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On January 14 2015 06:07 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 06:01 KelsierSC wrote:On January 14 2015 05:58 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2015 05:55 KelsierSC wrote:
I think marv is town like 100% Based on what? This is a surprisingly strong read for someone who is basically one of the top 2-3 players in the history of mafia and has done jack shit this game. Now stones, glass houses, etc, but that's not the point. I remember he made a smart post about the order of my lynches on d2 which I liked initially. Then his votes look pretty good. I think almost everyone who was confirmed town has read marv as town aswell and his filter is pretty large so all in all he is a town read for me and not the lynch at all. Votes looking good has nothing to do with being town. In fact his votes look awful. Not because he's been voting the wrong people but because he hasn't been making the sheeple line up and VOTE WITH HIM.
you mean except where i made ritoky fakeclaim?
what is this?
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are people going to seriously argue with me that I didn't push ritoky into that spot on day 3?
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On January 14 2015 06:09 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 06:08 marvellosity wrote:On January 14 2015 06:06 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2015 06:05 marvellosity wrote:alright i'm back On January 14 2015 05:54 Palmar wrote:
Actually let's just do this.
Like what I said on night... 2? is still relevant. Marv 100% knew I wasn't afraid to push him, I was just uncertain. I've questioned all my reads this game. I'm not good enough to be right on everything every game.
Marv SHOULD by now have an opinion on me stronger than meh. If he thinks I'm mafia, so be it, but at least he should sort of think that. The problem is he sort of is okay with townreading me but doesn't really commit to it.
##vote marvellosity why? Because you literally always do. I've never had you openly, repeatedly doubt my alignment like this throughout a game. you fucking admit yourself your play this game has been unusual. which it has! Who cares. The only thing that's unusual is the activity patches. Literally everything else is exactly how I play town. You know I bus the fuck out of everyone on my team as mafia anyway.
well that's wonderful if you're sitting there as town with a town role PM. "i'm playing like town because i am town" is a nothnig argument.
your words, more or less precisely -
"there is one tell that i know you use that makes me 100% mafia"
so we go from that premise, but somehow that tell doesn't seem quite right and i don't quite see how or why.
you stepped up your play today, but not to the extent that i quite expected, again leading to uncertainty.
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On January 14 2015 06:11 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 06:08 marvellosity wrote:
are people going to seriously argue with me that I didn't push ritoky into that spot on day 3? Even if it was. What you do doesn't matter. How you do it does ))))))))) (that's a russian smiley, I learned their language in the doto).
I agree, and I did it damn townily, if i do say so myself.
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On January 14 2015 06:13 Palmar wrote:
Jesus, it's all clicking now.
The whole thing about "you're usually not afraid of pushing me" by marv confirms him as mafia in a way I hadn't even thought of before.
If he actually is town, it's 100% acceptable to him that I don't push him, because in that case I _could_ be town (he has never committed to reading me scum, at least not back then). Like he shouldn't even question it because it would be exactly how I act as town because I SHOULD (ie: I should read him correctly, why is he worried that I'm not pushing him when he knows it's the wrong thing to do).
you've pushed me when i've been town in many games.
cmon palmar.
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On January 14 2015 06:14 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 06:07 marvellosity wrote:On January 14 2015 06:01 GlowingBear wrote:
When I asked marv if he would lynch damdred he gave a very fluffy answer. I asked him "yes or no" and he refused to say it.
This kind of non commitment reveals that he doesn't want to link himself to damdred. is this for real? you asked me for my read, I gave it, then I backed up my reasons for the read. Why would I come across as unnaturally certain if I'm not certain? Explain I don't have reads on damdred = won't lynch I think he is scum = lynch Instead, you gave a really unclear answer. But the lynch today should be damdred. I've played with damdred a lot and I'm positive he is mafia.
mafia isn't binary.
