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On January 09 2015 03:32 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 03:29 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'll be able to post in like an hour or two.
Damdred, kel and whoever thinks that is a good case: what would've been a good town move in my position? I claimed several times that I wouldn't lynch ritoky. You may disagree with my opinion on the matter, though that has not been the argument against me. Instead you say I am scummy for voting superbia.THERE WERE NO OTHER WAGON. Voting anyone BUT ritoky or superbia would've been really stupid at that point. So please tell me how you are not tunnelling me. Because we are taking actual examples of what happened in the thread and showing it. You said two posts before you voted superbia that you didn't want to lynch him, then you moved to super with your biggest scum read after trying to get a new wagon going. You could of stayed on Ritoky but you decided not to.
But I said like 1000 times that I wasn't willing to kill ritoky without a hard claim?
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Kel, I actually skimmed through all of your filter (Yhea, I know, I deserve a cookie). I think your reasons for suspecting me are pretty BS, and I don't really get how Damdred went from your (top?) scum read to a town read. Was it ONLY because of the fact that me and him probably aren't scum together and you think he is scum?
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On January 09 2015 06:01 KelsierSC wrote:
which of my reasons aren't very good?
Dam became a town read after geript flipped town and because the two of you are opposite alignments. Plus I think he had a towny d3 but mostly the first two reasons
Read my filter? I think its pretty obvious which of reasons are bad.
Why did geripts flip change your mind? And what specifically was it about damdreds D3 that impressed you? What did he do that makes you think that it is more likely that it comes from town than scum?
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On January 09 2015 06:20 KelsierSC wrote:
took too long , mafia
This really strikes me as a comment comming from someone who is actively trying to figure out the game
+ Show Spoiler +
I have repeated myself over and over against the same types of argument.
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On January 09 2015 06:22 KelsierSC wrote:
geript flipping town means that the two wagons on d1 were both town so why does mafia need to late switch onto bats in that position?
Ah, right. That one. While I agree that this is making him look slightly townie, I don't think this is such a strong point in his favour. Its not IMPOSSIBLE for scum to make such a move, its just slightly more unlikely.
If you add up all stuff Damdred has done the scummy stuff heavily overweights the townie stuff.
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On January 09 2015 06:29 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 06:26 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 09 2015 06:20 KelsierSC wrote:
took too long , mafia This really strikes me as a comment comming from someone who is actively trying to figure out the game + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoethxOp5Kg I have repeated myself over and over against the same types of argument. well like I don't really think I can say more except I disagree with you. I have presented scummy things about you, so has dam. you will of course disagree with them but I haven't intended to misinterpret you or lied about what you said it is just how I read the game. I will reevaluate the game again after the night kills but for right now I think you are mafia.
- Kel says uses argument x as to why lazermonkey is scum
- Lazermonkey makes several posts explain why argument x is in fact not a good argument
- Kel says "well like I don't really think I can say more except I disagree with you."
- ???
- PROFIT
maybe you could, ehem, try to refute my arguments if you still think I'm scum? Or reevaluate your read if you don't? Just a thought I had. But don't listen to me, I'm obviously scum.
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Okay, my grammar fucked up more than it normally does :D
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Took too long, mafia. HURR DURR
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On January 09 2015 06:57 KelsierSC wrote:
@LM I don't see where you refuted my arguments tbh and you said my points are "BS" but then you don't even tell me which ones so I can't really discuss things with you.
You also didn't tell me who the cop is when I asked you.
The cop things is a great example of a BS point that I refuted and that you never bothered to comment on my arguments where I refuse it. Do you honestly think there is no town motivation at all for playing the way I did?
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On January 09 2015 07:06 KelsierSC wrote:
well you didn't tell me who you think is cop so i'm waiting till you do that
Ah, I see. The good ol' "Lazermonkey is scum for not playing the game the way I want it to be played"-argument! Never fails to impress.
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On January 09 2015 07:09 IAmRobik wrote:
WAIT, WTF, JAT WAS A MILLER?
Does that change anything...? o.O
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On January 09 2015 07:11 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 07:09 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 09 2015 07:06 KelsierSC wrote:
well you didn't tell me who you think is cop so i'm waiting till you do that Ah, I see. The good ol' "Lazermonkey is scum for not playing the game the way I want it to be played"-argument! Never fails to impress. LM I am just asking you a simple question
Yes, and I will not answer your question. I already said that!
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On January 09 2015 07:14 Vivax wrote:
LM this is important please tell us who you think is more likely cop of ritoky and Robik, there's really no town motivation in not trying to figure that out.
