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On January 02 2015 16:37 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 16:34 ritoky wrote:
so we're lynching sicklucker like...immediately and unanimously at the start of next phase right?
spends most of phase talking about why geript is mafia, randomly shennanie hammers a town for no stated reason coming off of the guy he hast stated is role hunting and mafia....guy was mafia last phase, still mafia this phase. needs to die immediately. like 0 questions asked. Welcome back to the land of the living. (I apologize in advance if anyone died in the ER.) What happened to pushing this read when you had a chance to get him lynched?
i mean, i don't like making excuses and don't like reading people's excuses, but i am young without a family, so i am an ideal candidate for working 12 hr shifts in the ER during the holidays. pays out the ass tho.
you're right i probably could have and should have pushed for my lynch more. i won't make that error again because apparently we shannanie onto stupid targets for no good reasons. and my scum reads hammer them.
sicklucker needs to die immediately, his vote on bats makes no sense is ridiculous and the most deflective crap ever off of someone he spent all day railing against.
after that marv needs to die because his read on me is still lazy, he hasn't delivered anything, and he seemed way too content with proceedings yesterday. did not even attempt to steer the message/agenda.
then after we are done with the 2 guaranteed mafia, i will probably have found more.
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eh that timeline stuff is pretty good....you might have sold me on vivax as mafia.
add him to the pile with SL and marv.
don't know why everyone here is avoiding talking about SL like he is the plague, the guy is the most clear mafia in the game.
first, he gives a light scum read on me early on in the game for some weird stuff about me not remembering a previous game and slaps his vote on me for nearly the entire phase. he then proceeds to not push that read or actively attempt to get me lynched in the slightest. he pursues trying to scum read other people while leaving his vote uselessly on me. then comes his geript read, something that he goes into a vast amount of detail on and actually develops his own non-meta reasons for reading geript scum. finally late in the phase he moves his vote onto geript. only to very quickly after that shennanie onto batsnacks for no stated reason and hammer a town who the best case on him was meta.
to summarize that 2nd point: he spent the majority of the phase developing HIS OWN non-meta scum read on geript only to defer to SOMEONE ELSE'S meta read on batsnacks without a damn word about it. that makes absolutely no sense, especially for him. he is a player who is relentless on his own reads and not quick to defer to others as town. this is not town SL, this is not town period; he is mafia and should be lynched immediately upon the start of the day.
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On January 02 2015 20:17 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 15:38 sicklucker wrote:
Towns in a really bad spot I think. I still feel like most of us if not all of us are town but now we look like shit. GAME OVER MAN. This has a flair of some cynical happyness that only scum can have.
i also don't get the "look like shit" part if he is town. being concerned with image and appearance is something mafia does.
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koshi can you explain your damdred read? or have you in your filter and i missed it?
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On January 02 2015 20:33 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 20:24 ritoky wrote:
koshi can you explain your damdred read? or have you in your filter and i missed it? No. It's pure gut. I can't explain it. He is also not somebody I wouldn't lynch D2 and maybe D3 if he kept up playing exactly like he is now. But I can't put him as town. He is off somehow.
hm, i will have to give his filter a re-read tomorrow morning then; i might have just filed him away as town after he gave a couple reads i liked early on.
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whole crapload of pages behind,
##vote: sicklucker
unless i see anything as i catch up that makes him not pretty much automatic mafia
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On January 03 2015 13:55 Eden1892 wrote:
OK, verdict is in.
I think sicklucker is town. I don't want to kill him today, maybe ever.
Yes it's derpy as hell that he says he changed his vote off geript to batsnacks because he "wasn't confident" in the read on geript, even though he has multiple posts that basically say geript is definitely mafia. But:
(1) His story on his four town reads is completely consistent and held up despite direct questioning. He had explicitly townread three of them and implicitly townread a fourth well before he justified his vote switch by sheeping his townreads.
(2) Sheeping one's townreads off of a vote you like to another wagon late is definitely something a townie would do, and seems like something a townie is more likely to do than a mafia, because a mafia would be worried about how bad "sheep townreads onto a town flip" would look afterwards.
(3) The stars had to have aligned colossally for sicklucker to be mafia and be able to make any kind of strategic switch to kill batsnacks with the rationale that he sheeped his four most consistent town reads. You can't make this up.
