lynch someone for.

Granted, I would not be super sad if Chyz got lynched today. I do think he is a better lynch than say Robik. But I think geript is a much better lynch for today.

##Unvote
##Vote: geript


Lazer this is the post in question, not your response to Damdred.
Can you explain why you think TheChyz is a passable lynch for you after asking DrH to point out what his scum motivation is? If you can't see it for yourself why would you lynch him?

Actually my point stands! DH posted about the "8 hour issue" long before the post you linked...

So basically you first read his argument about Chyz being scum, go on and read and then you start putting on suspicion on me and THEN you say you are convinced that Chyz is scum by the same argument you ignored earlier on. Am I understanding this correctly?

Trying to jump on the "better" wagon, are we?


I didn't ignore an argument, I simply found it later. I still didn't read the whole game, I'm mostly focusing on stuff I find interesting that is brought up, and DrH did a good job at bringing his point up, plus your post looked interesting when bats brought it up. This is where I stand right now and it's not a complete picture but the place I'm starting from. Does that answer your question? Do you now know why the post I quoted there looks scummy to me?

Have you read my two most recent effort posts on thechyz? Should be a page or two before you came in.

Koshi trying to make it seem like youre obsessing on geript is pretty funny. I need to take a break before I have a stroke, ill be back to yell about thechyz again.
RIP Aaliyah
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22272 Posts
January 02 2015 00:17 GMT
#1352
On January 02 2015 09:13 Koshi wrote:
Explain to me why Vivax is so focused connecting people with geript. Yet never talks about geript his alignment and his own view on geript.

Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 06:47 Vivax wrote:
Hi. I still have to read a fair lot but I'm currently keen on what batsnacks wrote and agree with him on LM. The post looks extremely formulaic and I have no idea why he would talk so much about Chyz when he's going for geript anyway. The first paragraph just should looks like a soup of looking agreeable but not really.


Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 08:55 Vivax wrote:
The list doesn't make him look any better to me. If anything it makes me wonder why he feels defeated so quickly. Looking at his scumreads I don't really grasp how he can tell apart people like geript and Koshi from the rest of his null/scummy-pile, they only appear rarely in his filter.


You can ask me about geript. I have no real guess about geript lol. I've read the bit where marv calls him out for trying to find holes in his list and geript then calls him 100 % mafia, and I've set it aside cause it just looked uninteresting. I didn't find what geript wrote about marv's stuff on two guys as outrageous as marv did, and for the moment I don't really care about geript and didn't spend so much time thinking over him as I did over LM's post and TheChyz.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 02 2015 00:18 GMT
#1353
Marv, are you still around? You need to make your stance clear before you leave.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
January 02 2015 00:19 GMT
#1354
On January 02 2015 09:17 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 09:13 Koshi wrote:
Explain to me why Vivax is so focused connecting people with geript. Yet never talks about geript his alignment and his own view on geript.

On January 02 2015 06:47 Vivax wrote:
Hi. I still have to read a fair lot but I'm currently keen on what batsnacks wrote and agree with him on LM. The post looks extremely formulaic and I have no idea why he would talk so much about Chyz when he's going for geript anyway. The first paragraph just should looks like a soup of looking agreeable but not really.


On January 02 2015 08:55 Vivax wrote:
The list doesn't make him look any better to me. If anything it makes me wonder why he feels defeated so quickly. Looking at his scumreads I don't really grasp how he can tell apart people like geript and Koshi from the rest of his null/scummy-pile, they only appear rarely in his filter.


You can ask me about geript. I have no real guess about geript lol. I've read the bit where marv calls him out for trying to find holes in his list and geript then calls him 100 % mafia, and I've set it aside cause it just looked uninteresting. I didn't find what geript wrote about marv's stuff on two guys as outrageous as marv did, and for the moment I don't really care about geript and didn't spend so much time thinking over him as I did over LM's post and TheChyz.

How can you not care for him when he's the leading lynch less than 5 hours before the deadline?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22272 Posts
January 02 2015 00:19 GMT
#1355
I suppose there's no post limit this game.

Marv if you're still around why did you wonder when I'd come back and when I poked back you didn't really want anything?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 02 2015 00:19 GMT
#1356
On January 02 2015 09:17 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 09:13 Koshi wrote:
Explain to me why Vivax is so focused connecting people with geript. Yet never talks about geript his alignment and his own view on geript.

On January 02 2015 06:47 Vivax wrote:
Hi. I still have to read a fair lot but I'm currently keen on what batsnacks wrote and agree with him on LM. The post looks extremely formulaic and I have no idea why he would talk so much about Chyz when he's going for geript anyway. The first paragraph just should looks like a soup of looking agreeable but not really.


