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IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 07 2015 20:18 GMT
#5641
On January 08 2015 05:17 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 05:01 IAmRobik wrote:
why is ritoky scum?

He has spent about 0 time to push people that are relevant. He has still not commented on Superbia, and while he has Vivax as a scum read (for some very uncertain reasons, I might add) he has done jack shit about getting Vivax lynched. He is simply really uninterested in trying to get a good lynch.

i wasn't asking you. i was asking palmar who came in herea nd sheeped the top wagon and then basically fucked off with providing no information and not saying why he was voting him other than "the only two people we should vote today are superbia and ritoky"

fuck that. fuck him. he's scum. goodbye
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 07 2015 20:20 GMT
#5642
Actually...don't put too much pressure on him so that he can't fake claim cop and weasel his way out of a lynch -- which is what he's preparing to do with the "what I'm doing now should be confirming me as town to you." and the "Because if nothing else I want to be around to defend myself to make it interesting."

We'll lynch him in a CFD at like 11pm EST when he's fast asleep
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 07 2015 20:20 GMT
#5643
##vote palmer
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22408 Posts
January 07 2015 20:21 GMT
#5644
Essentially, for the last few pages I should be townread for effort. For being misinformed about mafia KP mechanics they know very well from the very start of the game while townies dont unless they read the shit Alakaslam accepted when Koshi told him to.

Cause in my misinformation I lashed out at LM scumreading SL for not going after Sicklucker when I presented information for him being scum, this quote right here :

That's cause LM was aware that scum Kp was ONE and hence didn't feel like he could use it as an argument against this :
We cant lynch who vivax says because with only 1 mislynch left we lose regardless if hes right or wrong.

This is now the slip.
First: We have 2 mislynches left, not one as SL claims.
Second: I was antertaining the option that if they have 2 vigs out there and they can still shoot at anytime, how does it make sense that SL is so sure that whatever we lynch of the scumreads, we lose. Wouldn't he be supposed to think that only in the case that scum has still 2 KP in the next night?

On January 08 2015 04:42 IAmRobik wrote:

To sound townie. Because asking questions in game as opposed to privately to the mod as I may or may not have been doing is wifom and mafia can be sneaky devils


Well now you can read the above and admire how I shit townieness by pointing out thie interesting things in this complex matter.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 07 2015 20:21 GMT
#5645
Dammit robik tell me that faster
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 07 2015 20:21 GMT
#5646
On January 08 2015 05:18 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 05:17 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 08 2015 05:01 IAmRobik wrote:
why is ritoky scum?

He has spent about 0 time to push people that are relevant. He has still not commented on Superbia, and while he has Vivax as a scum read (for some very uncertain reasons, I might add) he has done jack shit about getting Vivax lynched. He is simply really uninterested in trying to get a good lynch.

i wasn't asking you. i was asking palmar who came in herea nd sheeped the top wagon and then basically fucked off with providing no information and not saying why he was voting him other than "the only two people we should vote today are superbia and ritoky"

fuck that. fuck him. he's scum. goodbye

Right.

But you are not convinced that ritoky are scum so thats why I said that. Do you agree with the points that I presented? If not, why?
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 07 2015 20:22 GMT
#5647
On January 08 2015 05:21 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 05:18 IAmRobik wrote:
On January 08 2015 05:17 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 08 2015 05:01 IAmRobik wrote:
why is ritoky scum?

He has spent about 0 time to push people that are relevant. He has still not commented on Superbia, and while he has Vivax as a scum read (for some very uncertain reasons, I might add) he has done jack shit about getting Vivax lynched. He is simply really uninterested in trying to get a good lynch.

i wasn't asking you. i was asking palmar who came in herea nd sheeped the top wagon and then basically fucked off with providing no information and not saying why he was voting him other than "the only two people we should vote today are superbia and ritoky"

fuck that. fuck him. he's scum. goodbye

Right.

But you are not convinced that ritoky are scum so thats why I said that. Do you agree with the points that I presented? If not, why?

doesn't matter. we're lynching palmar today
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 07 2015 20:23 GMT
#5648
On January 08 2015 05:21 Vivax wrote:
Essentially, for the last few pages I should be townread for effort. For being misinformed about mafia KP mechanics they know very well from the very start of the game while townies dont unless they read the shit Alakaslam accepted when Koshi told him to.

Cause in my misinformation I lashed out at LM scumreading SL for not going after Sicklucker when I presented information for him being scum, this quote right here :

That's cause LM was aware that scum Kp was ONE and hence didn't feel like he could use it as an argument against this :
Show nested quote +
We cant lynch who vivax says because with only 1 mislynch left we lose regardless if hes right or wrong.

This is now the slip.
First: We have 2 mislynches left, not one as SL claims.
Second: I was antertaining the option that if they have 2 vigs out there and they can still shoot at anytime, how does it make sense that SL is so sure that whatever we lynch of the scumreads, we lose. Wouldn't he be supposed to think that only in the case that scum has still 2 KP in the next night?

Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 04:42 IAmRobik wrote:

To sound townie. Because asking questions in game as opposed to privately to the mod as I may or may not have been doing is wifom and mafia can be sneaky devils


Well now you can read the above and admire how I shit townieness by pointing out thie interesting things in this complex matter.

we only have 1 if DrH is modkilled
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 07 2015 20:23 GMT
#5649
On January 08 2015 05:21 Vivax wrote:
Essentially, for the last few pages I should be townread for effort. For being misinformed about mafia KP mechanics they know very well from the very start of the game while townies dont unless they read the shit Alakaslam accepted when Koshi told him to.

Cause in my misinformation I lashed out at LM scumreading SL for not going after Sicklucker when I presented information for him being scum, this quote right here :

That's cause LM was aware that scum Kp was ONE and hence didn't feel like he could use it as an argument against this :
Show nested quote +
We cant lynch who vivax says because with only 1 mislynch left we lose regardless if hes right or wrong.

This is now the slip.
First: We have 2 mislynches left, not one as SL claims.
Second: I was antertaining the option that if they have 2 vigs out there and they can still shoot at anytime, how does it make sense that SL is so sure that whatever we lynch of the scumreads, we lose. Wouldn't he be supposed to think that only in the case that scum has still 2 KP in the next night?

Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 04:42 IAmRobik wrote:

To sound townie. Because asking questions in game as opposed to privately to the mod as I may or may not have been doing is wifom and mafia can be sneaky devils


Well now you can read the above and admire how I shit townieness by pointing out thie interesting things in this complex matter.



No we have 2 but as I said its unlikely doctor will get replaced so far into the game so hes a likely mod kill. Well im not sure but if doctors out it could be 1. Thats why im saying 1. read better
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 07 2015 20:24 GMT
#5650
actually...what you just said isn't bad vivax. SL might be scum. He's talking as if DrH is confirmed town. Either he's cop with a green on him (which is doubtful since he hasn't mentioned him much) or he's scum with the knowledge the DrH is town.

you might be onto something sir
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 07 2015 20:24 GMT
#5651
Like theres no town vegies its an open setup vivax its time to walk away from your keyboard
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 07 2015 20:25 GMT
#5652
On January 08 2015 05:24 IAmRobik wrote:
actually...what you just said isn't bad vivax. SL might be scum. He's talking as if DrH is confirmed town. Either he's cop with a green on him (which is doubtful since he hasn't mentioned him much) or he's scum with the knowledge the DrH is town.

you might be onto something sir


omg your terrible
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 07 2015 20:26 GMT
#5653
Robik im very confident in whos scum and whos town in this game. Ive said like 5 times we have auto. Ya I know doctor is fucking town not because im scum but because im smart.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 07 2015 20:27 GMT
#5654
On January 01 2015 02:07 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm town

I'm also on the beach so I'm not reading the thread yet.

First page = geript and damdy trolling mafai.

Brb


Tone read. He wrote "O hai!" which sort of feels like one of these "Look how casual and chill I am, totally not mafia" (think what I said about marv's "bitch" last game.

Some scum points for that.

On January 02 2015 09:46 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 15:44 geript wrote:
On December 31 2014 15:35 Eden1892 wrote:
On December 31 2014 15:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On December 31 2014 15:22 Eden1892 wrote:
On December 31 2014 15:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Uh, I don't want to make your dick hard. I don't think anything about anyone yet.

On December 31 2014 15:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
That being said I'd like to show everyone my spreadsheet ranking Day 1 joke posts from least to most scummy.

what's up with the second post here though? seems like if you have opinions about which posts are suspicious you have opinions about which people are suspicious. non?

Seems like you take everything literally, we're gonna have problems if you waste your time with shit like this.

just checking, it seemed like a joke but i didn't want to supply that answer in case it weren't~

On December 31 2014 15:32 geript wrote:
On December 31 2014 15:27 geript wrote:
I'm more concerned about how you find a post that is "stiff and awkwardly timed," two traits that are more often considered mafia tells, towny? Can you explain that more fully? It's also pretty weird that you reasonably correctly point out that his post is going nowhere while simultaneously responding to it.

@Eden Explain.

sure, i'm not sure what you meant by "shut down this line" in the previous part of the post btw so if you want a reply to that please clarify for my addled brain

as for why i read it townie, like i said, it seemed like an effort to get discussion somewhere besides early-game banter, which imo wasn't going anywhere. i followed up on the post because even if the object-level discussion ends up being pretty pointless, i can get some possibly useful meta-level reads from it - and hey, maybe it is going somewhere and i miss it, y'know?