There's a lot of things really wrong with this defense of SL.
1) It is a post-flip justification not a pre-flip justification; there's a large difference there. He waited around until after people brought up points against him to lay out why he decided to vote swap. If he had been forthright then maybe this is a point, he wasn't so it is not.
2) Sheeping the people you read as town is something people do as either alignment particularly when all of them move. The 2nd part of this seems to imply that geript is mafia. If SL is mafia and both geript is town and bats was town, then it looks equally bad regardless of which you finally land on. However this looks really bad because of points I brought up earlier that I will reiterate in a moment.
3) Talk is cheap, post flip-excuses are easy to find. Votes and vote logic or lack thereof are definitive things, SL drastically lacked. This is a person who is SO adamant about his own reads. He spent an entire phase developing a scum read on geript and from everything I have read up until here that read has not evaporated in the slightest. Only to defer to SOMEONE ELSE'S read that is based on meta. Like I cannot get over this. Why would he as town, with the way I remember him playing town, switch from a non-meta read that he devoted effort into developing to someone else's meta read? It makes absolutely no sense, and he is mafia for it.
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On January 04 2015 08:10 sicklucker wrote:
I dont have any "meta" read ritoky and nothing you just said makes me mafia
you believed in jat's lynch on bats. jat's lynch on bats was almost entirely a meta case. you elected to defer from your non-meta case on geript to believe jat's meta case on bats. that is not something you do as town. you are not town.
you also had that post worrying about looking like shit. appearances and perception are for mafia.
On January 02 2015 15:38 sicklucker wrote:
Towns in a really bad spot I think. I still feel like most of us if not all of us are town but now we look like shit. GAME OVER MAN.
lynch this guy.
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On January 04 2015 08:13 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2015 08:12 sicklucker wrote:
like read ritokys case on me. Hes stuck on that I had a meta read on gerit. Thats not true at all where did this come from are you reading the thread? This is actually true. Ritokys posts are really awful.
i have yet to see a reason why SL is town in the entire thread.
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marv is still mafia too, his reads are really lazy and stale.
still think it's:
SL
marv
vivax
vivax because that post by koshi on sequencing is really good, altho when i looked in the vote thread i had some hesitations. maybe i will uncover more as i catch up
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On January 04 2015 08:18 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2015 08:15 ritoky wrote:On January 04 2015 08:13 justanothertownie wrote:On January 04 2015 08:12 sicklucker wrote:
like read ritokys case on me. Hes stuck on that I had a meta read on gerit. Thats not true at all where did this come from are you reading the thread? This is actually true. Ritokys posts are really awful. i have yet to see a reason why SL is town in the entire thread. and definitely no reasons why im mafia. Are you going to waste your day 2 afk voting on me and doing a half assed case? If your town at least try to make me look scummy today so I can properly read you as such.
what don't you understand here? you hammered a town with no pre-flip justification. your post-flip justification was sheeping your town reads. you sheeped a town read on a meta case on bats; instead of sticking to getting your lynch on geript who you had spent the entire phase developing a NON-meta scum read on. it's pretty open and shut imo. you're mafia.
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On January 04 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2015 08:18 ritoky wrote:
marv is still mafia too, his reads are really lazy and stale.
still think it's:
SL
marv
vivax
vivax because that post by koshi on sequencing is really good, altho when i looked in the vote thread i had some hesitations. maybe i will uncover more as i catch up Why are you bein so lazy ritoky? You did no vote analysis on what happened yesterday and no thought process sabout whats going on now? You said SL is mafia but you have vivax down but you vote SL over vivax who is the vote leader? Shouldn't you be happy with whats going on? What are you doing?
i am like 50 pages behind; and i think someone is confirmed mafia and want to lynch him because it is plain as day and every1 has the wool over their eyes. i am less sure on vivax, plus marv is voting on him and marv is mafia. so just lynch SL who is 99% mafia first.
voting analysis is hard when there's 1 vote. i will post it colored for myself soon when i catch up in the thread.
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On January 04 2015 08:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I can't tell bad from scum in Ritoky though. He just seems to be playing really badly.
then tell me why SL is town. i have asked multiple times and no1 is giving a reason.
