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On December 31 2014 16:12 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2014 16:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
He just did post his own conclusions on geript lol. Why are you so on peoples nuts this early, you're treating everythinf like you're 5 minutes away from posting some earth shattering case That's because Eden keeps on coming across as more and more scummy the more he posts. Plus it's kinda what I do.
You know that was @ritoky right? I'm not sure what my post has to do with Eden. I think eden is town, I don't know. It's hard for me to read this kind of guy.
@Eden - I'm not much good at anything besides reading in between the lines and bullying (apprentice of Ace style), but when I start to see the things I understand and that jump out of me I really stick to it. I do think you're town and that since you seem to be pretty diligent and detailed I feel good about what you might be able to add or pick out of my cases later. I'm actually pissed I didn't roll scum in this game. I started playing mafia as scum in like 8 straight games and then really got it again. I do look at meta if I'm really suspicious of someone or can't figure out their behavior. It's too much of a pain in the ass to do if I'm not gonna really make use of it
On December 31 2014 16:10 sicklucker wrote:
Its weird because its either
a. scummy because of why I just said
b. A way to find a town for people who have played with him alot and know he does this.
Can we kill ritoky so far hes attacked doctor and missed the sarcasm and now this.
I've seen this guy before. He's either scum or believes that playing balls to the wall aggressive is the best way to make people sweat and maybe that's how he gets his reads. I'm cool with that if that's the case as long as he doesn't really try to push some bullshit like that "scum claim". TBH my policy on scum claiming is if I see a post that accuses someone of claiming scum I ignore it. I've only ever seen that phrase in kneejerk posts pretty much
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On December 31 2014 16:10 sicklucker wrote:
Can we kill ritoky so far hes attacked doctor and missed the sarcasm and now this.
If he was being sarcastic in regards to damdred then his policy is a crock of shit and makes no sense.
He is willing to give exemptions in his policy for people who are "joking"?
He clearly stated he wants to get people who are impediments to town by shitting up the thread, particularly with lies, out of the game. A guy claimed scum, that is right in his policy wheelhouse, yet he chooses to ignore it entirely and write it off as nothing. So either:
a) he doesn't actually give 2 shits about his policy and posted it as fluff to fill up the thread
b) his policy is a pile of shit
or c) he knows something about damdred's alignment and elected to ignore him claiming scum.
If someone is gonna claim policy and then elect not to push on people because there is a "joking" exemption; that is just a load of horse crap.
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what if i said "im mafia" would you totally flip your lid? you look really bad right now.
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You're clearly more concerned about flipping this (whatever this is) to make me look bad instead of the important thing which is your read on damdred. If you aren't 100% sure he's scum then there's nothing to even talk about, so I don't know what you're doing.
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On December 31 2014 16:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
what if i said "im mafia" would you totally flip your lid? you look really bad right now.
no, i would proceed to finding my 2nd scum.
you came into the thread trying to change the thread sentiment from whimsical to serious and then you didn't follow through on it at all. you're defensive, not trying to find scum, and you have already failed to follow your own established policy. you're mafia.
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If I didn't say anything or ignored your questions you'd say I was avoiding you instead of being defensive. Yawn.
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On December 31 2014 14:54 sicklucker wrote:
Mspaint. and No.
So like a scum dandred wont make a midnight opening joke post about him being mafia. Like who starts a mafia game at midnight. Scum would be more inclined to lurk untill tomorrow.
Im getting a slight town read from it. Dont see how you can get a strong read either way as in to like vote him. Awkward start of the game votes at the first thing they read piss me off.
it still ain't midnight in imperial sson
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On December 31 2014 16:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
You're clearly more concerned about flipping this (whatever this is) to make me look bad instead of the important thing which is your read on damdred. If you aren't 100% sure he's scum then there's nothing to even talk about, so I don't know what you're doing.
i think he made a joke that has 0 alignment indicative information in it. but i am not the one spouting crap about policy lynching liars and shitters. you are, yet you choose not to follow through on that.
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wouldn't your 2nd scum be damdred anyway? or do you not suspect damdred because this is all just bullshit and you're talking about nothing like i originally thought
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On December 31 2014 16:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
wouldn't your 2nd scum be damdred anyway? or do you not suspect damdred because this is all just bullshit and you're talking about nothing like i originally thought
Do you think damdred is scum?
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On December 31 2014 16:22 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2014 16:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
You're clearly more concerned about flipping this (whatever this is) to make me look bad instead of the important thing which is your read on damdred. If you aren't 100% sure he's scum then there's nothing to even talk about, so I don't know what you're doing. i think he made a joke that has 0 alignment indicative information in it. but i am not the one spouting crap about policy lynching liars and shitters. you are, yet you choose not to follow through on that.
Unless you can swing this into a bandwagon by yourself by some miracle I'm done wasting time with this
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Ritoky dandred did not break doctors "policys" He didnt "lie" he made a joke. I think your taking this too literal and doctor was totally making a joke as well. I think you look terrible attacking someone for making a joke about a joke.
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Why even bring up damdred claiming scum, something I dont sre h see that he even did if you dont think it matters? I didnt even know what you were talkimg about and youre trying to tie it into a fluff post i made to get the ball rolling. People are arguing and taking sides so I dont see it as that useless. Feel free to disagree, it doesnt matter because we are somewhere now.
