Imperial Mafia - Page 2

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

December 31 2014 00:38 GMT

#220

If nobody joins I suggest to remove the scum vigi.

Without the scum vigi:
14 vs 6
13 vs 6 ml
12 vs 5 (scum nk, town vigi hits 1 scum)
11 vs 5 ml
9 vs 5 (scum nk, town vigi hits 1 town)
8 vs 5 ml
7 vs 5 and mylo (town needs safe from doc to make it to 4 ml)

And when vigi hits town only:
14 vs 6
13 vs 6 ml
11 vs 6 (scum nk, town vigi hits 1 town)
10 vs 6 ml
8 vs 6 (scum nk, town vigi hits 1 town)
7 vs 6 ml
6 vs 6 and loss after 3 ml. (Town needs 2 saves to get to 4 ml)

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

December 31 2014 00:45 GMT

#229

For 20 you could remove the vigi for town, and give scum a 2 shot vigi and play 15 vs 5.

15 vs 5
14 vs 5 ml
12 vs 5 (scum nk + scum vigi)
11 vs 5 ml
9 vs 5 (scum nk + scum vigi)
8 vs 5 ml
7 vs 5
6 vs 5 ml
5 vs 5 at the end of N4 without saves.

This means doc needs to save twice to give town a 5th ml.
This means scum got 2 kills for the first 2 nights to disrupt towncircles.
1 docsave means that town can try on D5 to lynch a scum. so they go in a lylo situation. With no saves they don't get that try.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

December 31 2014 00:52 GMT

#231

Also, rb + framer + 2 unaware millers seem a bit high against a doc/cop.

I would remove the rb then? or the 2 millers? I dnu.

Your setup :-)

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

December 31 2014 00:53 GMT

#234

On December 31 2014 09:52 justanothertownie wrote:

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So, 15 town with doc and cop against 5 scum with rb, framer and 2 shot scum vigi?

As vanilla as it gets

. Maybe remove 1 pr for scum.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

December 31 2014 00:58 GMT

#238

Sleep time now. Got to work tomorrow Oo. Evil.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

December 31 2014 09:23 GMT

#395

Eden didn't look too good early. Something with saying Dr.H. is town after making a big "I don't like this about Dr.H." post and then in his next post Eden is back to Dr.H. is scummy.

I'll look into TheChyz after some coffee and work.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

December 31 2014 10:41 GMT

#403

TheChyz is not scummy to me. I am not saying he is a townread but the case Dr.H. makes is not how I read Chyz.

First of all I agree with Chyz that the early conversation between Dr.H and ritoky was useless.

Dr.H. his first post was pretty mafia to me btw. It had a paragraph about policy lynching liars, policy lynching mass claims (really? There are 2 roles) and then a last paragraph questioning the thread how they feel about lurkers. I really dislike that part:

On December 31 2014 15:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
How does everyone feel about lurking players? Lower than expected activity can indicate blue just as much as scum.

Why so indecisive about the lurkers? Why ask the cop to check lurkers? Smart town play is to prevent lurkers, to say you will bring down hell on lurkers, and then maybe not follow up on it when you find a good target. But what Dr.H. did here is say "hey mafia you can lurk, but we will cop check you when you do!". Or maybe he is already defending his lurking mafia bros? I don't like it.

On December 31 2014 15:36 ritoky wrote:

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What's your policy on lynching people who claim scum?

This reply is so boring. What is this going to accomplish?
Damdred was making an obvious joke. Nobody was going to vote Damdred for that. Why is ritoky bullying Dr.H. into voting Damdred?? Ritoky himself doesn't believe Damdred is scum, what is the town perspective of bullying Dr.H. into voting Damdred?

I don't get the entire conversation chain between Dr.H. and ritoky. If it was 2 scum shitting up the thread I applaud them. Because it worked.

Long story short. I can see what TheChyz was saying about Dr.H. and ritoky.

Second point about TheChyz in Dr.H his case is that TheChyz is completely wrong about Eden his wishy-washy defensive posts. I present you this:

On December 31 2014 16:33 Eden1892 wrote:

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Lemme revisit this later, the appeals to me in here are setting off alarms but I can't tell if I'm being unfair/suffering from confirmation bias or if there's something there. I'll rattle off a brief idea of the problems and see if I still agree with it on a later read / if anyone else has anything to say about it. It makes me feel like I'm being buddied but again, I'm not sure I'm being fair.
- The appeal both to my perceived innocence and alleged attention to detail and diligence bother me in a site meta-environment where, broadly speaking, aggressive asshole = town and not-aggressive-asshole = mafia. I actually feel really bad calling this out because I really would like to believe Doc is town and just not running with that meta-environment (which I would love, because I think it's not a fun meta-environment), but based on my past experiences here, these kinds of appeals are more likely to come from mafia than town than chance suggests.
- Addendum to the above, my rough recollection of Ace is that he practically wrote the heuristic I mentioned above with his harsh but effective town plan, so it's (again?) incongruous to me that Doc plays a "read between the lines, bullying" game and then is nice and relatively uncritical of me in this post.
- The appeals shifted toward something about being mad about not rolling scum that I swear I've only ever heard mafia say. Maybe my past experience is broken but it just feels off.

Dafuq is Eden saying here?

long story short. Again I agree with TheChyz.

Tldr: I have TheChyz as pretty cool guy. Ritoky as meh. Dr.H. as meh. They are meh because I am feeling generous.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

December 31 2014 11:18 GMT

#407

On December 31 2014 19:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Its clear what hes saying and.it was a fine response considering i was engaging him directly. Cherry picking. You gonna vote eden then? So basically you have no reads except that thechyz is town? Thanks.

If I have no reads except thechyz, then why are you asking me to vote Eden?

Please don't be dense. Thanks.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

December 31 2014 11:22 GMT

#409

##Vote: DoctorHelvetica

Reason: He is attacking me with a lie. Lynch all liars. Misrepresenting that I have 1 read when I have given my opinion on 4 people. I don't need that in this town.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

December 31 2014 11:36 GMT

#411

On December 31 2014 20:29 KelsierSC wrote:

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in his defence you did give two people as meh. chyz was town and who else did you give a read on?

I have no hard reads so I am not going to fabricate them out of air.

Eden, Dr.H., Chyz, ritoky are the key people in the first 15 pages. I commented on them. That's more than fine for now.

The question is why is Dr.H. attacking me? For not agreeing with his read? Then he should discuss it further with me, not attack me with some silly nonsense about me needing to vote for Eden, while he isn't voting for his hard scumread.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

December 31 2014 11:44 GMT

#416

On December 31 2014 20:37 KelsierSC wrote:

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I suppose you do sort of call eden scummy when you say "I agree with chyz"

I don't think DRH had an unreasonable statement , on first glance you only have one real read. if you don't count meh as a read.

I read DRH as super eager , try hard town.

meh because I was being generous. I got my eye on them both.

I have been more than once the joker yelling at people to do stuff and make stuff up (aka exaggerate) to get the game going. So yeah, I can see Dr.H. being town.