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On January 04 2015 08:35 sicklucker wrote:
Well you see im actually playing this game and artanis can see my train of thought and has similar thoughts so he knows im town. Thats why you contribute even if your bad so people can actually read you.
calling people bad when they ping you out as mafia, he's done it like 3x this page. mafia signs all over the place, am i seriously the only one seeing this?
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On January 04 2015 08:39 sicklucker wrote:
I dont call you bad for saying im mafia. Im calling you bad for saying im THE ONLY MAFIA
now you're just plain silly. you even quoted this post in response.
On January 04 2015 08:18 ritoky wrote:
marv is still mafia too, his reads are really lazy and stale.
still think it's:
SL
marv
vivax
vivax because that post by koshi on sequencing is really good, altho when i looked in the vote thread i had some hesitations. maybe i will uncover more as i catch up
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wow this is actually a read i really like.
On January 04 2015 05:37 Lazermonkey wrote:I'm actually super cool with killing Vivax atm. But since everyone else is as well, and there is no point in town afk for 48 hours and agree how scummy we think Vivax is, we might as well talk about someone else. Like Damdred. Damdred is not chasing scum. He is answering everyone very politely when they ask him questions and he is always really fast to answer suspicion on him. This is not necessarily bad, both town and scum wants to survive and be polite. But when that is ALL you do then there is something seriously wrong. Reading the last two pages of filter he has three suspects, me, SL and DH. But none of us are even close to get lynched atm. So, why would you ever prioritizing answer questions instead of pushing your scum reads? So what does Damdred think of the other relavant stuff? Like the guy who is about to get lynched, Vivax? Well, noone knows. While Damdred does mention Vivax in some contexts, the only time he even comes remotely close to taking any stance on Vivax is in this post Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 11:35 Damdred wrote:
I'm sorry for my absence, had parents and work today so got sucked away.
Quick thought list
I do not think i would lynch Chy today yea his going away post was kind of meh but he put the effort in to at least do it and his frustration really seems like its honest, and the tunnel on him this game is way different then the game he is linked to I think. Its way more concentrated here and I don't think he really can do much when hes being called scum for almost half the posts every page.
Koshi really brought up something good about vivax I think but i'm not sure that i like how geript is marching to his death here either. Not too impressive imo. BONUS FACT : Vivax never takes a stance on Damdred. Take that for what its worth but I think its very likely that we have both Vivax and Damdred as scum!
especially when you look at a post like this:
On January 04 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2015 08:18 ritoky wrote:
marv is still mafia too, his reads are really lazy and stale.
still think it's:
SL
marv
vivax
vivax because that post by koshi on sequencing is really good, altho when i looked in the vote thread i had some hesitations. maybe i will uncover more as i catch up Why are you bein so lazy ritoky? You did no vote analysis on what happened yesterday and no thought process sabout whats going on now? You said SL is mafia but you have vivax down but you vote SL over vivax who is the vote leader? Shouldn't you be happy with whats going on? What are you doing?
he doesn't seem really all that indignant or perturbed in terms of tone. it is just too calm, like he is completely content.
that and damdred seems to be moving his scum reads to whomever is in season rather than holding to them. i remember him being more firm as town. he could be mafia too.
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i also notice that damdred makes a lot of people's scum lists as a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th scum; but never really gets pushed that much or voted on. hm, lazer might be onto something here.
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On January 04 2015 09:07 Damdred wrote:
I'm not really getting ritokys read on me, people say i'm defensive ritoky says i'm completely content. I really smell bullshit honestly. The game marches forward I should take in all the evidence and re evaluate as I go along, Ritoky says i'm moving my reads to whoever is in season? But I think i've been pretty consistant with who i've went after so far.
On January 01 2015 03:21 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 03:17 justanothertownie wrote:On January 01 2015 03:16 Damdred wrote:On January 01 2015 02:52 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 01 2015 02:36 Damdred wrote:On January 01 2015 02:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
Soo, about the 3 "protagonists"
Eden - Attacked DH for his policy-post. While I agree with his points about policy-lynching, it felt wierd (as some others pointed out) that he called DHs post "stiff and akward timed" while still saying he was town and yet ends up saying DH is town. Not reading to much into this though, as I felt he explained himself well later on regarding the DH-post. His interactions with DH seems possible both from town and scum. He attacks Chyz which is nice though.
