EPTOn December 31 2014 18:53 Palmar wrote:
Should I be sheeping you on geript batsnacks?
Should I be sheeping you on geript batsnacks?
Sure why not?
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
Sure why not? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
No that's not how it goes, you're meant to tell me why I should! | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
First of all I agree with Chyz that the early conversation between Dr.H and ritoky was useless. Dr.H. his first post was pretty mafia to me btw. It had a paragraph about policy lynching liars, policy lynching mass claims (really? There are 2 roles) and then a last paragraph questioning the thread how they feel about lurkers. I really dislike that part: On December 31 2014 15:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote: How does everyone feel about lurking players? Lower than expected activity can indicate blue just as much as scum. Why so indecisive about the lurkers? Why ask the cop to check lurkers? Smart town play is to prevent lurkers, to say you will bring down hell on lurkers, and then maybe not follow up on it when you find a good target. But what Dr.H. did here is say "hey mafia you can lurk, but we will cop check you when you do!". Or maybe he is already defending his lurking mafia bros? I don't like it. On December 31 2014 15:36 ritoky wrote: What's your policy on lynching people who claim scum? This reply is so boring. What is this going to accomplish? Damdred was making an obvious joke. Nobody was going to vote Damdred for that. Why is ritoky bullying Dr.H. into voting Damdred?? Ritoky himself doesn't believe Damdred is scum, what is the town perspective of bullying Dr.H. into voting Damdred? I don't get the entire conversation chain between Dr.H. and ritoky. If it was 2 scum shitting up the thread I applaud them. Because it worked. Long story short. I can see what TheChyz was saying about Dr.H. and ritoky. Second point about TheChyz in Dr.H his case is that TheChyz is completely wrong about Eden his wishy-washy defensive posts. I present you this: On December 31 2014 16:33 Eden1892 wrote: Lemme revisit this later, the appeals to me in here are setting off alarms but I can't tell if I'm being unfair/suffering from confirmation bias or if there's something there. I'll rattle off a brief idea of the problems and see if I still agree with it on a later read / if anyone else has anything to say about it. It makes me feel like I'm being buddied but again, I'm not sure I'm being fair. - The appeal both to my perceived innocence and alleged attention to detail and diligence bother me in a site meta-environment where, broadly speaking, aggressive asshole = town and not-aggressive-asshole = mafia. I actually feel really bad calling this out because I really would like to believe Doc is town and just not running with that meta-environment (which I would love, because I think it's not a fun meta-environment), but based on my past experiences here, these kinds of appeals are more likely to come from mafia than town than chance suggests. - Addendum to the above, my rough recollection of Ace is that he practically wrote the heuristic I mentioned above with his harsh but effective town plan, so it's (again?) incongruous to me that Doc plays a "read between the lines, bullying" game and then is nice and relatively uncritical of me in this post. - The appeals shifted toward something about being mad about not rolling scum that I swear I've only ever heard mafia say. Maybe my past experience is broken but it just feels off. Dafuq is Eden saying here? long story short. Again I agree with TheChyz. Tldr: I have TheChyz as pretty cool guy. Ritoky as meh. Dr.H. as meh. They are meh because I am feeling generous. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On December 31 2014 16:10 sicklucker wrote: Its weird because its either a. scummy because of why I just said b. A way to find a town for people who have played with him alot and know he does this. Can we kill ritoky so far hes attacked doctor and missed the sarcasm and now this. sicklucker can you explain what the issue is with ritoky attacking doctor? you have a huge town read on doctor at that point? | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
what I don't like is content of the case itself. You do repeat yourself a lot and that makes it hard to break down but essentially you don't like his reasons for "attacking" eden. The way I read the interaction is that he made his post where he didn't give a read and then you pushed him to give a read of his own and he had "my scumread is eden" for a few reasons..I agree they aren't very conclusive reasons. He says then that his read isn't conclusive just at that early moment in the game he has a slight scum read. Nothing wrong with that. His vote on you is a joke about garbage votes. So at this stage in the game you have a huge mafia post which due to a lack of real reasons ends up with a lot of repetition. Again I applaud the effort but I don't think chyz is scummy. Especially for the reasons you gave. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On December 31 2014 19:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Its clear what hes saying and.it was a fine response considering i was engaging him directly. Cherry picking. You gonna vote eden then? So basically you have no reads except that thechyz is town? Thanks. If I have no reads except thechyz, then why are you asking me to vote Eden? Please don't be dense. Thanks. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Reason: He is attacking me with a lie. Lynch all liars. Misrepresenting that I have 1 read when I have given my opinion on 4 people. I don't need that in this town. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On December 31 2014 20:22 Koshi wrote: ##Vote: DoctorHelvetica Reason: He is attacking me with a lie. Lynch all liars. Misrepresenting that I have 1 read when I have given my opinion on 4 people. I don't need that in this town. in his defence you did give two people as meh. chyz was town and who else did you give a read on? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On December 31 2014 20:29 KelsierSC wrote: in his defence you did give two people as meh. chyz was town and who else did you give a read on? I have no hard reads so I am not going to fabricate them out of air. Eden, Dr.H., Chyz, ritoky are the key people in the first 15 pages. I commented on them. That's more than fine for now. The question is why is Dr.H. attacking me? For not agreeing with his read? Then he should discuss it further with me, not attack me with some silly nonsense about me needing to vote for Eden, while he isn't voting for his hard scumread. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On December 31 2014 20:29 KelsierSC wrote: in his defence you did give two people as meh. chyz was town and who else did you give a read on? I suppose you do sort of call eden scummy when you say "I agree with chyz" I don't think DRH had an unreasonable statement , on first glance you only have one real read. if you don't count meh as a read. I read DRH as super eager , try hard town. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On December 31 2014 20:22 Koshi wrote: ##Vote: DoctorHelvetica Reason: He is attacking me with a lie. Lynch all liars. Misrepresenting that I have 1 read when I have given my opinion on 4 people. I don't need that in this town. you 4 real? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On December 31 2014 20:37 KelsierSC wrote: I suppose you do sort of call eden scummy when you say "I agree with chyz" I don't think DRH had an unreasonable statement , on first glance you only have one real read. if you don't count meh as a read. I read DRH as super eager , try hard town. meh because I was being generous. I got my eye on them both. I have been more than once the joker yelling at people to do stuff and make stuff up (aka exaggerate) to get the game going. So yeah, I can see Dr.H. being town. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On December 31 2014 20:44 Koshi wrote: meh because I was being generous. I got my eye on them both. I have been more than once the joker yelling at people to do stuff and make stuff up (aka exaggerate) to get the game going. So yeah, I can see Dr.H. being town. So why are you voting him then? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Because he annoyed me. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Literally the only hesitation is that I can't believe he would play exactly the same for another game running. Nothing else is very interesting. Chyz gets time. DrH didn't demonstrate Chyz was mafia, just maybe that he made a read he shouldn't have. tbc. | ||
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