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On December 31 2014 16:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2014 16:12 geript wrote:On December 31 2014 16:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
He just did post his own conclusions on geript lol. Why are you so on peoples nuts this early, you're treating everythinf like you're 5 minutes away from posting some earth shattering case That's because Eden keeps on coming across as more and more scummy the more he posts. Plus it's kinda what I do. @Eden - I'm not much good at anything besides reading in between the lines and bullying (apprentice of Ace style), but when I start to see the things I understand and that jump out of me I really stick to it. I do think you're town and that since you seem to be pretty diligent and detailed I feel good about what you might be able to add or pick out of my cases later. I'm actually pissed I didn't roll scum in this game. I started playing mafia as scum in like 8 straight games and then really got it again. I do look at meta if I'm really suspicious of someone or can't figure out their behavior. It's too much of a pain in the ass to do if I'm not gonna really make use of it
Lemme revisit this later, the appeals to me in here are setting off alarms but I can't tell if I'm being unfair/suffering from confirmation bias or if there's something there. I'll rattle off a brief idea of the problems and see if I still agree with it on a later read / if anyone else has anything to say about it. It makes me feel like I'm being buddied but again, I'm not sure I'm being fair.
- The appeal both to my perceived innocence and alleged attention to detail and diligence bother me in a site meta-environment where, broadly speaking, aggressive asshole = town and not-aggressive-asshole = mafia. I actually feel really bad calling this out because I really would like to believe Doc is town and just not running with that meta-environment (which I would love, because I think it's not a fun meta-environment), but based on my past experiences here, these kinds of appeals are more likely to come from mafia than town than chance suggests.
- Addendum to the above, my rough recollection of Ace is that he practically wrote the heuristic I mentioned above with his harsh but effective town plan, so it's (again?) incongruous to me that Doc plays a "read between the lines, bullying" game and then is nice and relatively uncritical of me in this post.
- The appeals shifted toward something about being mad about not rolling scum that I swear I've only ever heard mafia say. Maybe my past experience is broken but it just feels off.
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On December 31 2014 16:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Why even bring up damdred claiming scum, something I dont sre h see that he even did if you dont think it matters? I didnt even know what you were talkimg about and youre trying to tie it into a fluff post i made to get the ball rolling. People are arguing and taking sides so I dont see it as that useless. Feel free to disagree, it doesnt matter because we are somewhere now.
Because I think it is a joke that should probably not be regarded in the slightest., but policies like yours and people who maintain them don't leave gray areas for jokes. It is a policy. So you should not read it as a joke but as a scum claim. Yet you play it off like you're reading it as a joke. Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
You also don't seem to think damdred is scum.
On December 31 2014 15:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Yes. Slam dunk case. No point in him even defending himself really.
On December 31 2014 15:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I believe strongly in Lynch All Liars.
So should I lynch you according to your own policy? Cuz if you don't think he is scum for scum claiming then you just lied sir; even if it was supposedly sarcasm.
@SL i think his policy is crap, he isn't maintaining it, and suddenly he has "joke" exemptions. furthermore i think he is a hypocrite and uninterested in finding scum.
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On December 31 2014 16:22 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2014 16:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
You're clearly more concerned about flipping this (whatever this is) to make me look bad instead of the important thing which is your read on damdred. If you aren't 100% sure he's scum then there's nothing to even talk about, so I don't know what you're doing. i think he made a joke that has 0 alignment indicative information in it. but i am not the one spouting crap about policy lynching liars and shitters. you are, yet you choose not to follow through on that.
ritoky, where's this going? My recollection of you from our newbie game as an insightful player who catches crucial details and asks on-point questions isn't matching up with what I'm seeing unfold before me right now. You claim to have caught Doc lying by not pursuing a policy lynch on a joke. Do you think this actually makes him mafia?
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On December 31 2014 16:35 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2014 16:22 ritoky wrote:On December 31 2014 16:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
You're clearly more concerned about flipping this (whatever this is) to make me look bad instead of the important thing which is your read on damdred. If you aren't 100% sure he's scum then there's nothing to even talk about, so I don't know what you're doing. i think he made a joke that has 0 alignment indicative information in it. but i am not the one spouting crap about policy lynching liars and shitters. you are, yet you choose not to follow through on that. ritoky, where's this going? My recollection of you from our newbie game as an insightful player who catches crucial details and asks on-point questions isn't matching up with what I'm seeing unfold before me right now. You claim to have caught Doc lying by not pursuing a policy lynch on a joke. Do you think this actually makes him mafia?
i am a tunneler when i find something that doesn't add up, and i push until it does or that person dies.
this guy comes into the thread makes a grandiose entrance about how he is gonna push his policy, then doesn't follow through with his policy at all. he then starts making excuses about not following through with it because someone claiming scum was a joke. news flash, i know it was a joke, but policies don't account for people joking they are black and white.
nothing he has said thus far adds up to me understanding why he made an exemption in pushing the policy he wants to push in regards to damdred. he should have made at least a small comment about it and didn't; and when pushed to make a comment on it he responded with sarcasm, deflection, and being defensive.
also he immediately wants to discuss lynching lurkers, and anyone who has played with me before knows the statistic i cite so frequently: 86% of the time the first person to start suggesting lynching lurkers is mafia.
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^I do like this post a lot better; I got a similar vibe from what Doc was saying just from focusing on other details of what he was saying. It just felt odd that you were coming at him a lot over the joke posting, but if it works for you (and inasfar as I understand what I'm reading, I'd say it has, since you ended up with the same conclusion) then so be it.
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Like when doctors says policy liars hes specifically talking about towns fake claiming roles to take bullets or push their agenda. Hes not talking about what dandred did. Its a shame your tunneling on this because alot of your addon points right now were not terrible.
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Ninjaed edens probably town
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