On January 02 2015 08:55 Vivax wrote:
The list doesn't make him look any better to me. If anything it makes me wonder why he feels defeated so quickly. Looking at his scumreads I don't really grasp how he can tell apart people like geript and Koshi from the rest of his null/scummy-pile, they only appear rarely in his filter.


You can ask me about geript. I have no real guess about geript lol. I've read the bit where marv calls him out for trying to find holes in his list and geript then calls him 100 % mafia, and I've set it aside cause it just looked uninteresting. I didn't find what geript wrote about marv's stuff on two guys as outrageous as marv did, and for the moment I don't really care about geript and didn't spend so much time thinking over him as I did over LM's post and TheChyz.

So what is your read on geript?
I had a good night of sleep.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 02 2015 00:20 GMT
#1357
On January 02 2015 09:14 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 09:11 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 02 2015 08:48 Vivax wrote:
On January 02 2015 02:46 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm having doubts about Chyz as well. I do think his play is bad and I don't agree with almost anything he has said this fair. But I'm not sure that makes him scum. He could just as well be bad town. I don't disagree with your case DH in the sense that I think all of Chyz plays are wierd and/or bad but can you explain his actions from a scum PoV? If something doesn't make sense from a town PoV but also doesn't make sense as scum, I don't think its a good reason to lynch someone for.

Granted, I would not be super sad if Chyz got lynched today. I do think he is a better lynch than say Robik. But I think geript is a much better lynch for today.

##Unvote
##Vote: geript


Lazer this is the post in question, not your response to Damdred.
Can you explain why you think TheChyz is a passable lynch for you after asking DrH to point out what his scum motivation is? If you can't see it for yourself why would you lynch him?

Actually my point stands! DH posted about the "8 hour issue" long before the post you linked...

So basically you first read his argument about Chyz being scum, go on and read and then you start putting on suspicion on me and THEN you say you are convinced that Chyz is scum by the same argument you ignored earlier on. Am I understanding this correctly?

Trying to jump on the "better" wagon, are we?


I didn't ignore an argument, I simply found it later. I still didn't read the whole game, I'm mostly focusing on stuff I find interesting that is brought up, and DrH did a good job at bringing his point up, plus your post looked interesting when bats brought it up. This is where I stand right now and it's not a complete picture but the place I'm starting from. Does that answer your question? Do you now know why the post I quoted there looks scummy to me?

So I'm not really interested in arguing whether or not you actually found the post later or if you are just making it up right now to not look like shit. Its WIFOM. You answered my question though.

I understand your reasoning, though its wrong, and have explained why I posted what I posted.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 02 2015 00:20 GMT
#1358
At this point chyz could say the sky is blue and drh would produce a 300 word essay on why it makes chyz mafia
Zerg for Life
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 02 2015 00:21 GMT
#1359
LM didnt stick so gotta deflect off geript onto vivax i guess. He was inactive earlier so that makes it easy to bullshit and jump all over him while he's catching up
RIP Aaliyah
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22272 Posts
January 02 2015 00:21 GMT
#1360
On January 02 2015 09:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 09:17 Vivax wrote:
On January 02 2015 09:13 Koshi wrote:
Explain to me why Vivax is so focused connecting people with geript. Yet never talks about geript his alignment and his own view on geript.

On January 02 2015 06:47 Vivax wrote:
Hi. I still have to read a fair lot but I'm currently keen on what batsnacks wrote and agree with him on LM. The post looks extremely formulaic and I have no idea why he would talk so much about Chyz when he's going for geript anyway. The first paragraph just should looks like a soup of looking agreeable but not really.


On January 02 2015 08:55 Vivax wrote:
The list doesn't make him look any better to me. If anything it makes me wonder why he feels defeated so quickly. Looking at his scumreads I don't really grasp how he can tell apart people like geript and Koshi from the rest of his null/scummy-pile, they only appear rarely in his filter.


You can ask me about geript. I have no real guess about geript lol. I've read the bit where marv calls him out for trying to find holes in his list and geript then calls him 100 % mafia, and I've set it aside cause it just looked uninteresting. I didn't find what geript wrote about marv's stuff on two guys as outrageous as marv did, and for the moment I don't really care about geript and didn't spend so much time thinking over him as I did over LM's post and TheChyz.

How can you not care for him when he's the leading lynch less than 5 hours before the deadline?


If I can make a point in my favour it's cause I focus on the stuff I find interesting in a specific moment rather than paying attention to bandwagon politics? Still gotta read what this geript stuff is all about but when I posted the bits I found interesting he kept being brought up and I didn't really get why. Usual stuff when you're not caught up it's like everybody talks past you.
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