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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22102 Posts
January 15 2015 01:59 GMT
#8763
Anyway I'm currently checking Kelsier's story about his change of mind about SL, and I didn't see him changing his mind. I also complained when he didn't read my points about why SL is scum, and shortly before he still thought he was scummy. No mention of something that made him change his mind in between, so I'm currently looking between the post where he still thinks he's scummy and the post where he doesn't support me in the SL push to see if there was something that could have changed his mind.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22102 Posts
January 15 2015 02:00 GMT
#8764
If I die now you have to dig into what I just mentioned!
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22102 Posts
January 15 2015 02:17 GMT
#8786
Ok I just went through a fuckton of pages to confirm what Kelsier said here, surprise surprise, he's scum:

On January 15 2015 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm not avoiding I'm reading you and then typing my response.

It wasn't magic I gave clear reasons for my change.
I read geript as scum so I looked at people who late switched to bats. SL seemed scummy.
Then geript flips town. So why does mafia late hammer a town when the vote is two towns. I listen to jat and robin and thy make good points why sl Is town. Hence my read changes.

See, reasons not magic


So I go back to the last post where Kelsier says SL is scum, and read onward to the point where I attack SL after night ended and complained that Kelsier wasn't supporting me in lynching SL.

This is what I found from Robik and JAT that could have changed Kelsier's mind. Unless he can find something else he's a liar and mafia.


Nr. 1: The last post from Kels where he scumreads SL:

On January 06 2015 03:07 KelsierSC wrote:
yeh LM is my top scum read right now

I would also lynch Super and Rit

As for Viv, well his D2 play and the strange start to the day really threw me. I think with geript flipping town though he has to be up for major consideration.

a lot of what I read depends on SL, I think he is scum though. I don't know what the fuck his cop bullshit is but he has dodged my questions on it , it is full of inconsistencies. His play overall has been an attempt to clear himself as often as possible, along with other players, by applying bad logic and WIFOM. He has constantly acted like he has played well and led town or been massively influential, this overstating is really tiring and I don't think he believes it.. I don't believe the claim at all.
but in the world where he is an awful cop I can see a scum team of where they have just sort of coasted by and let town go round in circles.


Marv
Palmar
LM
Super
...+ viv or rit maybe, unsure of this.


my town would be
Robik, JAT, artanis, DrH
I like VE aswell but I just don't have the data on him and it is really a "tone" read more than anything.
GB has now got internet access again and I look forward to getting his perspective on the game for realz.

if you have been forgotten, please dont be rustled


The arguments why SL is town:

On January 06 2015 03:40 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2015 03:39 sicklucker wrote:
I have decided that robik cant be mafia since gerit was town from vote analyst hes also looked good today.

This read is still utter horseshit.


On January 06 2015 14:00 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, list time in case I get shot.

Town:

Sicklucker: I just don't see him doing the whole cop claim shenannigans as scum. I somewhat doubt that he is the real cop though because then his play would be really really dumb. If that is the case and he doesn't get shot he needs to clear that up immediately day3.



On January 06 2015 03:44 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2015 03:42 sicklucker wrote:
We put marv and palmer in a cage and they fought about stuff we dont care about and we chose marv.

This alone should help us TR sicklucker.


At this time I'm scumreading SL, this is what Kelsier writes:

On January 06 2015 17:44 KelsierSC wrote:
Sl are you claiming cop again?

THERE IS NOTHING, NOTHING THAT COULD COVNINCE KELSIER THAT SL IS TOWN HERE. BUT HE JUST SAID THAT THERE WOULD BE. INSTEAD WHEN I SCUMREAD KELSIER FOR REASONS, KELSIER JUST SITS THERE AND ASKS HIM IF HE'S THE COP
What is your check?

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22102 Posts
January 15 2015 02:18 GMT
#8788
EBWOP on last quote:

On January 06 2015 17:44 KelsierSC wrote:
Sl are you claiming cop again?

What is your check?


What I said:
THERE IS NOTHING, NOTHING THAT COULD COVNINCE KELSIER THAT SL IS TOWN HERE. BUT HE JUST SAID THAT THERE WOULD BE. INSTEAD WHEN I SCUMREAD SL FOR REASONS, KELSIER JUST SITS THERE AND ASKS HIM IF HE'S THE COP.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22102 Posts
January 15 2015 02:19 GMT
#8789
On January 15 2015 11:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
The problem for scum was that Vivax and I share the exact same idea. Killing either of us will just make sure that the other follows up on it. Shooting Chez was the only way to put people on another track. Pretty brilliant idea really.


Yep, I forced them to do that with the post where I say that I wouldn't kill you cause you're a bro
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22102 Posts
January 15 2015 02:22 GMT
#8792
Like, to understand what I mean, you have to read what Kelsier just said for why he stopped scumreading SL suddenly.

Then you go back to the time geript flipped and read what Kelsier writes at night.

Then you read through the night and look for reasons from Robik and JAT for why SL is town. Hint: I quoted all I found.

Then comes day, Kelsier wasn't convinced by the reasons cause they were given but he still asks SL if he's the cop (why?) and ignores my push on him.

Easy lynch today boys
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22102 Posts
January 15 2015 02:23 GMT
#8794
I'm lynching Kelsier before LM.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22102 Posts
January 15 2015 02:27 GMT
#8799
On January 15 2015 11:17 Vivax wrote:

The arguments why SL is town:

Show nested quote +
On January 06 2015 03:40 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 06 2015 03:39 sicklucker wrote:
I have decided that robik cant be mafia since gerit was town from vote analyst hes also looked good today.