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On January 14 2015 06:14 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 06:12 marvellosity wrote:On January 14 2015 06:09 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2015 06:08 marvellosity wrote:On January 14 2015 06:06 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2015 06:05 marvellosity wrote:alright i'm back On January 14 2015 05:54 Palmar wrote:
Actually let's just do this.
Like what I said on night... 2? is still relevant. Marv 100% knew I wasn't afraid to push him, I was just uncertain. I've questioned all my reads this game. I'm not good enough to be right on everything every game.
Marv SHOULD by now have an opinion on me stronger than meh. If he thinks I'm mafia, so be it, but at least he should sort of think that. The problem is he sort of is okay with townreading me but doesn't really commit to it.
##vote marvellosity why? Because you literally always do. I've never had you openly, repeatedly doubt my alignment like this throughout a game. you fucking admit yourself your play this game has been unusual. which it has! Who cares. The only thing that's unusual is the activity patches. Literally everything else is exactly how I play town. You know I bus the fuck out of everyone on my team as mafia anyway. well that's wonderful if you're sitting there as town with a town role PM. "i'm playing like town because i am town" is a nothnig argument. your words, more or less precisely - "there is one tell that i know you use that makes me 100% mafia" so we go from that premise, but somehow that tell doesn't seem quite right and i don't quite see how or why. you stepped up your play today, but not to the extent that i quite expected, again leading to uncertainty. Doesn't matter bro. also this last sentence is such bs. It's okay marv. It'll all be over soon.
it really won't.
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On January 14 2015 06:16 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 06:14 marvellosity wrote:On January 14 2015 06:13 Palmar wrote:
Jesus, it's all clicking now.
The whole thing about "you're usually not afraid of pushing me" by marv confirms him as mafia in a way I hadn't even thought of before.
If he actually is town, it's 100% acceptable to him that I don't push him, because in that case I _could_ be town (he has never committed to reading me scum, at least not back then). Like he shouldn't even question it because it would be exactly how I act as town because I SHOULD (ie: I should read him correctly, why is he worried that I'm not pushing him when he knows it's the wrong thing to do).
you've pushed me when i've been town in many games. cmon palmar. okay, that's correct. But it wasn't the same. It's usually on day 1 (as opposed to like night 2) and it's a completely different situation.
this is a non-point
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On January 14 2015 06:17 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 06:16 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2015 06:14 marvellosity wrote:On January 14 2015 06:13 Palmar wrote:
Jesus, it's all clicking now.
The whole thing about "you're usually not afraid of pushing me" by marv confirms him as mafia in a way I hadn't even thought of before.
If he actually is town, it's 100% acceptable to him that I don't push him, because in that case I _could_ be town (he has never committed to reading me scum, at least not back then). Like he shouldn't even question it because it would be exactly how I act as town because I SHOULD (ie: I should read him correctly, why is he worried that I'm not pushing him when he knows it's the wrong thing to do).
you've pushed me when i've been town in many games. cmon palmar. okay, that's correct. But it wasn't the same. It's usually on day 1 (as opposed to like night 2) and it's a completely different situation. Like my point is... why would you expect me to be pushing you in that scenario? I hadn't given any real reasons as to why you were mafia. It's this expectation of something that shouldn't have happened that makes you scum.
BECAUSE YOU'D KEPT DROPPING SLIGHTS AT ME
the whole *REASON* I made the comment is because you made a sly dig at me one too many times so I called you out on it. go back and READ how it happened.
and that's to everyone.
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On January 14 2015 06:20 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 06:18 marvellosity wrote:On January 14 2015 06:17 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2015 06:16 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2015 06:14 marvellosity wrote:On January 14 2015 06:13 Palmar wrote:
Jesus, it's all clicking now.
The whole thing about "you're usually not afraid of pushing me" by marv confirms him as mafia in a way I hadn't even thought of before.
