finally caught up in the thread, don't have a lot of time because new years is a busy day in the ER; just gonna copy/paste my notes in the thread; sorry i can't be more engaged:
note - trying not to null read anyone from this point forward, list everyone as town or scum unless they haven't posted
koshi - his wording in certain cases seems like he is trying to appease (i.e. "TheChyz is not scummy to me. I am not saying he is a townread but the case Dr.H. makes is not how I read Chyz." and other cases of not saying people's alignment ex: calling me and drh meh), says needs something new and fresh doesn't make it happen. mafia pile
gb - did his "not reading the thread" shtick which he did as town twice before, done nothing else. town pile
*geript - start of game was town: jokes, prodding, pushing for answers, calling someone's case horrible. did mafia thing where promised information in terms of meta reads on people, hasn't delivered. dunno why, think this post is super town: "At some point yah. But I'd like to have a read on most of the people in the game. There's way too many inactives right now. Maybe when I reread I'll realize I'm being dumb idk. We'll see." could be wrong, look into again later. town pile for now*
artanis - asking questions, pushing for answers to his questions, him being "torn" about chyz seems a little odd not enough to worry now, but watch to see how that read develops. town pile
lazer - says won't lynch drh, then null reads me for essentially the same reason. makes not very much sense. has a torn sentiment on geript like me and skeptical of koshi like me. could be wrong, but read too strange. mafia pile
marv - supposedly great town player, managed 2nd page of filter while doing remarkably little. read on me seems lazy and inaccurate. mafia pile
^jat - bleeding town out of every orofice. town pile^
*robik - made it to almost 2 pages of his filter while complaining about not having time to play, could have spent time playing. promises to wreck, worth waiting until tomorrow to see because strong town player. town pile*
thechyz - posts seem incredibly honest...can't place finger on it. could be slight donkey, but really seemed concerned about thread direction. snap omgus'd drH, which seems more town responsive in the context. town pile
palmar - agree with lots of his reads, don't like excuses. town pile
damdred - has a non-lazy meta read on me as opposed to marv. pushing thread in productive direction and correcting others for misrepresenting people's arguments. town pile
*batsnacks - someone (look up later) said batsnacks has been playing differently. seems like same town batsnacks to me. could have bad read on him. town pile*
SL - bizarre play. seemed to be trying to defuse me and drH arguing early, has weird interaction where he demands i have a read on him, when i don't. formulates a bunch of random thoughts in regards to me not remembering previous game. no idea what he is talking about in the slightest. none of his other reads are formulated in a coherent way, done nothing townie. mafia pile
vivax - no post
*kels - evolving reads, when i was mafia last game with him had static reads that didn't change much of the game, currently his reads seem more fluid, probably town or got better at mafia. this was the guy who said bats playing differently, watch that read. town pile*
ritoky - town jesus
drH - guy contradicting himself all over the place. stupid policy crap, doesn't follow through. forgotten about it entirely at this point. no idea what he is doing. dumpster case on chyz, pot calling kettle black. calling out for hypocrisy not because he is actually scum. has largest filter, probably town unfortunately. is most likely donkey, be wary of his reads they may be bad. town pile
eden - town town town. giving reads unprovoked, not folding when pressured, commenting when unsolicited. seems invested in reads makes very good point about the timing of chyz's post and people exploiting it to get a read on chyz even though the situation had kinda already defused itself. town pile
*rebirth - "i'm here guys! notice me senpai!" into nothing. scum pile for now*
superbia - no post
Post comes in half-way through the day and he feels confident enough placing everyone in either a mafia or a town pile. Notice how there is literally no town-paranoia whatsoever in this post. This fucking screams TMI/mafia.
Bonus scum points for not doing anything with his reads (there's a reason his tunnel on SL got literally no traction, it's because he wasn't really trying). Doesn't even try to interact with others scum-reading the people in his town-list and subsequently one of them being killed off. What happened? Did you end up flipping on them? If so, why? Were you okay with the direction the lynch was going?
town post. Correctly analyses ritoky lack of town willingness to solve the game. Clear thought process revealed
On January 04 2015 06:07 Superbia wrote: Also LazerMonkey is probably mafia. Starts off tunneling chyz with meh reasons (which is sort of townie). Tunnel starts wearing off and Lazer then gets ninjad by the very same chyz (p33) providing a similar opinion on someone (I think Koshi), which should give an instant town boner.
Lazer starts off the very next day by apologizing on tunneling on chyz too hard (#850), which implies chyz is town (TMI). Great, so chyz should be in your town-circle then, right? Nope, when others start pushing hard on chyz, lazer is just like "lol, I guess I'm okay with lynching chyz" (not exact quote).
Why the fuck would you ever be okay with lynching chyz after all this? You had the information from pushing him early on. Which, from both an objective perspective and your posts, leads me to believe he was town in your eyes.
Original opinion dropped on thread, accurate call on Monkeys contradiction
On January 04 2015 09:36 Superbia wrote: Already talked about ritoky and lazer.
Geript feels the exact same as the last game I played in (where he was mafia): 1. Starts off tryhard and gets serious very quickly like he has something to prove. 2. Pretty much a non-agenda during d1. Says a bunch of somewhat townie shit, but pushes on nothing. 3. Then tunnels on a vet (marv now, HF then).
Also HARD READS marv mafia, after which he just votes batsnacks (which he didn't even believe in, whatsoever) followed by vivax out of nowhere, the two other wagons. He never votes marv, HIS HARD SCUM READ. Then the whole non self-preservation vote debacle, which has been discussed. I believe the self-preservation vote was unnecessary because he had team mates riding the vote train read to switch over if necessary (using the incredibly bad excuse dubbed "shenanigans").