This read is still utter horseshit.


Show nested quote +
On January 06 2015 14:00 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, list time in case I get shot.

Town:

Sicklucker: I just don't see him doing the whole cop claim shenannigans as scum. I somewhat doubt that he is the real cop though because then his play would be really really dumb. If that is the case and he doesn't get shot he needs to clear that up immediately day3.



Show nested quote +
On January 06 2015 03:44 IAmRobik wrote:
On January 06 2015 03:42 sicklucker wrote:
We put marv and palmer in a cage and they fought about stuff we dont care about and we chose marv.

This alone should help us TR sicklucker.




You listen to JAT and Robik about this?
After all the arguments you presented for SL being scum?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22102 Posts
January 15 2015 02:31 GMT
#8803
On January 15 2015 11:23 KelsierSC wrote:
vivax if you read through sl he said he was going to reclaim cop the next day soni wanted to see what he said.

You will see that my reasoning is consistent. Inwas unsure of SL after geript flipped town I listened to Jay and tobik and I ended up town reading him.


So first you are unsure if he's cop, after you uncovered he wasn't.

Then during the night you see arguments from JAT and Robik that don't have anything to do with the cop claim except JAT cause JAT was already sure he was town, but not cop. Meanwhile you weren't sure he was cop.

But you say JAT convinced you while he was sure SL was town but not cop, while you weren't sure he was town OR cop.

You're so in the bag scum
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22102 Posts
January 15 2015 02:32 GMT
#8804
On January 15 2015 11:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I kind of don't want to let LM get away today though. It feels icky.


I need to evaluate a dozen times if I'm wrong on one of these guys. Let's not let this become and autolynch.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22102 Posts
January 15 2015 02:37 GMT
#8808
On January 15 2015 11:31 KelsierSC wrote:
SL

Geript flipped town and it didn't make sense for a mafia to late vote in that situation.
Robik and JAT made good posts about why you are town. There maybe other people I town read who made good points on you but I cant remember.
I haven't copied your reads I think I have pushed my own thoughts independently.

If you want evidence of my town. Look at what Viv Just copied.

My scum list - LM, super and ritoky


Scum lists don't mean shit, you can bus all you want. Super wasn't playing properly. Ritoky was about to fakeclaim cop the next day, and Lazer still didn't flip. So unless you know 100 % for sure that Lazer is going to flip scum when he gets lynched this defense of yourself is an example of TMI, and it fits perfectly into my theory that last day you and marv bussed him to grab endgame cred.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22102 Posts
January 15 2015 02:40 GMT
#8810
On January 15 2015 11:36 KelsierSC wrote:
JAT said something like the cop claim makes no sense from a mafia perspective. SL said he was going to reclaim cop the next day and so I asked him about it.
I've explained my reasons, I dont see how this makes me scum



JAT townread him, and said he wasn't cop.
You scumread him, and weren't sure if he was cop.

But you say JAT's argument convinced you.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22102 Posts
January 15 2015 02:41 GMT
#8811
JAT ignored that SL said he was going to reclaim cop.
You didn't.

But JAT convinced you.

Easily uncovered story that doesn't fit.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22102 Posts
January 15 2015 02:43 GMT
#8813
And what about Robik convinced you that SL could be town? The obviously trolly post from Robik? Hard to believe when you were scumreading SL for harder reasons.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22102 Posts
January 15 2015 02:44 GMT
#8815
On January 15 2015 11:41 KelsierSC wrote:
Well I'm confident LM is mafia. I pushed him everyday tbh except d2 when I thought geript was mafia.

You seem desperate to call me scum for things that I have explained and aren't scummy.


Yes but you just used the argument that LM is mafia before he even flipped to prove you're town.

TMI.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22102 Posts
January 15 2015 02:46 GMT
#8816
I'm willing to lynch LM, and then apply the TMI argument to lynch Kelsier. And if marv isn't dead by then, he's the easy choice.

GGnore scum
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22102 Posts
January 15 2015 02:50 GMT
#8821
Yes show me all the reasons you saw from Robik and JAT between the last post where you scumread SL and the start of D3.

I doubt you will be able to talk yourself out of this.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22102 Posts
January 15 2015 02:52 GMT
#8823
On January 15 2015 11:49 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 11:44 Vivax wrote:
On January 15 2015 11:41 KelsierSC wrote:
Well I'm confident LM is mafia. I pushed him everyday tbh except d2 when I thought geript was mafia.

You seem desperate to call me scum for things that I have explained and aren't scummy.


Yes but you just used the argument that LM is mafia before he even flipped to prove you're town.

TMI.


I'm 100% confident LM is mafia so yeh when he flips mafia it proves I'm town so.


It only proves that in an ideal world you have earned yourself the right to claim cred for a scumlynch.
Which is scum agenda, gaining cred when they bus.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22102 Posts
January 15 2015 02:54 GMT
#8825
On January 15 2015 11:53 sicklucker wrote:
we can lynch marv if he doesint try really really hard today and spew town. I think thats the better play hes known to concede as mafia...


MY NI... BRO.

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22102 Posts
January 15 2015 02:55 GMT
#8827
Today's task is to get everyone involved into the marv/Kels/LM theory and see how they want to handle it.
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