Its not like I'm not trying to figure it out though...
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On January 09 2015 08:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Lazer could you address Damdred's case? Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 02:49 Damdred wrote:
I think Lazer is scum, here is my case repeated on him
Day 1 he is guilty of the same things he goes hard after chy because of thread sentiment. He moves his target around using thread sentimen
He misrepresents things constantly in the thread and back tracks constantly
D2 he hard defends a push to lynch Superbia (known mafia now)
He states d3 that he thinks ritoky is the cop and won't lycn an un cc'd cop but his vote is on him anyway
He states during the day that Super looks bad but shouldn't be the lynch.
Right before he leaves he parks his vote on Superbia, with his main scum read whos been vocal about wanting a super bia lynch.
I think his vote looks more like a bus and hes mafia to me.
I've adressed all points allready I think but I'll try to summarize very fast.
- Its nice that I, in the first sentence, am attacked for being tunnely and in the next am accused of moving my target around. I agree with that my push against Chyz was stupid but I fail to see how it is indicative of me being scum.
- I misrepresennt things all the time. Take this for what you want. If you really want to push this point read some of my other games I guess. English is not my mother tongue so sometimes I just suck a bit a understanding stuff in the thread. TBH I'd say scum is more likely NOT to misrepresent things, but yhea, I'm a bit biased here : D.
- I agree (that me defending Superbia in favour of a geript lynch that is) this makes me look scummy as shit. All I can say is that townies sometimes are wrong.
- I don't understand this argument? Its true I kept my vote on ritoky for a while. But what matters is where it ends up, no? I was very clear about that I wanted to not lynch ritoky if he wasn't counterclaimed.
- Yes, I did say Super looked bad. I never said I was super hard against his lynch. Just that I thought Ritoky was a better lynch.
- I have answered this 1000 times. My vote swap is 100% justified if you just read my filter.
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The reason I didn't feel like saying who the cop was, was because I highly suspected Robik to be the real cop. Everyone agreing that Robik was the cop would just insure his death so I thought that there might be a possibility of Robik surviving for one more day if I just didn't say anything.
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Okay, I am really convinced that Vivax is town with those posts. No way would he swap votes to ritoky in that position. This argument obviously doesn't hold if you think I'm scum but w/e.
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On January 09 2015 22:20 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 22:07 Lazermonkey wrote:
Okay, I am really convinced that Vivax is town with those posts. No way would he swap votes to ritoky in that position. This argument obviously doesn't hold if you think I'm scum but w/e. Thats nice and dandy but who do you think is scum besides ritoky at this point? You can also say you didn't read and think about it yet that's fine with me too I gotta do that myself, the D3 rereading stuff. I've only reread TheChyz's entry post today and found it quite interesting now that ritoky flipped, but then I sort of stopped, gonna do that in my time. Can you take a look at that?
Haven't read too much yet, and since we are lynching ritoky today I don't feel like I'm in a massive hurry.
I am actually having doubts about Damdred. He was attacking Superbia way more than I remember him to be. Granted, bussing is a thing but going that hard core buss when there was two clear town counter wagons seems a bit unlikely.
There are too many people I think look kinda meh at this point.
Palmar, marv, GB I haven't read very much yet. But neither palmar nor mar have been doing any big plays yet nor are they shot and that is after 5 possible NKs. I feel Palmar is more likely scum though between these two though. GB I don't have a clue about yet but he hasn't done anything impressive yet.
Kel I orginally though was very town but I think he is more and more scummy the more time it goes. Its true he was the first one to vote super D3 BUT he wasn't particularly interested in pushing Super and since teh lynch still was between two scum, I don't think it matters too much.
Artanis I really haven't read into either. I don't really remember anything about him though which generally isn't a good thing.
The rest of the players are like 90% chance town.
So the three remaining scum is somewhere in
Kel
Palmar
Marv
GB
Artanis (?)
So now I know that this looks like a massive wall of fluff, and it kinda is. I am genuinely not sure who I think is scum at this point. But, like I said, since we got an extra day I don't think I really am in a super hurry to figure it out yet.
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Orite, didn't comment on Chyz. His last rage quit post, he said that ritoky was scum. Doesn't make any sense what so ever for a scum to rage quite after that kind of post. I'm confident he is town.
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@Artanis, do you mind expand on why my vote felt forced?
I asked both Kel and Damdred why but I think the failed to answer in a satsning way. How would a townie act in my position? There were no other counterwagon but super and I'd rather kill someone who I defended and who my scum read voted for than a uncontested cop.
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