SickLucker loves to focus on himself when he's town (played with him in campus mafia, where he was town and I was mafia), which he has not done this game at all. I'm not a 100% sure if he has changed up his gameplay or what, but I'm expecting town SL to call himself confirmed town every 3 posts, usually based on something ridiculous. This game has been completely different from his town game.
Like the guy literally says I wasted my vote when he is scum-reading ritoky himself. What?
Also associative read if geript is scum (which I believe).
This is 100% flat out a false explanation of my play in Russian. There's huge differences in my play there and here. Not just in activity but also in purpose. I made huge pushes on multiple days and nights and kept town completely off kilter in Russian. I made a case on Damdred, HF, major points on Marv, case on SnoMan which forced him to claim. This is basically just completely wrong and misrespresenting my play in Russian and any sort of comparison here. This is exceptionally scummy.
I have reviewed the game afterwards to see if I could get some scum-tells for a next game since you were nowhere near my scum-list in that game. The points I went over are the scum-tells I have on you and the points I have extracted from that game.
1. Your opening in russian mafia was remarkably try-hard, like you had something to prove. I remember specifically calling you out for it and finding it sort of scummy at the time. Forgetting about it was a mistake, since you were scum. You did the exact same thing this game (even though I was not around to call you out for it).
2. Looking back at the game, you only had an agenda on the surface. You said a bunch of townie shit and soft-pushed on a number of people with no real followup. In the end (of d1), you made a single case on HF.
3. You only tunneled and hard-pushed on HF during d1, and even this I felt was quickly abandoned as your case gained no traction (you also did not look for it to gain any traction).
Admittedly, I only looked at d1 of that game, so I do not particularly recall the whole sn0 business (i.e. who started the push and why).
On January 05 2015 06:38 Superbia wrote: Ah Robik, can you explain why you put me at the top of your scumlist?
I EXPLAINED IT BEFORE. GO FUCKING READ MY FILTER. I LITERALLY EXPLAINED IT TWO SECONDS AFTER YOU ASKED ME THE FIRST TIME. I'M NOT GOING TO FUCKING KEEP REPEATING IT. YOU HAD 2 POSTS ON DAY ONE AND THEY WERE BOTH TRASH AND THEN YOU DISAPPEARED. ME AND EDEN WERE ON THE SAME WAVELENGTH.
So not playing d1 is alignment indicative? Indicative enough for me to be your top-scum? I would like to point you to a game (fanfic crossover) in which I was also unable to play d1 and I ended up being town. Spoiler alert: you did not read me mafia that game even though it's essentially the same situation. You were town that game. What's up with that?
Also the all-caps is very convincing.
I didn't play d1 and I still had 30x as many posts as you. You didn't play much on N1 either. You should be embarrassed of your performance if you're town.
You didn't play d1 that game? Why does that matter?
The fact is that you're reading me scum here for a (bad) reason, while you did not read me scum before in another game in a similar situation in which you were town.
How do you explain that?
It isn't a bad reason at all
This is not imperative to my argument.
1. Robik plays in fanfic crossover. Superbia plays in fanfic crossover. Superbia does not play day 1. Robikdoes not scum-readSuperbia for not playing day 1.
2. Robik plays in imperial. Superbia plays in imperial. Superbia does not play day 1. Robikscum-readsSuperbia for not playing day 1.
Reasonable argument against Robik. Seems to come from an outraged town perspective. He was already asking why he was on Robik's top scumread list. He clearly was having suspicions on Robik having this bought process in mind
lazy to look for more, but these things makes me believe that he means town and that he, at the very least, avoiding he the lunch for today.
Now, I think Chez is maybe a good lynch, at least for next days. Votecount day1 really reflects to TheChyz being mafia.
I could also lynch ritoky for that stuff he did at start of D1. Just came super off to me how he entered the thread with that question when I reread it yesterday, it looked like he was looking for any reason to scumread somebody, and don't tell me that's what townies do as some flipped townies (geript, Eden) there were still in the phase of bantering. RItoky's posts were just odd. He tried to scumread DrH for not scumreading Damdred for a scumclaim joke and did so in a very timid way.
Actually I'll vote for him instead of LM now that I recalled all that. Voted LM cause I read GBs stuff on Super and Super'S argument on LM was actually good and made me remember how LM also kept posting wrong information on me on two occasions when people wanted to lynch me before realizing he was saying something wrong cause he misread.
##Unvote ##Vote Ritoky
Anyway these two dudes are scum. All my other scumreads now I'm ignoring cause nobody wants to lynch them anyway. Will have to think again about Palmar as marv is currently the only guy on the ritoky wagon, but it still bugs me as hell he's alive D3 and he didn't lead a lynch on scum and nobody except Palmar and me called him scum.
you have both this game made a big deal about filter length, super has a 5 page filter and a lot of it is him almost over defending himself against Robik's reasonable scumread on him. So I would imagine he would be pretty high on both your lynch list.
marv you also voted on super d2 and Viv when I asked you who you would lynch between rit and super you said "super"
you look at the votes on super. Marv it contains you, JAT who was town, SL (marv you read as town) and then Dam who I think is almost def town if SL is town.
I guess my question is what make ritoky a better lynch than super.
On January 07 2015 13:39 GlowingBear wrote: Actually, nevermind. Superbia obviously reads ritoky as mafia but does nothing to discover his alignment for the rest of the game.
They could very well be mafia together.
Also, if chez slot is town, I'd expect mafia to waste their votes and it totally fits this idea.
The difficult part is that I find hard to believe bats wagon was pure town.
Dandred could be mafia. Hes playing a decent town game if he is but not amazing
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