It's funny you mentioned all of this Damdy, cause I noticed he asked you what was good about ritokys followup, you answered, and he just ignored it.

But you think his thought progression is townie. I would be all over him now that we know what ritoky was.

Vivax

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January 13 2015 05:33 GMT

#7615

SO marv calls out a scum at the superstart, he wonders what you found so townie about his followup, and when you reply, he ignores it. Instead ritoky reappears soon in a list of 4 ppl marv calls "PoE's".

I don't really need more to lynch him, and I might have to reread you better as well.

Vivax

22407 Posts

January 13 2015 10:04 GMT

#7619

Ok.

Still didn't see a reason for you to park your vote on Palmar except something about game solving information.

Plus your D1 ritoky read is forged. It was nothing but a fire & forget.

Vivax

22407 Posts

January 13 2015 10:05 GMT

#7620

Also good job only adressing the meta part

Vivax

22407 Posts

January 13 2015 10:13 GMT

#7621

I argue why JAT is scum, marv: "No, his filter is too long"
Why SL is scum : "omg you're attacking an obvious townie"
Why marv is scum : "No, my filter is too long, only a sample size of two games counts"
Why Palmar is scum: "It gives us game solvey information"
Why ritoky is scum "First cause of his terrible attack, then cause of PoE with 3 others, also I never go back to my original reasoning on ritoky during D1"

Vivax

22407 Posts

January 13 2015 10:25 GMT

#7629

Yes calling me a nutjob whenever I called you scum was what you did in the scumgame of yours I linked.

Anyway it's up to the others to decide on you, I'm not gonna get dragged into an ad hominem fest with you.

Vivax

22407 Posts

January 13 2015 10:29 GMT

#7633

You have 90 % winrate as scum in the database so it's never wrong to lynch you.
Consider that a compliment, and a reason you have to die on top of all the other I mentioned, if you don't die today you have to die tomorrow.

Vivax

22407 Posts

January 13 2015 10:44 GMT

#7647

Palmar, how did you lynch marv in metal mafia, I've read a little so I know it was you.

Vivax

22407 Posts

January 13 2015 10:45 GMT

#7648

Tell me how you were one of the 10 %

Vivax

22407 Posts

January 13 2015 10:46 GMT

#7649

Brag about it, be extensive

Vivax

22407 Posts

January 13 2015 15:57 GMT

#7708

In the titanic game I linked Palmar was a lot more pushy and aggressive as scum, then again he was cornered from the start thanks to two incompetent teammates, can't remember who.

On January 13 2015 01:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

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Actually, Vivax does. You could read his last few pages but you might need eye protection.

I don't know why I have to laugh at this for 2 minutes straight, probably cause I believe it myself. Went back to the post where I was thinking that and it just makes me more confused cause it reminds me how much I'd love nukes to be in this game. Stuff that just removes players from the game in batches. Anyway I'm obviously not as confident any more, mostly ignoring that possibility for simplicitys sake.

I'd much rather hear if you think Kelsier is scum rather than answering why I think he's town, unless you think we're scum together but then just explain why one of us is scum and why he has to die today.

Vivax

22407 Posts

January 13 2015 15:58 GMT

#7709

On January 14 2015 00:55 GlowingBear wrote:
Uhm.
Where's marv and palmar?
I need my answer o.o

I can pretend to be marv for a post or two.

Vivax

22407 Posts

January 13 2015 16:01 GMT

#7712

On January 14 2015 01:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

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I think you're practically confirmed on filter size and effort alone, so no I don't think you're scum.

You went through Kelsier's filter already so I was hoping you could tell me memorable things about him because I don't remember anything about him and I was hoping you could spare me having to go through his filter.

Do you have sunglasses on?

Vivax

22407 Posts

January 13 2015 16:17 GMT

#7716

On January 14 2015 00:13 Damdred wrote:

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I thought the way he attacked and went about it was townie. And then asked why I townread him, its true there isn't much interaction between mine and marvs disagreement between reads but its known to happen. And then when ritoky returns marv calls him out on another read he made. Spends a few posts talking about Ritoky on d2 while rit is absent.

After d2 marv does push the ritoky vote so theres that.

After reading his filter I think Marv looks towny the interactions don't really seem forced.

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This sounds like the idiots who say "it is known" in game of thrones, not that you're an idiot, but this sounds like something a catholic inquisitor would say in the precolumbian time. Let's say I'm not satisfied with this answer. Marv scumreads ritoky, you disagree, he asks why, you reply, he goes his own way again and ignores both of you. Needless to say why this earns both of you scumpoints. And marv was very vocal about ritoky's entrance, and usually will try to force his point on people who disagree when he's town, which is another reason he's scum. However I found your push on super believable and like the theory scum preferred ritoky to die first as for him the countdown was already running while super could at least pull out some more time since he didn't force a 1-on-1.

@ Artanis

I found his rage believable at EoD 2, the same reaction he had like me and JAT upon posting that votecount that theorized both D1 wagons were on town. Except we had different targets. I was scumreading Robik, his next best option was super and he didn't want to switch to Rbik, doesn't reek of scum agenda. Also in general I find his reads believable, like me he believed geript to be scum until EoD2 where we got doubts cause of JAT's posts, no waffling in his read there, plus gut read wise I just don't see him as scum.

Vivax

22407 Posts

January 13 2015 16:20 GMT

#7717

Is that a Swedish flag in the background Artanis

Vivax

22407 Posts

January 13 2015 16:24 GMT

#7719

I'm slightly colorblind at times.

Vivax

22407 Posts

January 13 2015 16:27 GMT

#7721

To sheep DP on marv or to sheep him on GB, that's the question.

Marv has a higher scum winrate than him, and DP has the highest town winrate, so we can be fans of the statistical approach and lynch marv, or get lulled in by his wicked sorcery and leave him alive until he laughs at us in post game.

Vivax

22407 Posts

January 13 2015 16:29 GMT

#7722

On January 14 2015 01:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm gonna need to look into that Marv-Damdred interaction. Can you link me to where it starts Vivax?
I'll also check the Kelsier thing.

Very early D1, from the point on marv scumreads ritoky.

Also he doesn't bring that point up again, just asks Damdred slightly later why he doesn't scumread ritoky and doesn't pick up on his reply, and basically after the ritoky read he reappears in a list that was based on PoE according to marv.

In my totally unbiased opinion it looks to me like he was aware more than others at the time that the push on DrH looked terrible, he posted it, then started diluting that suspicion by finding other people to jump on so at least he had a reason to not push his scumbuddy D1.

Vivax

22407 Posts

January 13 2015 16:31 GMT

#7725

On January 14 2015 01:30 GlowingBear wrote:
You look Turkish, Artanis.

I think you have never seen a turk