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On January 17 2015 13:03 DarthPunk wrote:
Kelsier and Lazer and Sicklucker and GB were the shitters this game for town. If Chezinu gets night killed before you you are doing something wrong. ESPECIALLY if you have spammed the thread with 40 odd pages of filter.
Hm.
Like
Scumreading both damdred and marv correctly and being right on Artanis meta as he says in mafia qt?
Probably.
Thank you for your cooperation. Your scumread on me was very helpful
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Nah, DP, I admit my play was bad this game.
Mostly because I was traveling and haven't read the first 2 cycles.
But anyway, not a good play. This made me so uninvolved with the game...
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Wow, so many mean posts on the obs, it makes me sad 
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On January 17 2015 14:30 sicklucker wrote:
and slam. I knew mass claiming wouldnt work right from are first or second pm because you gave me permission to do it. So thats why I didnt.
I did that gb question thing as more of a reaction test to see if they were willing to do it. I should have went with my first reaction to kill gb and put scum on dandred him for avoiding it. Is this bad etiquette? Because I honestly dont know and someone should tell me so I dont do it in the future.
The problem with mind games is that you don't just confuse scum but also town. Actually, you confuse town much more than scum, as they have perfect information
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On January 17 2015 14:47 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 14:43 GlowingBear wrote:Wow, so many mean posts on the obs, it makes me sad Well some of them knew some alignments (I PMd Koshi I was town post game for example), and others knew the solution cause of people other than hosts and scum being able to see scum qt). So yes, being a smartass is easy when you have access to more information.
Yeah, kinda.
I'm impressed with palmar hammering the scum team though. And with koshi.
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On January 17 2015 14:49 Alakaslam wrote:
Oh
Well another failure, I did not manage the obs.
Meh, too many to dwell on.
Game was cool, slam.
Some errors in votecounts (like having two GlowingBears voting AND being counted as two different person), but it ran smoothly.
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It was completely obvious that marv and damdred were mafia together when marv completely ignored my meta on him but attacked my meta on KSC (which was extremely weak, I should have not posted it once I realised it was weak while doing it). I should have noticed it.
Again, this is a great game for learning. There are some points in Artanis play that makes him scum but was overlooked (the fluff posts in example) and some meta points.
But saying that town was a complete shit and that is why scum won is a demerit to scum. They have played incredibly well.
I think that the most important lesson in this game is that Overall Gameplay is much more important than vote counts and everything
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On January 17 2015 21:51 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 21:49 GlowingBear wrote:
It was completely obvious that marv and damdred were mafia together when marv completely ignored my meta on him but attacked my meta on KSC (which was extremely weak, I should have not posted it once I realised it was weak while doing it). I should have noticed it.
Again, this is a great game for learning. There are some points in Artanis play that makes him scum but was overlooked (the fluff posts in example) and some meta points.
But saying that town was a complete shit and that is why scum won is a demerit to scum. They have played incredibly well.
I think that the most important lesson in this game is that Overall Gameplay is much more important than vote counts and everything 1st paragraph: ye 2nd: i may try to elaborate at some point, but i don't think it's the fluff 3rd: thx bbe 4th: they're both important, and usually they should work together. For example, Artanis was forgiven for the Palmar push because of his "gameplay" but it actually massively pushed mafia agenda (and Palmar instantly called Artanis certain mafia when he woke up dead and saw)
I can't really see this. I understand what you're saying but I can't understand why it couldn't come from a town.
I remember suspecting him because he suddenly decided to convince people to lynch palmar. But he was already voting palmar and as I had that hard scumread on him I couldn't pursue this suspicions further.
The thing about overall gameplay is that damdred was totally inside his mafia play but the Superbia thing was really a problem. It's a reminder that hard busses can happen.
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I just couldn't see town palmar agreeing to lynch damdred, scumreading marv, but voting LM with marv and refusing to lynch damdred.
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On January 17 2015 22:01 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 21:58 GlowingBear wrote:
I just couldn't see town palmar agreeing to lynch damdred, scumreading marv, but voting LM with marv and refusing to lynch damdred. You couldn't see town Palmar after he worked his ass off solving the game and being town all day? Staying up at ungodly times after saying he was definitely going to bed? You couldn't see how convenient it was for scum to start pushing Palmar AFTER he went to bed?
After I strong scumread damdred? No
Marv also stayed up, deadline is horrible to him.
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On January 18 2015 04:54 KelsierSC wrote:
gg scum played well
vivax and GB's reads were so bad that I couldn't see them not being mafia.
I should have been more freaked out that Artanis was agreeing with vivax because Artanis is an intelligent person.
Said the guy townreading marv 
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Hey Slam!
Just drew this.
Best manga 2015 already?
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HEII1PQ.jpg)
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On January 18 2015 05:11 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 05:08 GlowingBear wrote:On January 18 2015 04:54 KelsierSC wrote:
gg scum played well
vivax and GB's reads were so bad that I couldn't see them not being mafia.
I should have been more freaked out that Artanis was agreeing with vivax because Artanis is an intelligent person. Said the guy townreading marv you tried to scum read me because I used my phone.
I admittedly said it was weak and I those quotes were about you giving similar excuses. Come on.
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Terrible switch to LM
Wow...
I've just realised that.
After I moved to marv and was afk, you couldn't move anymore. Scum needed just 1 town to hammer a townie
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Oh, and, by the way, I think town marv would have rage quit after being called scum a lot
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On January 18 2015 05:35 KelsierSC wrote:
it can raise suspicon I guess but I answered it perfectly and you just ignored it and went on to the next reason to call me scum.
You weren't objective about the game and that forced me to read you as scum
Stop putting the blame into others play when you have read things wrong.
Vivax read could have been wrong on you but his effort was townie. And you couldn't see outside the tunnel.
A play can never force you to do something. You evaluate it wrong or right. Period.
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Palmar, my read on you wasn't actually associative. Your behaviour was weird, that was my scumread on you.
On the other hand I should have noticed that if you were scum with damdred you wouldn't act like that. You would act like marv with the "I don't know"
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On January 18 2015 05:44 KelsierSC wrote:
I didn't realise you actually think your reads are good so again that is my fault.
Oh I don't know if you're talking about me but I've ready admitted the meta case on you was weak so there's that .
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Eden, if everyone reads more and post less, the thread will be empty
I think the players needs to know their potentials and work with them. Some players are very good at analysing and others are good to keep pushing the thread forward. If they work together with their potentials they will be able to get through the game.
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