DH - Got discussion going early on, posted alot (even though some of it was pretty bad). Not lynching today.
rik - tunneled the shit out of DH, didn't post much else. Tunneling is really non-alignment indicative. I'm null on him. Your eden post has no real conclusion, are you reading them scum null or town? This read feels a bit fabricated to me I'm not sure what to make of your DH read, what was so bad that he posted to you? Why would you not lynch someone today just because they posted a lot even if a lot of it was bad to you? Rit got discussion going also the same as DH and posted a good bit but you don't give him the same pass? Why? Overall this reads pretty fabricated and scummy to me We are halfway in D1. The Eden and Rit reads are very inconclusive because they've said very little of value this far. DH got the discussion going more than Rit did (that is my impression at least). Compare their filters. I won't argue that drh has a bigger filter than ritoky, because its obviously the truth. At the time of your reads you had their argument and drh pushing his scum read. However I disagree that Eden and rit have said little of value a lot of discussion has happened around them so you should be able to take a stance. Hell your Eden read seems like a scum read without you saying that they are scum The fact that people are talking about does not mean that you said anything of value. I kinda agree that ritoky said nothing of value. I think I somewhat disagree, I think its valuable because of being able to figure out alignments. But that's not exactly my point. The point is laz is giving drh a free pass for the day even though he says deh says a lot of bad things but its more of a null read. (reads like setting up a mislynch later) The Eden read seems like a scum read without any real conclusions. And the rit part is just null. I just don't like where he's going and seems made up a bit
here's you being overly polite.
On January 02 2015 02:39 Damdred wrote:
You put a good bit of work in but i'm just not sure if that makes him mafia necessarily.
abbreviated quote for space, here's it again with you commenting on drH's case.
i mean i am like 2 pages in with 5 examples i can pull of you being excessively polite when there's no cause. i like lazer's read. i don't think you're defensive in the slightest i think you're content. people reading you otherwise have a poor read.
your scum reads are not consistent at all. first and foremost here's the best i can make of your d1 scum reads:
lazer slight scum read altho you weren'tfully on the gas (but no vote). then no more all day. then shennanie on bats for bad reason.
your n1 scum reads:
On January 03 2015 03:35 Damdred wrote:
SL I think would be the scum there especially since he ws the hammer vote I believe and even though he stated he wanted to hammer geript he didn't do it then sounded pretty smug after the flip.
outside of SL you bring back up your lazer read, suddenly after seeing drH as town all day the previous day you have a scum lean on him.
end of night phase:
On January 03 2015 13:52 Damdred wrote:
Sl I think is super suspect with how he's been acting and jumping back and forth.
robik idk he could be scum but more bullish for now.
your lazer read is neglected (only consistent read), robik has appeared out of thin air and SL is still scummy. drH is gone again.
todays reads:
On January 04 2015 08:54 Damdred wrote:
I actually would rather lynch into super, lazer and ritoky now.
suddenly lazer is back, i have made an appearance, and super is here; but robik is gone.
I wouldn't call this consistent.
lazer/bats -> SL/lazer/drH -> SL/robik -> Lazer/super/ritoky
I would in fact call that quite seasonal.
Your only consistent read is lazer. Further it is almost like you're distinctively attempting to avoid reading what people call "tier 1 players". You don't give definitive stances in terms of scum reads on almost any major thing happening in the game. So either you think all of these people are town fighting in which case you're not doing much to stop it or you are positioning yourself to have no real definitive stance so you can fall on whatever side is best for you. So pardon me if I think that lazer has a couple good points and after i heeded koshi's advice to look at your filter I found my own question marks. (see what i did there with the over-politeness?)
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on phone, only have like 5 minutes. apparently SL claimed cop since i last was able to read the thread. guess he is not the lynch today, evaluate claim later.
want to vote vivax, marv, maybe damdred. so for now: ##vote: vivax
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On January 06 2015 17:05 sicklucker wrote:
Towns getting lynched is whatever. Look at mspaint where me dandred,slam,and chezinu were all mafia. We steam rolled them so hard and had a 50/50 shot that no one tried . We got overconfident lurked and didnt try then all got killed in quadriple lylo.
Ritoky, palmer, super are doing this basically probably your partners.
Naw I turned it on late game and steam rolled you fools.
Been away for a while cuz of irl stuff. Take that for what you will. Incoming flurry of posts.
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