If he actually is town, it's 100% acceptable to him that I don't push him, because in that case I _could_ be town (he has never committed to reading me scum, at least not back then). Like he shouldn't even question it because it would be exactly how I act as town because I SHOULD (ie: I should read him correctly, why is he worried that I'm not pushing him when he knows it's the wrong thing to do).
you've pushed me when i've been town in many games. cmon palmar. okay, that's correct. But it wasn't the same. It's usually on day 1 (as opposed to like night 2) and it's a completely different situation. Like my point is... why would you expect me to be pushing you in that scenario? I hadn't given any real reasons as to why you were mafia. It's this expectation of something that shouldn't have happened that makes you scum. BECAUSE YOU'D KEPT DROPPING SLIGHTS AT ME the whole *REASON* I made the comment is because you made a sly dig at me one too many times so I called you out on it. go back and READ how it happened. and that's to everyone. And in what universe does townMarv believe that scumPalmar is dumb enough to think that dropping random digs at townMarv is going to get townMarv lynched? Like I know my scumplay isn't great, but that's bs man. I'd pocket the hell out of you if you were town and I was mafia. That, or kill you. Not let you live until day 4 yet constantly call you out for random shot. It's basically impossible I'm not your top town atm.
I don't, I thought that's your way of vaguely keeping up appearances and "contributing" with your traditional scumread on me.
except you refused to ever flesh it out (like you usually do), so I called you out.
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you're pushing me retardedly, you can piss right off.
like literally everything I say hangs together because IT ALL MAKES SENSE BECAUSE I AM TOWN AND THAT IS HOW IT HAPPENED
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you're very much not helping right now.
like everything in my play is townmarv, from the large filter to the actually playing the game, to the pushing the mafia i'm certain of.
literally the only thing that should make people doubt is that i didn't hardpush on day 1 for a deadline i'm not around for or something?
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On January 14 2015 06:30 Palmar wrote:
Like why do you even care if I'm trying to lynch you. Go talk to the others and tell someone who is mafia.
Don't you think GB looks better in recent pages?
No, I think he's pushing mislynches. Two of them.
And fucking please, you know what i'm like when people are pushing me. do you remember the game you made me ragequit from?
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because idiots like you bring the heat.
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On January 14 2015 06:36 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 06:31 marvellosity wrote:On January 14 2015 06:30 Palmar wrote:
Like why do you even care if I'm trying to lynch you. Go talk to the others and tell someone who is mafia.
Don't you think GB looks better in recent pages? No, I think he's pushing mislynches. Two of them.And fucking please, you know what i'm like when people are pushing me. do you remember the game you made me ragequit from? Oh so damdred is town?
"what is your read on damdred"
"probably town"
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On January 14 2015 06:35 Palmar wrote:
Why didn't you follow up on ritoky day 1, or even attempt to make anyone listen to you?
he was absent for a long time that day, and only came back shortly after bed, didn't feel certain enough to push at the time, was tired, geript looked like a really good lynch
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On January 14 2015 06:39 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 01:55 marvellosity wrote:
pretty doubtful, unless something comes up that's better than what i've seen.
to an extent I agree with Plam that Damdred has been less assertive than I might expect, but the difference is nowhere near what i'm seeing. his push on Superbia d2 was pretty good and actually quite assertive, in some ways it was bad luck (?) that it didn't yield results that day. Also similarly with his VE push (even though wrong)
and a couple of little things like how he questioned sl on his greencheck on him Does this looks clear to you?
yes, it explains perfectly why he's probably town
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On January 14 2015 06:39 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2015 06:38 marvellosity wrote:On January 14 2015 06:35 Palmar wrote:
Why didn't you follow up on ritoky day 1, or even attempt to make anyone listen to you? he was absent for a long time that day, and only came back shortly after bed, didn't feel certain enough to push at the time, was tired, geript looked like a really good lynch but you basically got ignored though. you didn't mind at all?
see bold
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remember that post from earlier you said was reasonable that i said was reasonable about yours? about certainty?
you're retrofitting.
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