By shut it down, I mean shut down any further discussion on useless policy. Nobody needs to find policy to find discussion.
The problem with your "townread" is that your reasons for finding him town are complete bullshit. That post is a throwaway post that I could recite to newbies to "get discussion going" as either alignment and potentially useful dependent on how it's driven and moved (even moreso to scum imo not that it matters). There actually were things to be talked about in the thread already (my townread on Damdred, the ??? on sicklucker who IIRC also made a passing townread on Damdred, Robik not posting anything while making a few posts, etc.). It's odd that you comment that his post was stiff and awkwardly timed, two bad reasons that people's posts are often called scummy for and then settle on a bad reason to call him town for it. As for meta reads, what type of meta reads do you expect will lead to any sort of meaningful read off of policy discussion?



Like, THIS post is very townie. It correctly reads Eden and his reasoning seems very fluid. It also keeps discussion going on, and he keeps the push on Eden. I find this very townie.


is the bolded TMI? He was defending geript at the point but was completely unsuccessful in stopping the wagon on him. Also the reasons he thinks this is townie are quite fluffy. "keeps discussion going" is hardly a thing.

Some more scum points

On January 02 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:
I'll read the game in 3 hours and give you guys reads. But you can't lynch anyone other than marv when he has got only 3 pages of filter.

The wi fi works poorly here in the hotel. I'm gonna rent some hours in the lobby's computer.


I gave him town points for this at the time, and probably still should. Then again, marv is unlikely to dispute this as town, because it's essentially correct AND has very little chance to actually be pushed through.

Don't know if town, or calculated risk, or scumbuddies (another form of calculated risk).

Slight town points.


GB seems to have changed his mind a lot during day 1:

On January 01 2015 09:47 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I've started reading the game a bit before New Years Eve and I must say I don't like DrH opening, geripts call on damdred and I have a slight townread on Eden.



On January 02 2015 10:08 GlowingBear wrote:
I've read until page eighteen yet, and I don't like:
Eden
Sicklucker
Ritoky

Ritoky being more of a null. Just saw a post or him on page 16 that was horrible.


Complete 180 on Eden. In the wrong direction in my opinion (I started out thinking Eden was mafia for some interaction, with DrH I think? The one marv agreed was weird, but he kinda grew on me). I also think he had some back and forth with his vote on geript. But I can't remember what it exactly was.

On January 03 2015 07:40 GlowingBear wrote:
I actually want to lynch half of the players list


Town points for this. Calling everyone mafia is usually rather townie, because mafia tends to want to make friends rather than enemies, and calling everyone mafia is a good way to make enemies.

***

Actually I'm just stopping here.

I read his case on me, and it is essentially correct. It just doesn't mean I was mafia (he was 100% correct that I wrote that post because I wanted to contribute despite being somewhat behind, I just wanted to do it to help, not to look like I was helping. Like I wanted to throw some ideas out there). Like I'm literally gonna give him a townread for writing a wrong case on me.

He has a ton of post that look sort of town actually, so despite most of the posts I wrote above I'm just gonna assume GB is town.

Here's a few examples of posts I saw while skimming his filter that oculd be from town.

On January 08 2015 03:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Give me
ONE REASON
For why I'm mafia.
ONE REASON.


On January 08 2015 03:18 GlowingBear wrote:
Stop this stupidity


Also I think I got from his filter that he wanted to kill sicklucker for the claim. I think that's actually a fairly town move because mafia would most likely not want to push an un-ccd cop even if that cop is being a bit of a dick with it.

Idk, too much of GB's filter feels sort of unforced, although there are some bad spots in there too. I'm not 100% certain on it, but I think it's enough to give him a pass. He changes his mind a lot, calls a lot of people mafia, seems not worried about his own look at all, doesn't try to make friends etc etc.

Imma not lynch GB.


Computer says mafia
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 07 2015 20:29 GMT
#5655
On January 08 2015 05:16 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 05:14 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 08 2015 05:07 IAmRobik wrote:
you're making a very compelling case for why i should lynch you today plammmmar

Noone is lynching Palmar though. While I agree with you that he is playing really really stupid and could very well be scum, he simply isn't getting lynched today.

oh yeah? watch me

##vote: palmar


Finally.
##Votealmar
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 07 2015 20:32 GMT
#5656
Oh.

The buddying is real
I'm adorable.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 07 2015 20:34 GMT
#5657
@palmer I happen to know at least some mafia called me scum and pushed me with no cc at all points of the game because of poe

so calling gb town for that is probably not a good idea
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 07 2015 20:36 GMT
#5658
On January 08 2015 05:34 sicklucker wrote:
@palmer I happen to know at least some mafia called me scum and pushed me with no cc at all points of the game because of poe

so calling gb town for that is probably not a good idea


And how do you know?
I'm adorable.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 07 2015 20:37 GMT
#5659
Because fucking 5 people did it and two of them are ritoky and super who are like confirmed?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 07 2015 20:37 GMT
#5660
Anyway this is kind of helpful now if we lynch you and your mafia I wont kill gb.
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